Re: M4 Carbine Range question
 

If all you play are campaigns and you keep your core units with at least one man healthy by the end of their battle and you don't have to fully replace units then yes YOU WILL see them get better over time and that will be reflected on how well they engage targets as they gain battle experience no matter if its infantry or a tank crew

Re: M4 Carbine Range question
 

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UPDATE...but now it and all the others in the various OOB's are 6 and the M4A1 is 7 and for purposes of the game the "M4" is assumed to use Iron sights but the "A1" is assumed to use optics. The M4 should have been upgraded to 6 range when the M4A1 Carbine was upgraded to 7 range but to put this in perspective the weapon used in the game by most US units for the current time period is the M16A4/M4 ACOG RIFLE which has a range of 9 hexes. The M4 "Carbine" is what's used by Mortar crews, TOW teams, and forward observers and in some few cases, scout teams in the game but I think there is a semantics issue here.

The current M4 rifle is generally referred to as a "carbine" rather than "assault rifle" ( for reasons I think have more to do with political correctness ) but what most US troops use in the game is the "rifle" version with the longer range and optics.

The "M4 Carbine" was put into the first MBT OOB with a 4 range and I am assuming since I was not the guy who built the original OOB thought that this "carbine" version was a short-barreled firearm not unlike the Russian AKS-74U (like the M4 COMMANDO with an 11.5" barrel) which would explain the similar range and why it was only generally issued to support or HQ units in the game.

Re: M4 Carbine Range question
 

M4 is the 3 round burst rifle/carbine, the M4A1 is the one that goes back to the M16 and M16A1 with full auto in place of 3 round burst.

Second, the M4 with Optics is the standard-issue RIFLE for ALL US Army units, with the expectation of cooks in some units. So everyone from infantry to admin has in M4 or M4A1 in combat.

Third, the shorter ranged Carbines are things like CAR-15 and M4 Commando, those aren't issued to line or support units, those are SPEC OPS toys.

Re: M4 Carbine Range question
 

And the standard issue weapon for rifle teams in the USA OOB is the M16A4 / M4 ACOG - weapon #9, you know, the one with 9 hexes range, extra acc etc.

The other M4s are used by weapon teams etc and a hex or so diference means diddly-squat in that use case since if they are firing thier small arms at an opponent then they are just about to die...

and compare with:
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So the non-acog M4 is used by odds and sods, and some rangers have it in the pre Acog version, And those teams post the intoduction of ACOGs wont be getting duplicates with an ACOG post the intro date - because the USA OOB is full up, with no reason to waste any feee slot on duplicated weapon teams with a weapon that really is of no consequence for things that are only firing small arms because they are deep in the brown smelly stuff

(The search function is in the database search section of Mobhack, under the weapons tab, "find Weapons Users" sub-tab)

Re: M4 Carbine Range question
 

Then why not switch them to ACOG version and remove the other M4 Clones?

Re: M4 Carbine Range question
 

But what's most troops use in the game is the M4 ACOG with a range of 9 and not the "M4 Carbine"

All I'm doing is trying to explain perhaps why that was put in as it was nearly 20 years ago and point out that in the game what the line troops use is not the short-ranged carbine version but the longer-ranged " rifle" version

Re: M4 Carbine Range question
 

Why switch WHICH "thems"
Weapon 8 is the Iron sight M16
weapon 9 is the ACOG M16/M4 rifle

and those are the two main rifles used my US troops in the game

For the limited purposes of the game the M4A1 is an ACOG version and it's used by three(3) units
Do you know about the "find weapon users" in the database in MOBHack ?

Re: M4 Carbine Range question
 

There is NO difference between the M4 or M4A1 and the item in slot 9. An M4 Carbine or Rifle is still shooting the same distance as far as the US Army wants and the adding of optics means that 300 to 500-meter long-range shot might get a better chance of hitting, but the 275 and below will be hits.

I really think whoever did up the US Army OOB confused the M4 Carbine with things like the CAR-15 which is a short range CQB carbine.

The M4s issued without optics to soldiers is the same one that issued with optics, the weapon didn't change, just one is using iron sights and the other has an ACOG or M68 Red Dot CQB sight. That's it. Which has been my whole point all along.

We have three weapons that are the same thing with three different ranges. The M4 the game claims the mortar teams have should be the same weapon that the infantry units have. Again I am talking from real-world experience and point of fact even the Guard and Reserve units have now converted over to the M4 and M4AL, so really the M16 series is going away as foreign aid.

Re: M4 Carbine Range question
 

Yes, I know about the feature.

Re: M4 Carbine Range question
 

Which is exactly what I pointed out in an earlier post.

The point is IN THE GAME most units already use the weapon you think they should use and these other short ranged ones were ( I suspect ) thought to be as you say the like the CAR-15 so what we could do is give weapon 9 to everyone using 6 and 10 and everything would be as you think it should be ?