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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">HEY! I suffor from that. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Your right! All the faith based initiative stuff coming from W. has nothing to do with religion.

Actually libertarians are for less government -Republicans are for less Social Programs - the Patriot Act (as an example) is a Republican initiative and that certainly doesn't mean less govt.

Also Teddy Roosevelt was an environmentalist why do Republicans want to trash the environment?

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I am not overjoyed about a War, and I live in the US. Alot of people here are against it. No matter what you hear in the press. Of course It is propaganda, stirring the pot, working the population into a fever. Hollywood and the news industry have traditionally supported their host governments in these kinds of crisis. This is not vietnam type crisis. this is the kind of crap that can start world wars. Although I doubt it will lead to that. Unless North Korea blows...

As for Nato, I believe its time is done. I think this is something thats been coming for sometime. Bosnia was really the beginning of the end for the NATO alliance.

As for Iraq, its well known that France, Germany and Russia have large investments in Iraq. I can understand their reluctance to vote to go to war. It will cost them billions.
However, history repeats itself quite often and We all learned a hard lesson in WWII about appeasement. Hilter did not start as a powerhouse. He grew to that state through appeasment. Beyond the propaganda we see today, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein is a bad man who has very willingly killed thousands over his 25+ year reign. He took over the country and publicly -ON TV took out his opposition, machined gunned them in the Tv Studio. He has lead Iraq into several wars and cost them alot in young lives. Practically a whole generation was lost in the Iran / Iraq war.

Saddam is used to being in control and for the Last 12 years he has been pushed around, he has alot of reasons to hate the west. He's been pinned by the neck to the table for 12 years and faced daily bombings, so I can see where the USA and UK are coming from when they get nervous about Weapons of Mass Destruction in his hands and possibilities of connecting up with terrorism.
Lets face it, the Iraq government claims to not have the weapons, but it does, of course it does. They used thousands of shells in the Iran /Iraq war. Those weapons were effective enough to bring them both to the peace table. Once the genie is out of the bottle in a country - it doesnt go back in. We all know that. It is interesting to note that Iraq quietly but purposely, instructed their troops to use chemical weapons if the US attacks, and they have done nothing to publically deny these news stories. I am sure Saddam watches CNN. Thats where they got alot of intel in the gulf war. Iraq is hedging their bets that they may scare off the invasion - The whole purpose of pursuing these types of weapons - its a deterent. However in this case I think they have miscalculated.

I dont think any of the countries involved in this discussion deserve bashing, maybe some of the fruit cakes that run them - sure... But I dont think any less of ANY French or German national just because he doesnt agree with the President of the USA. Most of us dont agree with him either...

Peace People..

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Nope, not gonna say that after all. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[ February 13, 2003, 07:06: Message edited by: Grandpa Kim ]

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Hmm, I thought being a Christian was just believing that you believed in a higher power a.k.a whatever the name is for God in their religion.

So now there is a religious class called Christian like Baptist, Catholic, etc?

Good GOD, who cares. You either believe or not. We will all find out in the end and if anyone can come back and tell us please do!!!!!

Hopefully this post will bring peace to the world.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">But would we believe him/her?

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Because it pays too. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[ February 13, 2003, 08:31: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">They don't. No one wants to trash the environment (well, nearly noone).

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Actually, Libertarians are for no government, Republicans are for less government, not just social porgrams, Democrats are for more government at every turn.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No, that is being religious. Being Christian means that you believe in the one God (and a very specific one), and that you accept the divinity of Jesus Christ. The vast majority of people in this world are religious and by no means Christian.

[ February 13, 2003, 11:00: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That would be an anarchist, wouldn't it? I would say that a libertarian wants *some* government, just not much.

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Oh America, great land of freedom and holy protector of the free world. Save us!
We've been good boys, we've always followed you advice, we allowed you to buy each and everyone of our companies and banks until nothing remained of our own, and we never complained. Why when that advice lead us into the worst economic crisis of our history you denied us your help. Of course we've made many mistakes of our own, but your impossible demands don't help.

As you can see anti-american feeling are not strange around here.

Now in this Iraq crisis we're sending humanitarian help.
We're still on the verge of needing humanitarian help ourselves.
We have children starving to death on the streets here on the country that produces more food per capita in the world!
But no, cleaning up the mess made by the great god-state is the priority.

If the US needs to find mass destruction weapons as an excuse (they can do whatever they want without excuse anyway), they will find them whether they exist or not.

Saying the word freedom in every sentence of any speech does not mean you're supporting freedom.

Killing millions only to keep control of the oil marked you already dominate is a very noble cause.

Someone said cutting the head of the snake. Most snakes will leave you alone if you don't step on them first, you know.

Is the mega-empire going to show they're mega-evil or mega-benevolent?

(sorry is this sounds too incoherent, I'm not feeling very coherent today)

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The Libertarians I've met are against anything not specifically included in the Constitution for the federal government, and much of that is extended to the state governments, too. They feel the government shouldn't be involved in any attempt to protect its citizens from themselves/each other (i.e., drivers licenses, building codes, etc.).

I greatly prefer personal responsibility to government responsibility, but some issues (such as required testing to get a driver's license) are the exception to the rule. Of course, with pop culture de-emphasizing personal responsibility (IOW, pushing victimhood), government is filling in the gaps.