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Cyrien May 9th, 2003 05:58 AM
Re: Gas planets vs rock planets???
 
Yes. I have to admit that for all my earlier reasons for ice/none roleplay is probably the biggest. My favorite race is the Alteri/Eltyri/Altyri/etc... and no matter what else I experiment with them they are always ice/none. It's just part of their evolution and the fundamental concept. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Maybe someday I will make an AI for them and see if anyone wants to make a shipset for them. Could be fun. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

narf poit chez BOOM May 9th, 2003 07:04 AM
Re: Gas planets vs rock planets???
 
someone should be able to make a little program to count all the planet types. secttype.txt, i think i mean.

[ May 09, 2003, 06:05: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

Fyron May 9th, 2003 07:30 AM
Re: Gas planets vs rock planets???
 
You need to balance that against the entries in SystemType.txt too, or else you will get skewed results.

Smolf May 9th, 2003 08:22 AM
Re: Gas planets vs rock planets???
 
Well, it seems like I have underestimated the value of Ice plantes. Maybe I should grab my skies and head for new territory? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

It would be pretty cool if somebody could make a little program which count the number of planettypes. That would answer the (apparently) long standing question whether there are fewer ice than rock planets.

But I still prefer gas planets. They have a huge storage capacity and are perfect for stacking large amounts of troops and mines. But thats just my opinion.

Ruatha May 9th, 2003 08:27 AM
Re: Gas planets vs rock planets???
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Andrés Lescano:
Ok I revised again my graphic and realized of the error I had made when counting moons.
Here you have it, more than half of the tiny planets are none atmosphere.

To answer the topic question, I made some calculations by multipliying the number of each size of planet by the number of facilities it gives and adding them.
Here are my conclussions:

Without Domes:
Methane-Ice 477.33 facilities (4.69%)
Oxygen/Hydrogen/C Dioxide-Ice 500.44 facilities (4.92%)
None-Ice 619.11 facilities (6.09%)
Oxygen/Hydrogen/C Dioxide - Rock 800.89 facilities (7.88%)
Methane-Rock 824 facilities (8.10%)
Oxygen/Hydrogen/C Dioxide/Methane - Gas Giant 854.22 facilities (8.40%)
None-Rock 928.67 facilities (9.13%)

Considering domes:
Methane-Ice 901.42 facilities (5.12%)
Oxygen/Hydrogen/C Dioxide-Ice 919.91 (5.22%)
None-Ice 1014.8 facilities (5.76%)
Oxygen/Hydrogen/C Dioxide/Methane - Gas Giant 1366.8 facilities (7.76%)
Oxygen/Hydrogen/C Dioxide - Rock 1471.8 facilities (8.35%)
Methane-Rock 1490.3 facilities (8.46%)
None-Rock 1574 facilities (8.93%)

The difference between Methane and other atmospheres is that they have 1 more small-rock and one less small-ice planet. Maybe a bug in sectorabilities.txt, it gives a slight advantage to methane-rock and a slight dissadvantage to methane-ice.

Advantage of rock-none is compensated by the fact that they'll have less non-domed planets when researching extra colonization techs (no none-gas giants), and that they will not be able to use atmospheric mod plants on gas giants for the same reason.

Note that gas giants are comparatively better if we don't consider domes.
This advantage is compensated by the comparatively lower number of domed facilities in large and huge planets.
Difference between atmospheres and none is also acentuated (still putting rock-none in first place above gas giants), since there will be no domed moons that make up a good part of the domed space.

So in conclusion:
The best combination in the early game is allways rock-none. That advantage goes away once extra colonization techs and atmosphere converters come into play.
Then best ones are rock and then gas if domes are allowed (as usual), if not gas and then rock.
Ice planets are always a large dissadvantage, none-ice is better than other-ice.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Don't answer everything but this was a darned good post, high quality!

[ May 09, 2003, 07:29: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

Taera May 9th, 2003 08:34 AM
Re: Gas planets vs rock planets???
 
smolf - i say then stick to GG, after all its all playstyle http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

rdouglass May 9th, 2003 06:59 PM
Re: Gas planets vs rock planets???
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Taera:
i personally prefer ice planets. one reason is role-play, another is i just like the idea of ice planets.

i have to say though, ive been playing with ice-methane race (THE rarest combo) and then i went for rock/methane... heh, that was a huge difference

they're all good. each have their pros and cons, just like anything in SE

thats why we play this game eh? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I like the methane/ice combo as well - I like to do everything I can (within reason of course) to give the AI some help. Also, I guess I just have developed a strange attraction to frozen flatulence.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Also cool for RP....

JLS May 9th, 2003 08:06 PM
Re: Gas planets vs rock planets???
 
[quote]Originally posted by Ruatha:
Quote:
Originally posted by Andrés Lescano:
[qb]Ok I revised again my graphic and realized of the error I had made when counting moons.
Here you have it, more than half of the tiny planets are none atmosphere.

To answer the topic question, I made some calculations by multipliying the number of each size of planet by the number of facilities it gives and adding them.
Here are my conclussions:
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thank you, Ruatha. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

I saved this for my archives.
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[ May 09, 2003, 19:08: Message edited by: JLS ]


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