Re: MP Game - \"Throne Of Heavens\", veterans and e
 

ok we tried to start it, but are having some technical problem :P

probably a little error on mose's server, as the other new game there is experiencing the same problem. until then, major still has time to upload his pretender http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Re: MP Game - \"Throne Of Heavens\", veterans and e
 

Actually, he doesn't. The game is currently stopped.

Re: MP Game - \"Throne Of Heavens\", veterans and e
 

yea...
because the forum change here i guess (and ty i like this setup better) i was never notified about the server change till right now, and i hadnt seen storm in IRC when i have been there oh wellz
glhf to all!

Re: MP Game - \"Throne Of Heavens\", veterans and experienced players only (full)
 

The game have beed restarted and open once again. But there seem to eb a problem on Mose's server. I'll try to "start" it again, and if it fail, I'll pst a thread about it on the baord. Arcahe seem to indicated that other new games were having similar problems lately. So hopefully Mose will take care of it soon. Meanwhile if Major still want to play, he can upolod his pretnder while it is still open.

Re: MP Game - \"Throne Of Heavens\", veterans and experienced players only (full)
 

All right guys.

There are good news and there are bad news.

The good news are that the lost sheap Major has rejoined the flock. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif So there are 10 of us once again.

The bad news is that depite trying several things I still can not make the bloody game start. [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] The message to Mose have been sent, and I have started the new thread, so hopefully we will start this game very soon. Stay tuned.

Re: MP Game - \"Throne Of Heavens\", veterans and experienced players only (full)
 

*Drums*

All right, after all these troubles the battered ship of our game has successefuly reached the safe harbor of Mose's server. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif With Mose's kind assistance, the game now is officaly started, we are on turn 1, 24H quickhost.

Good luck!

Re: MP Game - \"Throne Of Heavens\", veterans and e
 

i'm getting Nagotted:

Myloadmalloc: can't open files .../cradlez14.tga

hmm solved it. remamed my own .map and .tga cradlez14, and changed the line in the .map file...

Re: MP Game - \"Throne Of Heavens\", veterans and e
 

got the same thing, renamed my files and it worked

Re: MP Game - \"Throne Of Heavens\", veterans and e
 

yah, I redid my turn on another machine and I had to rename my files as well. I notice that half the players still haven't done their turns - I would worry that they tried, had it crash, and figured that things just hadn't been worked out yet.

If they don't check the thread they won't have any clue http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

also, Storm, do you know why there are 5 crowns on the map? are they naturally part of zen's modifications? because no VP are checked on mose under game options. Its not that important, just a bit puzzling http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

edit: sent pm's explaining the need to create a properly named .tga to the 4 laggards. hopefully they check their Messages.

Re: MP Game - \"Throne Of Heavens\", veterans and e
 

All right, 7 hours until the next 2nd turn host.
Everybody submited their turns except Izaqyos.


BTW just so we would have the final list of players handy and easly accessable to everybody, I am going to repost it here:

R'lyeh (Izaqyos
Pangeya (Qunatum)
Abyssia (Cohen)
Marignon (Major)
Machaka (Zapmesiter)
Jotunheim (Catquiet)
Arco (Mark)
Vanheim (Stormbinder)
C'tis (Reverend Zombie)
Mictlan (Archaeolept)

Re: MP Game - \"Throne Of Heavens\", veterans and e
 

In the hypothetical case that Izaqyos (or anyone else) goes AWOL in the next couple of turns, how many consecutive stales should we allow before using the master password?

The turn has run, BTW.

Re: MP Game - \"Throne Of Heavens\", veterans and e
 

that's not the case. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Re: MP Game - \"Throne Of Heavens\", veterans and e
 

excellent.

and why are there VP crowns on the map again?

Re: MP Game - \"Throne Of Heavens\", veterans and e
 

Frankly I have no idea. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif I've seen it happened in some other games before. Just ignore them, we have no VPs in our game.

New turn
 

Turn 6 will host in 3 hours. It looks like Quantum may miss it, unless he will show up soon.

Pangeya is missing
 

Turn 6, and Quantum indeed missed Last turn and looks like he will miss this one as well. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Quantum, are you leaving the game? If so, can you at least tell us so and post "looking for a sub" thread please?

Sheap is willing to become temp sub for Pangeya, until we will find perm player (or even perm sub, if we will not find somebody). But I need to know what are quantum intentions first.

Re: Pangeya is missing
 

im moving back into school tomorrow afternoon

im not sure i will have internet set up when i get there
if someone can temp sub for a while it would be cool http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Re: Pangeya is missing
 

Start a thread in the main forum Major. Only players of our game are reading this thread, and obviously none of us can sub for you.

Re: Pangeya is missing
 

Bump!


2 players seem to be missing missing this turn, with less an hour until hosting time - Zombie and Maltrease.

Considering that the both are in wars, and Zombie just got a stalled turn and had most of his army wiped out, I think I should increase turn length, to give them a chance of sumbiting it, just for this turn.

1 player missing would be ok, but 2 out of only 7 left in the game by now a bit too much IMHO, especially since we had almost none stalled turns by anybody in this game up until now.

Is everybody ok with it?

Regards,
Stormbinder

Re: Pangeya is missing
 

Sure. In fact, I'd vote for more time every turn.

Re: Pangeya is missing
 

yeah true. we should go to 48 hr QH sometime reasonably soon, because the damn game is starting to get complicated http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Zombie\'s army
 

Actually, he could not have saved it anyway http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

But I'm fine with the turn length change.

Re: Zombie\'s army
 

Actually he could if he would scripted it to retreat while making sure there is at least one province to retreat to. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Although it is unlikely that he would.

Re: Zombie\'s army
 

Hi,

I've taken over as Machaka effective immediately. Could anyone who thinks we have (or should have, or might have) diplomatic dealings contact me in-game, via PM or e-mail at marksweston@hotmail.com

Storm, could I ask a favour? I'm control freak enough to want to take over before the next turn processes, and Zap has already submitted a turn for Machaka. But I won't have access to the game for another 7 hours or so. So if the game is on quickhost, could that be switched off for this turn only?

Mark

Re: Zombie\'s army
 

Welcome Mark, or rather welcome back. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif


Sure, I'll do it for you. The quickhost have been swithed off and the timer reseted itself as a result of it.


I would also recomend you to talk to Zap about his current posision, the resourses and tactic of his opponents, and so on. As for diplomatic dealings - you are in war with myself, Marignon and R'leh. You have none-agression treaty with Mictlan. I don't know about your diplomatic relationship with Pangeya, but I think they are good.


Post here when you are done with reevaluating your turn, so I could switch the quickhost back and host the turn.


Regards,
Stormbinder

Re: Zombie\'s army
 

All right, since it is 4 hours past time when the game would host if I would just switch quickhost off upon mark's request, so I have switched it back to quickhost with additinal 10 hours interval since I didn't receive any future communications from Mark, and the game have hosted when Zombie submited his turns few minutes ago.

I am swithing it back to 24h quickhost now, if this is ok with everybody.

Re: Zombie\'s army
 

Sorry, I submitted Last night but forgot to post here. I am now fully on board.

Mark

Re: Zombie\'s army
 

Heh. So it was your turn after all. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif I thought I feel the change of tactic. Good job.


My damned scout somehow managed to attack the province *before* my ghost riders. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

As the result my troops retreating from that scary tantrarian of yours were annihilated. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/fear.gif

I had to spend that (previous) turn bringing my AQ back.

Re: Zombie\'s army
 

Eh? I played this turn.

Re: Zombie\'s army
 

Yeap, you did.

Sorry, I thought you are going to miss it.

Re: Zombie\'s army
 

Nah, he's a teddy-bear really (unless you admit to hating the Teletubbies - for some reason that drives him mad...)

Anyway, credit goes to Zap who built and equipped the guy. I just get to play with him. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

Re: Zombie\'s army
 

Duh!

I have idea where this message from host could probably came from guys. *confused* All my gold is totally accounted for, it is my income minus my maintainence, minus some bad events.


The only possible thing I couls think about as a reason for it, is that this warning may have something to do with me alchemising some of my firegems for the cash Last turn. But I have done it several times before in this game, without any problem.

Or maybe it have something to do with server recently upgrading to 2.14 and me still using 2.12?



In any case I am going to upgrade to 2.14 now, since I was just waiting for Mose and my other MP game to upgrade.


I have posted the description if this event together with message from host in bug thread on the top of 1st page. Of course I also offered to send my turns to devs, and I could aslo send them to any 3rd party if anybody would like me to.


I think everybody on this Boards knows that I hate cheating deeply, and have gone to great lengths to expose it in the past. So recieveing this message from the host this turn in my own game was pretty ironic, but at the same time quite disturbing to me. >;(((


Regards,
Stormbinder

Re: Zombie\'s army
 

There was an issue that the devs raised earlier about blood slaves counts triggering the cheat detection as well, and saying that cheat detection doesn't work for Abysia and Mictlan. I didn't see it fixed in the 2.14 release notes so I wonder if that's fixed as well.

Re: Zombie\'s army
 

I'll keep it in mind Deccan, thank you.

BTW in my case I have found what was the reason for the alarm this turn. It was indeed an alchemy with Stone, just as I suspected.


I am still not sure why it never occured to me before, since I've used Stone in many other MP games, and used it in our game as well several times. (I don't have much use for firegems). But this is clearly it.

Upgrading to 2.14 now as I type it... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif If anybody else in this game still using patches prior to 2.14 I suggest you do it as well. Just pay special attention to items in your one handed commanders before upgrade http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Regards,
Stormbinder

Re: Pangeya is missing
 

I've trigger cheat detection in an SP Mackaka when I was alchemizing the income from many fire fetishes.

Re: Pangeya is missing
 

Hey guys.

There are some temporary troubles with Throne of Heavens game. I've changed settings (increasing this turn's timer a little bit), but when I've tried to restart the game it tells me "game has been successefully restarted", but in fact its status is still "stoped". I've tried it several times, giving it time to implement the changes, but with no success so far.

I've send email to Mose, waiting for his reply now. I'll post here as soon as I'll get more information. Hopefully the game will be restarted soon. Stay tuned!

Re: Pangeya is missing
 

The game is up and runing again, new turn 54 have been hosted.

My thanks to Mose for the quick intervention!

Re: Pangeya is missing
 

Since the game is geting increasingly more complicated, and since some people have been asking for it, I am switching the game to 48h quickhost, if it is ok with everybody.

Throne Of Heavens
 

Greetings all.

I regret to say but I am going to bow out of this game at this point.

About 5 turns ago Mictlan(Archaeolept) offered an "alliance victory" option to Pangeya(qunatum_mechanic) against my Vanheim nation, and Panquea accepted it. Frankly I was quite startled by such development, especially after all that Machaka controversity and discussions of "fair" and "not fair" victories and gameplay. IMO the idea from the begining of this game, which was even reflected in the name, was that "The Throne Of Heavens can have but one owner". (c) But as Archae told me, it was not officially in the rules, and it become clear to me that unfortunatly both Mictlan and Pangeya have different ideas of what constitutes a fair victory. They also both replied to me that they dislike endgames, and would like to be over with it as soon as they can. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/fear.gif


My attempts to talk to Archae and QM against such "alliance victory" were not successeful. But I think that in the situation when Micltan alone was stronger than me (he had 10 times more SCs, more gem income, better reseach, much better army), him offering "alliance victory" to the 3rd major nation did not make much sense to me, to put it mildly. ;(


But this is just my opinion, clearly Archae and QM feel differently, or they would not go ahead with such "strategy". I am not going to start discussion on this. What I am telling here is my personal opinion, nothing else. Other people may feel differently.


All I can say is that if I wanted to win the game in such manner, I would won it twice already, beyond any doubts. As you all know well, Machaka offered me to do similar things by "throwing the game in my favor" on two different occasions, when he was still very powerfull nation. And as you know I did everything I could to refuse such victory, since I simply didn't feel there is any glory or fun in it. I also worked hard to find sub for Machaka, together with Zap, so I would not overun his huge empire in 2-3 turns as I would if it would be swithced to AI in the middle of the war with me. All these actions of mine were motivated not by masohism, http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif but by simple desire to have "fun" and "fair" endgame, instead of automatic victory for my nation. And of course I don't regret it, since vitory does not mean much to me comparable to fun and challenging gameplay.



But anyway, enough about it. I don't want to start discussion of what fair and what not. I am just explaining my motives and feelings. If you guys will want to continue this game and will find a sub for me, I'll be glad to provide my password along with master password for the game. Although I must say that in this situation when 2 out of 3 major nations agreed to share "alliance victory", the rest of the nations don't have any chance to win, no matter who will play them. I could still struggle for a very long time in this game, since I have a lot of different resourses, unique artifacts and strong overall position, but such "endgame" simply does not make any sense for me.




To be fair, I want to say that both Archae and QM played well, and they lead their nations to become one of the major nations in the game by using good skills and tactics. I also freely admit that their combinded might is stronger than that of my nation, or any other combination of nations. I just wished they would not decide at the end to go ahead with "alliance victory" in such sitiation, simply because they "dislike endgames". ;(



Anyway, I want to thank each and every player in this game, both permament players and subs. IMHO the game was a real bLast. I think the house rules worked very well and prevented a lot of end-game cheese that plaqued so many other MP dom2 games. I hope you liked them as well.

I hope each of you guys had a lot of fun with this game. So my deep thanks to you all for all your time and efforts to create this great gaming experience, I hope you enjoyed it as much as I did.

Take care!

With best regards,
Stormbinder

Re: Throne Of Heavens
 

My two cents.

Assuming that Pangaea and Mictlan have indeed agreed to an allied victory.
I think it is against the "spirit" of the game as I understood it.
The game was supposed to be FFA. With only one winner.
Deciding on "allied" victory in such a game spoils the fun of it for the other players (at least for me).
Anyway, this is my sentiment. Don't think I care much for continuing the game given the way things stand.

Re: Throne Of Heavens
 

Can I ask if this game is actually being played or not? The reason I ask is that Tyrant had recently opened a new game, got a crew signed up, and then stopped the game at my request when I screwed up my pretender upload. He did not immediately create a new game, and when he attempted to, the 23 game limit had been reached. Since no new games have been created since his attempt, that means that some older game must've been stopped and restarted. My best guess is that this is the game that's been restarted.

So, if you guys are not intending to play this out, can we coordinate w/ Tyrant to make sure that Tyrant gets the slot?

TIA,

Thufir

Re: Throne Of Heavens
 

the game is still going, whatever storm's self-righteous spaz.

he should be looking for a substitute.

Frankly, we've only been fighting for 3 turns, and I offered to w/draw my acceptance of a combined victory. as such, storm's claim that is an out and out lie. I don't much care whether there's an alliance victory or not, though long endgames bore me.

Let us be clear: storm's extremely aggressive diplomacy towards both me and quantum alienated both of us - even though all my initial plans for the game originally involved looking for an ally against quantum's pangaia. However, storm was just so irritating and self-righteous both of us eventually coalesced against him. And, to us, he looked to be the strongest as he had just taken out most of the southern continent.

What then happened was that storm put forth a lot of bragging and trash talk. frankly, i believed him as to his capabilites and fully expected to lose two armies this past turn; especially since he's played far more endgames than I have. However, it was all hot air, and this Last turn he blew most of his prime units on obviously risky and unthought-out attacks. This is why he now wants to find some excuse to quit, not any supposed victory agreement between me and quantum.

Remember: this was his game, his "no quitters" game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

10 times? that's bizarre, and quite untrue are you saying that I had 80+ SCs? (since you had at least 8 that i even knew about, including an allfather, 2 air queens, 2 water queens, an AQ mummy, and tartarians). my gem income was slightly higher, and my army better (though unknown to me, as I did not know what storm's forces consisted of). but here we see the essence of storm's mental processes: he seems to need to convince himself that he deserves to win so badly that he w/draws into fantasy. Machaka also offered me an alliance; and at the stage where storm was offered the alliance, Machaka had already been largely eviscerated by the war and had absolutely no forces to send against me; much less sufficient forces to destroy me lol. Storm was uninterested in an alliance w/ machak because he expected to take out all of machaka's remaining territory, which he almost did.

Anyways, the alliance victory no longer holds (it was never set in stone anyways - as I just told quantum that I would accept one), since storm is being so whiny about it.

No quitters huh? LOL

Re: Throne Of Heavens
 

What a pile of nonsense Archae. I am somewhat dissapointed to hear it from you.


You mostly did not dispute any of the facts that I said in my post, you are just trying to spin them around.

And when you try to contradict me directly it is simply untrue.

Just few points from your letter:


I only have 1 water queen, not 2. Always had.

As I said you were leading in *all* graphs when you offered that "alliance victory" option to qunatum, except my slight lead in provinces and gold income. You had more gem income, better reseach, *much* more SCs(specifically you had all Archdevils, all Icedevils, Demon Lords (except those owened by Pangeya), Helios(excpet those owned by Pangeya), your pretender), some some Fire/Earth Kings, plus other SCs), *much* better army, *much* more blood income.
All SCs I had, when you and Pangeya joined in "alliance victory" plan against me that you have offered to him, was 2(two) AQs , 1(one) pretender, 1(one) WQ, and 1(one) tantarian. 1 AQ mummy came either around that time or shortly after it, and was promptly blinded in the very first battle with Machaka. I had no other SCs whatsoever. Your math has nothing to do with reality.
In such conditions offering "alliance victory" to 3rd (and Last) major nation is very lame in my honest opinion.


I expressed my feeling about it to you and to quantum very clearly at that time. You personally told me that this was not directly prohibited by the rules, that's the way you want to play it, and that you dislike endgames. Quantum said pretty much the same, and he also told me that he accepted your offer and because of this he is withdrewing from NoneAgressionTreaty with me. Are you going to dispute it? Or are you telling that QM was lieing?


Finally I already freely admited that your 2 combined nations are obviously stronger than any combination of all other nations, including my own. So your boasting about your two victories this turn does not make any sense, since I already admited that I will eventualy lose. I killed Quantum's pretender this turn, got 2 very expensive unique battle artifacts from him, wiped out 2 of his armis and broke the gates of two of his castles while breaking his sieges on two of mine. I also suffered some serious losses. But it all does not matter at the end, since as I said the writing on the wall is clear.



The Machaka part of your letter is totally untrue. He offered me to throw the game in my favor on two ocasions, first time when he was still the largest nation in the world. You, Archae, have agreed yourself that he could easely do it, if he would go ahead with his plan of fighting you and not resisting me. That's excactly why you backed off, since you obviously wanted to win the game by yourself. I just never expected that you would come with such "genious" "alliance victory" plan as you did, to archive your goal.


Now you are trying to tell us that Machaka was weak and harmless. LOL. Why than you backed of from his theat and whined so much about his "blackmail"??? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif


Of course I wanted to win the war against him myself. The the goal of the war, you know. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif When I attacked him after his agression against Marignon, Machaka was the most powerfull nation on the globe, as everybody, including yourself, agreed. But nevertheless I wanted to beat him myself, not receive the victory on the golden plate in "alliance" with him against you, as he have offered repeatedly during our war, or to recieve the victory on the game on the golden plate, if he would direct all his forces against you, and allow me to overun his empire, as he threaten to do. Feel the difference archae. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif You was pissed and scared by his threat, since you knew very well just like I did, that it was very credible. That was the only reason why you backed off.



As for your "allaince voctory" that was "never set a stone" - sorry, but that's a total bull****. You have directly offered it an "alliance victory" to Quantum. He have accepted it. He told me about it himeself when he withdrew from NAT with me and attacked me, and you withdrew from NAT with me one turn before that. Whom do you think you are fooling Archae? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



I would never quit the game if you would not turn game that was supposed to be FFA into that lame "alliance victory" crap with other major nation, when your was already was the strongest nation in the game, partly because you never was in a single challenging war in this game. If you dislike endgames so much you should find a sub for yourself, I am sure there would be a lot of takers. IMO "alliance victory" is very lame solution to avoid long endgames.



If you will manage to find a sub let me know. I've set game to 6000 hours quickhost for now. Otherwise please don't insult other people intelligence with your spin.

Re: Pangeya is missing
 

Ok, probably won't change anything, but here is my point of view:

Storm has indeed been conducting very aggressive diplomacy in this game, and I had already been considering a war with him at some point simply due to his obnoxious attitude. When Arch offered a combined victory agreement (presumably because he was also feeling the same annoyance at the diplomacy), this was a main motivation. In addition, from the graphs, he seemed the most powerful nation and it did not seem like the war was any kind of automatic win. Apparently Storm was also not sure how good his chances were, as he waited until 3 turns into the war to decide to quit. Lastly, I do dislike late game, and thus I saw the war as way of killing 3 birds with one stone.

The bottom line is that I do not consider it unfair to ally against arguably the most powerful nation, who has also threatend my nation in the past.

A final note on WQs: I have seen both the Queen of the Deeps and The Queen of the Lake under his control at different times. As far as know, neither myself or Arch has killed one. If Mackaka killed one, my mistake.

Re: Pangeya is missing
 

LOL. I have no idea what you saw quantum but I never had 2 WQs, only one. Always had. You can see it swiming in the sea this turn, right under your nose. Not you, not Machaka, not Marignon haven't killed any WQs of mine. The only 2nd WQ that ever existed in the game was yours. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif You could not possibly see 2nd WQ under my control. And in the future at least have a decency to put "I think" when you write such statements. You would look better than, trust me.




I don't know how you could feel that I was the most powerfull nation when I was trailing Mictlan in all indicatiors except small lead in gold income and province number, while I unlike him I had been engaged in the difficult war for many turns. But whatever. I did wait for 3 turns trying to see if the situation was possible to salvage, simply because I invested a lot of time in this game, so I didn't want to quit immideatly, despite you turning FFA game into "team game". But I told you and Arache what I think about your "alliance victory" option very clearly, and you know what you have replyed to me, don't you?


And this is not just my opinion, as you can see from this thread Izaques (R'leh player) feel the same. I think Marignon also would join the same sentiments, although I am not going to speak for him myself, he can do it himself if he'll decide to it.



Finally QM if you really don't understand the difference between temporarely alliance, and "alliance victory", I suggest you think again about it, before posing more of your "facts". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif And if you dislike endgames in Dom2 so much as you say you do, I would recommend you in the future to stay away from the games against veteran players played on medium or large maps, or if you do play them find a sub for yourself at the end, instead of spoiling the game for other players.

Vanhiem is missing
 

To accuse _me_ of spoiling the game for other players is absurd. I never suggested quitting without finding find a sub (unlike a few other players in this game). Is a semi-alliance victory ruining it for Ry'leh/Marignon? They don't really have a realistic chance of winning at this point, and a final war like this was coming regardless of where the sides were drawn. Am I ruining it for you by having a semi-alliance victory? As I said before we would have done a temorary allience anyway, so if you situation is as hopeless as you say, you would be dead either way. That pretty much leaves you arguing that Arch and I are ruining it for ourselves, and while I appreciate you concern, I'm afraid we will just have to live with it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

The agreement with Arch was actually a 'temporary' alliance, once you were finished off, we had talked about continuing the game a little while to find out who was the supreme god of the pantheon. However, as it is my guess that he would be significantly than me stronger at that point, it is most likely we would skip the formality for micromanagement's sake.

Anyway, whether a temporary alliance or game ending one, it dosn't affect your situation at all. The thing you overlook in all your Posts is that your diplomacy brought this on yourself, indeed it might have been more tactically sound to ally with you vs. mictlan. After all the threats and general machinations though, there was no way I was going to do that.

My point about you waiting 3 turns is still valid, why would you play them if you thought you had no chance and would quit in a few turns anyway? And if you could not tell for sure that such a war would doom you, how was I to know?

I'm beginning to think that anyone other than yourself winning this game would have resulted in accusations of unfairness.

Re: Pangeya is missing
 

lol storm, you are the one spoiling the game by quitting in this "no quitters" game. As far as i can tell, you have not even made the littlest effort to find a sub, and would rather that the game go to hell due to your fit of pique that is really just motivated by your losing position - a position that you find yourself in purely due to your poor play, especially as to attempting diplomatic hardball w/ both me and quant.

I would recommend that you not play games against players who might beat you.

Since I've already repudiated the joint victory I had proposed to quantum, and that this joint victory was just to avoid a long and tedious endgame, you are left w/ nary a leg to stand on as to your supposed rationale for quitting. the truth is you can't bear to lose, and would rather kick up a huge sh*t storm than admit to it.

As to your math, it is attrocious as usual. yet you list 6 SCs. at that time I would have had 5 IDs (not counting mr. icicle fists) 5 ADs, one demon lord, and a pretender outfitted, or almost so, as SCs. As well, I would have had a king of elemental fire and father illearth way back in my lines being used as forgers (hence, SC chassis's, though not currently usable as SC's), and one sucky heliophagus used as a scout, since it seemed too dangerous to send him against PD http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

Let me see. that gives me 12 SC's, 14 including chassis's. How is that "10 times" the number of SC's you had (admitted to 6, not counting large numbers of mini-SC van thugs). how is 12, or even 14, this 10 times 6 storm? please explain. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

more of your creative math: this is just absurd. ignoring army size, which is basically useless (though I was ahead, it included large amounts of national troops and imps), right before the war when i made the alliance w/ Quantum you were significantly ahead in provinces and gold, tied in dominion, ahead in castles. I was only ahead of you in research and gems. This is easy enough for anyone w/ a single eye to see from the graphs. you were ahead in 3, tied in 1, and i was ahead in 3 (including army size). You are so desperate that you are reduced to pure confabulation and outright fabrication of reasons.

If you must be a baby and go home crying to mommy, pls at least find a substitute. I'm sure quantum and I would be happy to completely change the diplomatic situation w/ a different, less whiny, player.

Re: Pangeya is missing
 

What? Stormwhiner, oops, sorry, it's StormQuitter isn't it, anyways, Storm being obnoxious? Say it ain't so!?!

And quitting in this manner, in a game which he (as always) called for "no quitters", is just the icing on the cake. He even says, "I could still struggle for a very long time in this game, since I have a lot of different resourses, unique artifacts and strong overall position, but such "endgame" simply does not make any sense for me."

Hey Stormie - how is this different from other people quitting when they're in a losing position, even though they could "struggle for a very long time", because it "does not make any sense" to them because it ain't fun anymore?

And putting the responsibility on other players to find a substitute for your quitting self? That's adding churlishness and childishness to blatant hypocrisy.

Yay! Three cheers for good old Saint StormBinder, people! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Re: Pangeya is missing
 

ROFL.

I knew cain could not resist posting in such thread. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif


To quantum/archae:

Other people? What other people are you talking about, please tell?


R'leh player have told you that your "alliance victory" crap have spolied the game for him. Maltrease is very polite guy who does not like controversy, but I think he feels the same.


In case you guys haven't noticed not me, not R'leh, not Marignon are not interested in continuing this game given the way things they are. You have turned the game from FFA to "team game", with your "team" having significantly more resourses than the rest of the nations combined. There is no much point of continuing playing such game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif I hope you'll be able to enjoy such "victory".


That means that nobody other than archae/quantum with their "shared victory" wants to continue this game.

But what realy cracked me up is Archae braging of him beating me, after he himself beged quantum to agree to "shared victory" option, only because he was too afraid to deal with me himself. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif That statement really made my day. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif


Amyway, enough of this pissing contest. If you'll find 2 or 3 subs silly enough to enjoy playing such "team" game against team that have much more resourses than the rest of the nations combined, go ahead and do it. Other people are asking me to give them the slot of our game if it is finished. So hurry up.

Vanhiem is missing/out of thier minds
 

As much as I hate to drag this out, you still have not addressed any of the points in my post. In addition, I've heard you say in the past that diplomacy was one of (if not the most) important parts of a long term dominions game. I would say by that measure you are losing fair and square- angering the two other major nations is not a great idea diplomatically. As for Ry'leh/ Magrignon, I would be fine with breaking up the alliance and continuing the game after Vanheim is gone, if they still fell like they can affect the outcome.

As for the WQs, I was quite sure I saw 2 different ones, I'm not accusing you of lieing, it does seem unlikly that you would not remember summoning one. So, I would not at all rule out that I was mistaken.