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Heehee. Great list.

Altho, admittedly that IS a list of the type of items that some people do take offense to.
I have no problem with the idea that the person who is creating the game might list any or all of those as not-allowed as long as its done clearly and publicly before people join the game so people can agree and join, or not.
Which is kindof the purpose here.

(on the other hand if someone wanted to ban them all then I would again suggest a perfectly balanced contest where exactly duplicated nations are used)

Re: Trading commanders, exploit or not?
 

@ Zeldor: right if you are doing stuff like attacking your ally to suicide your mages, that's one thing, but using LAD in a battle against an opponent (even you do so with hopes of getting some undead mage-priest reanimators) is another.

@ Baalz: Could you explain the "sneak, attack, sneak, attack to avoid almost any retaliation?" exploit?

Re: Trading commanders, exploit or not?
 

One of my favorite tactics. Nations which have full armies of stealth ability (leader, infantry, archer, mage, priest, possibly mounted) doing guerilla tactics. Sneak behind front lines, take a province, sneak out, move two or three provinces before attacking again. Buy PD there, recruit units, drive taxes to 200. Force the enemy to buy heavily into PD or maintain large armies farther behind his lines than he had planned to. Particularly useful when combined with an ally who is doing the standard action such as marching a large army toward them.

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If you sneak away from a province you won't be hit by any rituals or teleporting thugs except for Mind Hunt. At least that's how I've heard it.

Re: Trading commanders, exploit or not?
 

This is sort of fundamental to how game logic currently works, and arguably just how combat works. I don't consider it an exploit.

Definitely an exploit. Item effects should end when the item is removed.

Uh, what? That's just how death bless works? Is it an exploit to use shrouds + N4 bless to stop diseased commanders from dying?

That's how sneak works... There are plenty of forms of retaliation that still work (eg, mindhunt, earth attack).

I'm not sure I can consider that an exploit. Its just part of the existing game logic and arguably WAD.

Seemingly WAD. No way to really enforce since there are other reasons to send a force in the magic phase.

I'm not even sure what this means. Globals just work the turn they go up. You can't change that - how can you exploit it?

Agree that its an exploit.

Lol what? Diplomatic rewards are usually commensurate with diplomatic effort - that's true whether you spend all day on IRC or sending PMs... IRC is just less annoying.

Not an exploit, its interesting strategically and WAD. Consider horror mark and call horror? How else would you have it work? Predictable spell-casting order is a feature, not an exploit.

Well, its 50% top down or bottom up the unit ID list, so I'm not sure how exactly you exploit this unless you feel like wasting gems to cast something twice to ensure a third spell happens after one of them?

How is this an exploit? Its a basic part of diplomacy.

I imagine its WAD, especially since there's one assassin who seems to be designed to do just that. (Mujina).

This is definitely a balancing feature. Don't kill so many units with your SC pretender already =p

Diplomatic advantage? not an exploit.

... Diplomacy? Also, payment for services rendered =)

What if you use scorched earth just to spite your killer?

No way to control this? Your pans make them whether you want them or not... Is also a valid way to build a defense force for if/when your walls are cracked.

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No, no, no, no of course not, that's the whole POINT of stealth, yes, yes, unavoidable so no, yes, no, no, no, no, no, your number is wrong and no since that's the only real niche the spell has, no, no, depends on the type of metagame, no.

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Squirrel, I think thats exactly the point. LADing your priests is arguably WAD, as is sickle farming, etc.

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I think that was the point. Some of these will be considered just part of the game. And others would be considered exploits. Its all a sliding scale of how much or how little it is. Where on the scale is your "cross the line" mark?

But, for a collection of different sets of "game rules" that people can point to we would first need a list of acceptable/not items that cover the full range from gentlemans game of fun to cutthroat no-holds-barred. This is one of the most complete lists Ive seen.

Before deliberating it, can we expand on it? Does anyone have any others that have ever been "declared uncool tactics that should not be allowed"? whether you agreed or not. Just the fact that it made someone whine is enough.

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@Maerlande: It's not about the way you acquire the undead priests, it's about what you do with them afterwards. There's the other problem about not paying upkeep, but that's a significantly lesser issue than reanimating.

@Baazl: Nothing on that list is an exploit. Some things are examples of bad sportsmanship, but nothing else. Out of curiosity, are there actually any cursed items that you can exploit by suiciding commanders?

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Lync ammies I know