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Anaconda September 15th, 2008 09:29 AM

Re: Concerning luck
 
So is there any comprehensive list when and where does luck have effect?

Edratman September 15th, 2008 11:23 AM

Re: Concerning luck
 
[quote=Endoperez;638425
K mentioned Shrouds and prophethood (two ways to be blessed outside of battlefields) two posts above yours...[/QUOTE]

I see how I was wrong now. The prophet has the bless attributes on the main screen. :doh:

18 months of playing and I never noticed that before.

I just thought they didn't require a bless on the battlefield to have bless bonus.

Lingchih September 17th, 2008 12:11 AM

Re: Concerning luck
 
If you have a shroud on, or are a prophet, and your bless includes twist fate, it will protect against the first seeking arrow. I think just the first one though, could be wrong.

Epaminondas September 17th, 2008 10:09 AM

Re: Concerning luck
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lingchih (Post 638803)
If you have a shroud on, or are a prophet, and your bless includes twist fate, it will protect against the first seeking arrow. I think just the first one though, could be wrong.

Does Twist Fate works against MR-checking spells like Soul Slay, Petrification, etc.?

Zeldor September 17th, 2008 10:39 AM

Re: Concerning luck
 
Edi:

Ethereality too.

chrispedersen September 18th, 2008 02:36 AM

Re: Concerning luck
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Epaminondas (Post 638860)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lingchih (Post 638803)
If you have a shroud on, or are a prophet, and your bless includes twist fate, it will protect against the first seeking arrow. I think just the first one though, could be wrong.

Does Twist Fate works against MR-checking spells like Soul Slay, Petrification, etc.?

I personally think that the bug where prophets twist fate from the bless does not work is still around.

RonD October 7th, 2008 10:40 AM

Re: Concerning luck
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chrispedersen (Post 638991)

I personally think that the bug where prophets twist fate from the bless does not work is still around.

In a game where I have an S9 bless, I sent several mages into battle wearing Shrouds. None of them showed the Twist Fate symbol at any time during the battle, and several of them were damaged or killed by an earthquake in the first round (it was the first thing that could potentially have damaged them).

Epaminondas October 7th, 2008 11:12 AM

Re: Concerning luck
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RonD (Post 643602)
Quote:

Originally Posted by chrispedersen (Post 638991)

I personally think that the bug where prophets twist fate from the bless does not work is still around.

In a game where I have an S9 bless, I sent several mages into battle wearing Shrouds. None of them showed the Twist Fate symbol at any time during the battle, and several of them were damaged or killed by an earthquake in the first round (it was the first thing that could potentially have damaged them).

Hmmm, I tend to always go for the max Astral Bless. Perhaps it ain't as useful then (even more so, given that my mod removes most of the high-level overpowered astral spells like Master Enslave)? :)

RonD October 7th, 2008 01:29 PM

Re: Concerning luck
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RonD (Post 643602)
Quote:

Originally Posted by chrispedersen (Post 638991)

I personally think that the bug where prophets twist fate from the bless does not work is still around.

In a game where I have an S9 bless, I sent several mages into battle wearing Shrouds. None of them showed the Twist Fate symbol at any time during the battle, and several of them were damaged or killed by an earthquake in the first round (it was the first thing that could potentially have damaged them).

Oops - hang on. It is a bit more complicated. This is an SP game where I'm toying around with strategies, so I had the game folder backed up and could replay things.

Originally, I had equipped the mages with the shroud in the same turn that I ordered them to attack the next province. I looked at one of the survivors, and now he *did* have the shamrock Twist Fate icon (even out of battle, so one would expect it to work on Seeking Arrow). I sent him off alone vs some PD, and the Twist Fate worked normally.

So I went back to the previous turn, and instead of ordering the army to attack in the same turn in which I put the Shrouds on the mages, I had them sit one turn. The mages then got the icon for the start of the next turn. I ordered the army off to attack, and the Twist Fate worked correctly.

So there is a lag of one turn. A commander only gets the benefit of the Shroud starting the turn after it is equipped. I haven't checked, but I'll bet this is not specific to the S9 bless.

JimMorrison October 7th, 2008 05:06 PM

Re: Concerning luck
 
I've used Shrouds quite a bit, I would bet that it actually IS isolated to the Twist Fate effect.

The difference, is that the other blesses only affect stats, which are completely dynamic throughout the turn because of gear changes.

The Twist Fate blessing however, gets only 1 "charge", and it's likely that since there are generally very few units who are blessed outside of combat, that there is just 1 universal check during turn resolution - since it has to be applied as a spell effect, not a stat increase.

Anyways I can tell you with all certainty that every time I've used a Shroud, all other bless effects showed up immediately.


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