Re: New Strategy: Drones with Subverters !
 

bah, subverters are just too damn powerful... they ain't exactly expensive to research, and they beat any other 'normal' weapon

fighters are useless in the late game due to ppb's and pd, and ship hull's and phased shields and large/heavy mount weapons are the true 'power'...

being able to hold off someone who has researched 4 times more pure research than you just cuz you have subverters is just wrong... which other special tech gives you that?

imho, phased shields should block virus and subverters... at least then you can defend

Re: New Strategy: Drones with Subverters !
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not in the next patch (I think somebody said that already).

And how does that combo win everything? Subverters and Computer Viruses only have ranges of 5 and 6, respectively. Many powerful conventional weapons (WMG, CSM, APB) can beat them in a flash.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">lol, conventional weapons beat them in a flash, sure, if both people set to max range...

you know as well as i do that almost all experienced players in pbw games use solar sails and so ships are fast enough to close the distance difference without a problem, killing your conventional weapon = greater range theory

Re: New Strategy: Drones with Subverters !
 

"you know as well as i do that almost all experienced players in pbw games use solar sails and so ships are fast enough to close the distance difference without a problem, killing your conventional weapon = greater range theory"

No, it doesn't. Even if both ships are the same speed, the other player is still going to get shots in before you can close the distance (i.e. when they run up against the combat boundry).

Phoenix-D

Re: New Strategy: Drones with Subverters !
 

lol, yeah, but again i say, the person using subverters will have point blank set, if they are smart, and considering that ship movement is like usually 5+ per combat turn, your range advantage of 2 hexes will mean nothing...

not to mention that max range usually is always super high miss % with ecm3 + training...
so most won't use it anyway in 'advanced' pbw games

(btw geo, fix pbw already lol, i'm going nuts lurking here just cuz i can't play http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif )

Re: New Strategy: Drones with Subverters !
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So if everyone is using a solar sail and you are set to max weapons range and the AS/RT/CV combo player has a shorter range what the hell does it matter? There are ways to overcome it.....

Re: New Strategy: Drones with Subverters !
 

[/qb][/quote]So if everyone is using a solar sail and you are set to max weapons range and the AS/RT/CV combo player has a shorter range what the hell does it matter? There are ways to overcome it.....[/QB][/quote]

please give me a way? ( one that is reasonable and plausible?;p )

Re: New Strategy: Drones with Subverters !
 

fighters are faster. drones are faster. longer range weapons, or missiles. AS has less of a chance of working at longer ranges. in the new patch, MCs will prevent subVersions, even when destroyed...

Re: New Strategy: Drones with Subverters !
 

Well the EASIEST way to do this(combat simming this combo and different counters for it on max tech start for the Last hour) that I can find is Talisman+Heavy Mount(insert weapon with range of 7 or more) set to max range while using solar sail.

Re: New Strategy: Drones with Subverters !
 

lol, puke, you know that fighters in the late game are just eaten up... totally useless against a max tech game...

and enigma, the talisman is the other unbalanced component i think that exists in se4... try not to use it? how good are long range weapons at max range with only combat sensor 3 + experience against a destroyer with ecm3 + stealth armor3 + experience? will you ever even hit at max range? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

anyway, my idea is make both virus and subverter work ONLY after phased shields are down ... whats wrong with that?

heck, i'd make them even not work on regular shields and armor too maybe... whynot? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif at least then the psychic race will need to research shield depleting weapons etc like the rest of the galaxy http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[ January 03, 2003, 20:45: Message edited by: Cirvol ]

Re: New Strategy: Drones with Subverters !
 

how many battles are just one on one? who really has the range advantage if one person spent the game researching subverters and viruses, and the other spent it building up an industrial base and reasearching weapons? these areguements are silly.

you can only retreat so far, if you keep backing up to max range, you will eventually hit the wall. and if you dont hit the first time with those subverters, you are **** outa luck. come on guys, subverters are neat, but not overpowerwed. this has all been addressed in other threads.

putting them on drones is a good idea, but its not all that effective. like most drone strategies, it depends entirely on your ability to stockpile the drones in peacetime. and with all the ways to abuse drone launch (triggering them to launch with feigned attacks) its hard to make work. just like all drone attacks. but they do have their time and place.

but please, keep on thinking that there is only one way to win.