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Phoenix-D January 1st, 2003 08:53 AM

Re: K-Editor v1.12
 
I seem to remeber this having a manual or read-me file explaining how it works once upon a time. My current Version doesn't have one. Did it, or am I just loosing it (again)?

Phoenix-D

Krsqk January 3rd, 2003 04:24 AM

Re: K-Editor v1.12
 
Thanks for the kind words. They are a big incentive to continue working on this.

As for the Readme.txt, there was one with the old Python-created Version 0.75; I didn't update it for inclusion with the VB6 Versions (v1.0 and up). That was my project Last night/this morning, and here's the new file. I think it's pretty understandable, but it is in a technical manual sort of writing style. If you still have questions, do the email/PM thing. Here's the link:

Readme.txt for K-Editor v1.12.

I'll get on uploading v1.12 after I fix a couple of minor bugs I found Last night.

[ January 03, 2003, 02:25: Message edited by: Krsqk ]

Krsqk January 3rd, 2003 05:31 AM

Re: K-Editor v1.12
 
Ok, Version 1.12 is officially posted. See my sig for the links. Especially, please let me know what you think of the Readme.txt file--if it can be made any clearer, I would like to do so. Maybe I'll just have to learn about making .HLP files.

I'm considering some changes to the interface, based on Geo's comments. I'd like to make it more intuitive and user-friendly, while still keeping the same features. I'm considering going with a wizard-type interface--step by step through component creation. This would inevitably mean I'd have to add some features--importing TechAreas.txt, creating facilities, maybe vehicle types, etc.--but this would also mean increasing the size of the executable by quite a bit. The question to you is whether it's worth it. I don't plan on getting into importing Components.txt, or anything like that, but it seems a simple interface and some more editing (as opposed to creating) abilities are preferred by at least a few people. Feedback?

Skulky January 3rd, 2003 11:28 PM

Re: K-Editor v1.12
 
2 things.

first thing.

the first, i got this error when i tried to run the most recent Version
Quote:

Failed to load control 'SSTab' from Tabctl32.ocx. Your Version of Tabctl32.ocs may be outdated. Make sure you are using the Version of the control that was provided with your application.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not quite sure what that means, i downloaded the one listed in your sig by the way.

second thing.

Is there a tech tree editor somewhere? Where i could make up racials and stuff easier? If not, any suggestions as to how one should go about a total conVersion of the tech tree, and resulting changes to components.

thanks

Phoenix-D January 3rd, 2003 11:47 PM

Re: K-Editor v1.12
 
I'll check the new Version out and let you know what I think. If it does tech-grid components well, it'll be a real time-saver. Those are extremely tedious to do by hand..

Phoenix-D

DavidG January 4th, 2003 12:24 AM

Re: K-Editor v1.12
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Phoenix-D:
I'll check the new Version out and let you know what I think. If it does tech-grid components well, it'll be a real time-saver. Those are extremely tedious to do by hand..

Phoenix-D

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Can you explain what you mean by a "tech-grid component"?

[ January 03, 2003, 23:53: Message edited by: DavidG ]

Krsqk January 4th, 2003 06:02 AM

Re: K-Editor v1.12
 
Sometimes called a dimensional component. Take each tech requirement, and it's one dimension to the matrix. Two requirements generates a "square" component, three requirements generates a "cube" component, etc. This would be useful, for example, to create missiles with separate tech levels which affect range, damage, and speed. Here's a sample 2-dimensional component with "sides" of "size" 3; the numbers represent tech levels.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">Damage: 1 2 3
Range:
1 1/1 | 1/2 | 1/3
2 2/1 | 2/2 | 2/3
3 3/1 | 3/2 | 3/3</pre><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Notice that instead of 3 component levels, there are nine. With a three dimensional component, there would be 27:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">Speed: 1 || 2 || 3
1/1/1 | 1/1/2 | 1/1/3 || 2/1/1 | 2/1/2 | 2/1/3 || 3/1/1 | 3/1/2 | 3/1/3
1/2/1 | 1/2/2 | 1/2/3 || 2/2/1 | 2/2/2 | 2/2/3 || 3/2/1 | 3/2/2 | 3/2/3
1/3/1 | 1/3/2 | 1/3/3 || 2/3/1 | 2/3/2 | 2/3/3 || 3/3/1 | 3/3/2 | 3/3/3
|| ||</pre><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">As you can probably imagine, this gets very cumbersome to hand-code, as well as being very error-prone. These issues grow exponentially with every additional dimension or "size" increase.

[ January 04, 2003, 04:42: Message edited by: Krsqk ]

Krsqk January 5th, 2003 05:34 AM

Re: K-Editor v1.12
 
Bump...was that a clear explanation?

Phoenix-D January 12th, 2003 02:16 AM

Re: K-Editor v1.12
 
Hmm. Having a bit of a problem making a tech-grid component.

Everything is working decently, if not quite how I expected..but the "range at base damage" entry isn't. No matter what I do with that field, the range of the component never changes.

Phoenix-D

DavidG January 12th, 2003 02:49 AM

Re: K-Editor v1.12
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Krsqk:
Bump...was that a clear explanation?
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Still a bit fuzzy (at least with the 3d one) but I think I get the general idea. Thanks.

< Ediot > OK tried your program again after actually reading the readme file so I get it now. Pretty cool!

[ January 12, 2003, 01:05: Message edited by: DavidG ]


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