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I understand the draft, but I'm not talking about his participation in Vietnam. I'm talking about his apparent desire to depict himself as the hero in Vietnam. The way it was done, it looks like he used the situation of the war as long as it was useful to him (the films), then got back and decided his films wouldn't be worth as much as the anti-war crowd. I realize there were plenty of people in combat who disagreed with the whole thing, but most of them weren't playing war in front of cameras in their spare time.

But you never took part in any of what Kerry and VVAW were accusing the US of. Kerry said he did--and now says he's proud of his service. That doesn't seem to match up to me, unless he has an easier time dropping off to sleep at night than I do.

alarik:

The statement most quoted seems to come from an appearance by Kerry on Meet the Press on April 18, 1971:
Links would include http://hnn.us/articles/3552.html and www.wintersoldier.com (redirects to another site).

And, although I must reserve comment on it since I haven't checked it out yet, I guess I should post this link in case anyone hasn't heard of it yet: www.stolenhonor.com.

To briefly respond to the rest of what you said: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
- I think the films don't necessarily show that he supported the war, but they do show that he thought it was a good enough opportunity to promote himself. My reply to GP would go here, too.

- Whether or not he was allowed to speak up about atrocities while in Vietnam, he did not need to take part in them. Note that I am not saying that would have been the easy route--it's not easy under any circumstances to stand up to a superior. But what would have happened? His CO can't just shoot him on the spot. Throw him in the brig? Court-martial him? Any retaliation against him would have made it more likely for the truth to come out. The fact that he didn't is admittedly less of a reflection on him than on the moral fiber of the average American of the time (and of this time, truth be told). As for reporting atrocities causing problems among one's unit, what about continually being subjected to seeing them committed, or even being ordered to? It seems that would be worse for morale than getting bad COs or non-coms removed.

And just as a completely unrelated side note, I found it interesting that a young F. Lee Bailey was involved in the trials for My Lai 4--for the defense. Always new tidbits of information out there that I never knew. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Starhawk said:
"No....though for some of them I'll say sorry.....I'm tired so I'm a litle testy...sorry......cept for my remarks toward Ed those stand.

Meaning? --- I will always take great offense to anyone who speaks ill of this imperfect yet GREAT & GIVING country of mine. I am moved by your passion.

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Not that you will read this, but... that is just a tad alarmist, don't you think?

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For all, but specifically Starhawk:

If you haven't already, pick up a copy of "The Ugly American" by William J. Lederer and Eugene Burdick at your local library. It focuses on the arrogance that was prevalent in the 1950's and 1960's era policies in southeast Asia, and how it helped the Soviets gain an even larger foothold in the area because of the unbelievable ignorance and arrogance of American foreign policy. In its time, it turned around American policy, and probably helped the US win the Cold War. Today, you can make very good parallels with the American foreign policy worldwide under the Bush Administration, and see how Islamic terrorist Jihad organizations are utilizing the same mistakes to take advantage of our position, and possibly bring us down through guerilla warfare (not to mention through pissing off the rest of the world).

If you have read the book, I suggest reading through it again to see the parallels. In my personal opinion, the countries of the Middle East were screwed up by the territory borders drawn up after the World Wars by Britain, France, the US, and the Allies, and are not yet ready for a democratic style of government (for the nitpickers, republican style of government, there is no true democracy on Earth at the moment AFAIK). But if we are going to install such a style of government, we do it through the work of aid workers, who facilitate the creation of businesses in the area and instill the social values of elections, fair judicial systems, and human rights, etc. The way is not through a military invasion followed by the creation of what is essentially a puppet government and an election process that will inevitably degenerate into complete failure. A democratic system will not work unless the citizens of the area want to make it work, and we're not making that happen right now.

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You make it sound like a weekend event. Its like saying you can either be proud of making the honor roll in school, or ashamed of some of the things you did in school, but not both. You cant say "I earned a letter in track" and also say "I beat up a kid for being for the other team" at the same time?

If he got a purple heart then he got a purple heart. Now if he had gotten a silver star SPECIFICALLY for what he felt at the time was an atrocity and tried to claim both at the same time then I could see it being hypocritical.

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Too much to respond to in all that.

This is embearrassing. Either you are an excellent troll or the best example of an american stereotype Ive met in a long time. Please... join something and visit the real world outside of the US.

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Right. Its very different in Indonesia, Algeria, Albania, Bandladesh, Malaysia, Morocco, Somalia, Turkey, Nigeria. The countries with the largest muslim populations arent even in the arabian desert.

What we see are really a few women who feel they should not have to follow the local customs. It makes big news because their action agrees with our customs and rights. Im not saying they shouldnt have that right but its not some huge revolution.

They have the same problem looking at our countries. They find it odd that they CANNOT wear their veils whereever they want, Or that american muslims would hear "go back where you came from". To them, the big news would be the american woman who's husband can actually MAKE her get a job, Or can actually kick her out with no support unless she goes to a court and demands money.

Do they have "asma Allah" bumper stickers? The will of Allah which actually has legal precedent in their courts.

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Heh. Didn't see any bumper stickers. Was too busy jumping out of the way usually.

What does 'asma Allah' mean? I know the standard phrases, and I used to know a bit more Farsi and arabic, but now it's just limited to 'humdillah', 'inshalla' and stuff like that...

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eddieballgame said:
Will again read the whole thing before you post because you sound like you didn't read jack after that line considering the reason I said I dislike Ed is because he is one of those violent we need a revolution nuts not even someone who wants to change things FOR THE BETTER please do learn to pay close attention to every post following that one again......especially because that was waaaaaay back and apparently that's your stop point as far as reading went.

Oh and I'm sorry I'm a little testy because I'm tired means I was tired so I was stressed so I was sorry there is no "reading between the lines" possible anywhere in there. :p


"For all, but specifically Starhawk:

If you haven't already, pick up a copy of "The Ugly American" by William J. Lederer and Eugene Burdick at your local library. It focuses on the arrogance that was prevalent in the 1950's and 1960's era policies in southeast Asia, and how it helped the Soviets gain an even larger foothold in the area because of the unbelievable ignorance and arrogance of American foreign policy. In its time, it turned around American policy, and probably helped the US win the Cold War. Today, you can make very good parallels with the American foreign policy worldwide under the Bush Administration, and see how Islamic terrorist Jihad organizations are utilizing the same mistakes to take advantage of our position, and possibly bring us down through guerilla warfare (not to mention through pissing off the rest of the world).

If you have read the book, I suggest reading through it again to see the parallels. In my personal opinion, the countries of the Middle East were screwed up by the territory borders drawn up after the World Wars by Britain, France, the US, and the Allies, and are not yet ready for a democratic style of government (for the nitpickers, republican style of government, there is no true democracy on Earth at the moment AFAIK). But if we are going to install such a style of government, we do it through the work of aid workers, who facilitate the creation of businesses in the area and instill the social values of elections, fair judicial systems, and human rights, etc. The way is not through a military invasion followed by the creation of what is essentially a puppet government and an election process that will inevitably degenerate into complete failure. A democratic system will not work unless the citizens of the area want to make it work, and we're not making that happen right now. "



Again you obviously havn't read jack squat else of what I posted so I won't even bother to reply to that beyond this line.

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It means "Will of Allah". If they hit you then it was meant to happen. The deeply faithful would put it and would drive as if they fully believed it. Trucks in Turkey had it on their bumpers alot and it basically meant that anyone with that on their bumper had right of way. That was a couple of decades ago but I havent heard that it changed any.

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You do realize that the entire goal of a revolution is to change things for the better, right? That is exactly what revolution means, to revolt against an oppressive, harmful government and establish a new, better form... With the current corporate-controlled federal US political system, getting anyone into power other than the Demo-Republicrat flavor of the week is virtually impossible. Alternative view points are silenced, as demonstrated by the events leading up the the arrest of Mr. Badnarik and Mr. Nader. Most (US) people aren't even aware that there are other (US) parties than the 2 big evils, and may have just barely heard of Mr. Nader as some ultra-liberal nutcase (which he is, but that is beside the point). Campaign finance reforms, such as eliminating private donations to election campaigns entirely, instead relying on equal funding for all semi-serious candidates, would go a long way to alleviating this problem. However, those in power benefit directly from the f-ed up system currently in place, so will not be very keen to change it on their own. A constitutional amendment would get the will of the people involved, rather than the will of the entrenched elite. However, it has to start with those entrenched elite approving it to be voted on by the people in the first place... The Demo-Republicrats are not going to change the system that benefits them so well. Hence comments about a revolution... While this is not necessarily a very practical solution, it is not just some nutcase wanting to cause chaos and mayhem, as you seem to think it is.

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Starhawk:
I did read the entire thread, some parts of it multiple times because I couldn't believe what some people posted. I kindly suggest that you go back and read what Ed actually posted, and see if your comments on him being a "US-hating militant" who is "not interested in positive change" is truly warranted. I'll even quote so it is all in one place:

Now, you're taking a comment made by Ed that essentially just agreed with dogscoff saying that the US needs a revolution, and Ed at the same time said he wouldn't start such a thing. You then go on to insult and flame him for wanting a change in the way things are done in his government, because, God forbid, he thinks the two-party duopoly is hurting this country. I'm sorry, but I have very little sympathy to such reactionary drivel, and the ignorance that breeds it is the largest single threat (IMHO) to the US today.

All my Posts have been directed at trying to educate on the facts and opposing opinions on these issues (mainly blind US patriotism, and the vitriol used by extreme Groups to try and get the masses to accept their viewpoint by any means). If you, or anyone else, sees something in my Posts that is derrogatory or insulting to you, then I apologize, and would like you to point them out to me. I certainly don't see anything wrong with my Posts, but my perspective is slightly skewed.

If, after all this, you refuse to accept that it is a good thing that people speak out against the actions of their government, then I cannot help you. I can only hope somewhere along your journey in life you become enlightened to the necessity of a dissenting voice. You seem to be almost there with the comment "imperfect yet GREAT & GIVING country of mine", but the nasty remarks about those who speak up about those imperfections says you have a way to go still.

Pick up the book. While it criticizes, it still does show why America has its strength.

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I'm sorry but violent revolts usually just lead to massive civil bloodshed and wars, do you want to turn this country into a Somolia? Afterall who gets to rule the country when the wars are over? Would there even be a country to rule afterall you honestly think our nations enemies (those that COULD reach us) would just sit back and not take advantage of a massive civil war between MULTIPLE factions?

A revolution today would be impossible for soo many reasons that it'd take all day to list them so this revolution talk is not positive it's destructive.

As I said if you want things changed you have to do it peacefully and intelligently or not at all.


Will as I said I love my country does that mean my government.....heck no but revolution would destroy my country and so revolution is not good. Understand now?

There is a difference between going 'the government is not the best thing" for an American citizen but when foreigners spend their time knocking our government instead of cirticizing their own it just makes no sense to me.
Afterall the problems i have with my government make sense for me but do you see me out there going "UK SUCKS your all idiots"? NO because even if the citizens of the UK thought it sucked (which it doesn't I'm just using an example so don't even start in on this) it's not my place to judge their entire country based on a few old men in power.

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You still don't get it... Dogscoff and Ekolis were not really serious about taking up arms... It was more sarcastic lamenting over the fact that the only way to get the US out of the virtual oligarchy it is in (the corporate Demo-Republicrat group) would be to take up arms and forcibly reform it... The only ones capable of peacefully reforming the system are those that are currently in power. They have no incentive to change the system that works so well for them, and as long as the system is not changed, the same Groups will continue to be elected into power and the cycle continues... A massive public outcry is the only way the current corporate-controlled two-party system will change. Unfortunately, the US public is ignorant and often idiotic, and doesn't even realize that the system is a problem. Go figure.

Also, it is actually a terrible idea to only care about your own government and have no interest in the affairs of other nations.

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Well there are a lot of folks i've heard talking (maybe not here) about revolutions and civil wars quite seriously so it erks me sorry, kind of a pet peeve.

Well I do care about other nations it's just not my place to judge whether or not that government "sucks" or not you know what I mean?

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No, I do not know what you mean. You have every right to criticize a government, even if it is not your own. What do you think the UN is for?

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I may have the right but it just doesn't feel right to me as I am only hearing my governments view on theirs and it's too one sided for me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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To be criticized. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

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Well, you certainly seem to be implying that about Canada.

By the way, if the US is such a "giving" country, how muhc foreign aid do you think we give out? Where do you think we rank in the world (look up the per capita numbers, as well).

Starhawk, please take this in the spirit of advice, but I think there are at least a couple things you should do: wait until you know more about the topic at hand (ex: are you a scholar of revolutions? What about the American Revolution?), and read some Noam Chomsky and look at some opposing viewpoints...and travel to a foriegn country or two...then you can be an expert on what foriegners think and say and do...and what America's *real* place in the world is...

I, too, was once 17 and knew eveything and I was right about everything and I wasn't annoying either.

I learned there is a lot more to the world then what I was being fed...

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How did I imply canada sucked? Heck I said it's a lovley country with nice people http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif it's got a small military and a small population that's a fact not an insult http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

And I know a lot of foreigners don't like this government because a bunch of them here said it :p (not an insult by calling people foreigners either as to me they are and I am to them)
And because I've met more then a few people from other nations too and I've met many that like this country, the government and the people, others that don't and some that just don't care so I know America is not always seen as the best nation the world has to offer lol.

Oh and I never made any comments about how giving we are or aren't http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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If you don't know then I can't tell you.

Hmm. Sorry. I must have gotten confused there...nevermind!

Anyways, I'm outta here.

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Thats kindof the point. Your "facts" about them, and other nations, and other religions, are wrong and insulting. Or at best they are opinions, and insulting.

Most of them have just been too much to bother correcting but just as an example... your "facts" about Canadas size in military and population. Dont you see that as an opinion? The other side of that mirror would be for someone to say that its a "fact" that the US has too much military for a nation no longer in a cold war, and too much population if it cannot support them without commerce. Im sure you would argue those "facts"

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How is that possibly an insult since the Renegade even said Canada has a small population? I'm sorry but a population of 30 million is small fine it's an opinion sorry http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

Oh and dear lord they do have a small military that's not bad either as their military is sufficient for the size of their country and for it's defense they don't want a bigger military and Renegade even said they couldn't afford one so it's no insult to say their military is rather small. So what the US military is small compared to the Chinese miltiary are you now saying I'm insulting the US?

Sorry but I really don't mean any of that as an insult and taking it as such is kind of strange.

Now if I said Canada's army was puny or that their population was soooo small as to be the buttcrack of the world then I could understand being insulted but I didn't say anything of the sort :p

Anyhoo I'm outta here as I'm sick of peopel taking every little thing as an insult.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/Sick.gif

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Actually, Canada is probably MORE ethnically diverse than the US is. We have a huge amount of immigration, without it, our population would actually be decreasing. We're every bit as ethnically diverse as you are. Also, we don't have dollar bills here. We have dollar coins. Closest thing we have to a dollar bill is a $5 bill, and yep, its blue http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif But its worth more and more over time compared to the American dollar. Ours is rising, yours if falling in value.

Oh, and by the way, as for "that huge ol' country the United States"....Canada is bigger.

In order of landmass, starting with the largest:

-Russia
-Canada
-US
-China
-Brazil (I think...)

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And Afghani would know, since Canadians are one of the largest (if not the largest) peace keeping forces in Afghanistan, since the US decided to pull out and concentrate on Iraq.

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Come on Katchoo, dont' go! Just avoid the political threads, such as this one. I don't think the community as a whole has gone downhill, although this thread could be said to have become inflammatory, with people calling other people "damn fools" etc, and so on, on both sides of the arguement. But please, there's no need to abandon this place simply due to one thing, such as this.

Anyways, hope you change your mind. If you don't, see you when SEV comes out http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Actually we are still there it's just we have military presence as apposed to a "peacekeeper" contingent like Canada http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Don't peacekeepers wear the UN symbols on their uniforms and not those of their homeland? hmmm I always forget that as I don't see many pictures of UN Peacekeeper contingents.

I meant huge as in the american government tends to but into alot more national affairs then canada (yes I said butt in in a bad way) that's all I meant by just about everyone knows who we are.


Anyway I'm out of this thread as I'm buisy working on my mod so have fun all http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Goodness gracious!

Things certainly got heated in here.

But isn't the right to hold our own opinions, the right to publicly debate and question the policies of our elected leaders, in essence aren't these the things the Founding Fathers specifically safeguarded our right to do?

Why do any of you become angry over the opinions of the other?

It's obvious that you are all profoundly patriotic, in your separate ways. I'm sure you all support the First Amendment right to free speech. Why the anger?

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I know that's what you meant about "just about everyone knowing who the USA is". I was purposely being obtuse http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif I do that lots, and was just trying to interject a little humor into the situation. I know, it was pathetic, but I just needed to try http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Anywho, I (speaking as a Canadian) did not take any offense to what Starhawk said about Canada. Small population we have. Personally, I like it that way. If you want to live in the middle of nowhere, or in the middle of a metropolitan, modern city, or anywhere in between, you can. Its great. As for the small military....its true! And I know many Canadians would like us to have a larger military presence, but many would also like us to keep it just as it is. My opinion officially doesn't matter, since I'm not yet of voting age http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif But I should be by the time the next federal and provincial elections come along.

I think we all need to take a small step back, and not become so incensed over what other people say. Everyone has different opinions, and though those opinions may clash, it tells just how free we all are. That we can voice our opinions, even though they may be anti-government, etc. Anyways, I guess you can call this just a plea to calm down, and discuss things in a more rational and...well...calm manner.

I'm outta here for today, hope next time I pop into this thread, things are a little more reasonable....

Also, I'm sorry if my opinion has insulted anyone, that has not been my intention. I haven't been insulted by anyone elses opinions...at times I've shaken my head at the apparent ignorance of some people, but then again, maybe I'm ignorant and missing something obvious.

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Hey everybody... sorry for starting this whole mess, but I'm glad it got us all thinking! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif
As any good psychotherapist would say, "let's let it rest for now at this stable point, we'll talk about it some more later", hmm? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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I KNOW WHAT IT IS NOW!!!

It's all a Canadian Conspiracy!

That whole "we're courteous" is just a show in reality they are a facist state hidden under the niceguy look we all beleive canadians to have!
Half of Toronto's population is the ARMY!

The reason that the Canadian dollar is on the rise is because they put hypnotic materials in their pretty blue money! and the Dollar has a chemical on it that makes you happy to be holding a Canadian dollar! and the more dollars you hold the happier you are yet you must give up the "buzz" dollar for food but you must work to get more! And thus other nations have heard of the lovely canadian money and they all want to get their hands on it no matter what!

Canada wants to rule the world I say! those mounties they are really an elite special forces unit disguised as a bunch of helpful policemen! Anyone who goes to Canada and runs into a Mounty is turned into a Sleeper! a mindless drone for the Canadian cause!

This MUST BE STOPPED (sounds of canadians breaking down the door with hockey sticks) IT MUST STOP!!!! (sceram thump repeated beating noises heard)

Hey ah Yah Canada is great ay I mean they are lovely people and you didn't read any of this okay ay.

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However, as punishment for this conspiracy, any Canadian working on anything of worth will mysteriously have their hard drive crash inexplicably http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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You don't really want that to happen, do you? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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Just read the entire thread and here's some comments for several Posts, might not make much sense if you haven't just read it all Posts at once...

I think the french revolution lead to something good eventually..

Peacekeepers are mostly military, and they have their national symbols on their uniforms, usually national uniforms.

We in sweden, a relative small country of 9 million people, have personel in international service in 15 places right now (Kosovo (KFOR), Bosnia (SFOR), Balkan (EUMM), Liberia (UNMIL), Sierra Leone (UNAMSIL), Eritrea/Etiopia (UNMEE), Kongo (MONUC), Sudan (JMM/JMC), Georgia (UNOMIG), Georgia (OSCE), Middle east (UNTSO), Afganistan (ISAF), Kashmir (UNMOGIP), Korea (NNSC), East timor (UNMISET).

We are planning on sending the airforce abroad on peacekeeping missions aswell, as we have one of the best multi-purpose jets in service today (SAAB JAS-39 Gripen), I think the plan was Kongo, where we've had the airforce on peace keeping missions before.

The US dollar is at an 7 year low right now.

Just becourse we critize aspects of the US doesn't mean we don't critize our own countries and goverments.. It's just that not many people on this forum are intersted in the internal politics in Sweden I think, but there seems to be an interest in the US politics, which is understandable as it has a global effect in a way Swedish (and other small countries) politcs doesn't have.

Why can't people see that some countries (France, Russia etc) might have thought the war against Iraq was a bad idea, just as the US thought it was agood idea? Does it have to be a bad motive only?
Sure there where several things taken into consideration but ultimately I belive the decisions both in US and France was heavily influenced becourse the leaders thought their decisions where the "best" for the people in Iraq. (I know I'm naive..)

So, totally random comments, can you see where they fit in?

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It's true already. Kwok and the Star Trek Mod, SJ several times, I've seen a few other Canadians have major projects lost in hard drive failiures (Deathstalker I think for sure has).

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That's because it is too cold for hard drives in Canada. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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Yeah guys, thanks for bringing up that pain again. [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Cold.gif[/img]

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Nah, its just that our hard drives are overheating, trying to stay warm in this frigid country http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif And speaking of overheating...that's what my hard drive is doing...I'm Canadian...ITS GONNA CRASH!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif Lol, don't worry, I'm taking steps to cool it down.

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Damn, you've discovered our secret plot! Grr...now we have to hunt you down, and brainwash you with our Canadian money. Get you hooked on it, so you are dependant on us for your daily fix, and will therefore not dare to try to expose us in our heinous conspiracy to take over the world! Muahhahahahah!

PS: The timetable has now been moved up, due to this unmasking of our conspiracy. Prepare to be conquered! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

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yea we all have our lorne greene cards...

who knows what a chesterfield is ...

and who says roof anyways its ruf. which is above the foy-errr

I tell you what. the colour scheme is the same http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

p.s. I tell you what is not used up here in the great white north... also

Ask Atrocities how far south I am.... He was shocked http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Don't pee on it too much man it'll freeze lol :p

oooooh canadian moooooney preeeeeety http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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LOL!

And yet its still so easy to forge...oops, did I say that out loud?? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

(PS, I don't counterfeit money, just in case you were wondering! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif )

Hey Tesco, so how far south DO you live?? I'm about at the 54° North Latitude, how about you?

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I used to live at 65 north until I was 26, now I've taken up residence far south at 59 north.
The climate is much warmer, here I can still cut the lawn but up at my parents house they're out driving snow mobiles.

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43.40

if I was in France that would be Nice. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smirk.gif

I should move to Pelee Island

Then I would be on par with Napa Valley

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Wow, Tesco, you probably barely even get snow that far south!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif

Ruatha, due to the prevailing air currents, Scandinavian countries (If I remember correctly) get a bit warmer weather than similar latitudes in Canada. Your 59 North is probably equal to my 54 North. Do you get temperatures down to at least -40 degrees Celcius every year, at least once? That should be a fairly accurate guage of relative temperatures http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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-40 where in bc do you live ???

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The cold part? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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Hmmm... returning to tyhis thread after a few weeks' absence (haven't checked it since my Last post) and it seems i kicked off a bit of a storm. Sorry everyone for kicking all this off and then disappearing. Too much has been said (and the heat has died down too much for me to want to stir things up again) for me respond to any comment or person individually but I'll say the following:

Fyron has pretty accurately summed up the mood of my flippant "revolution" comment. You need to break the two-party system, and neither of the two parties are likely to do that without a gun against their head. I'm not seriously suggesting you literally put a gun against anyone's head, but there are more kinds of revolution than up-against-the-wall civil wars. Any major and fundamental change in the way things are done is, by definition, a revolution, and that is exactly what you guys need.

If Katchoo has seriously left the Boards as an indirect result of what I said, then I am truly sorry to everyone, because Katchoo is (was?) a major asset to this community. I will email him and humbly ask him to come back. I would ask anyone else who feels they may have participated in his decision to leave to do the same.

I personally believe the war on Iraq is a crusade. Bush and- more importantly- the neocon puppetmasters behind him, really seem to believe that they are perfectly justified in imposing their values on the rest of the world. Just read the NPAC if you don't believe me. I can't be arsed to dig around for the precise quote right now but Bush has also made some very scary comments and references that imply that he does believe he's on a "mission from God" (said in Best Blues Brothers impersonation) to cleanse the middle East of heathens. He's certainly said on several occasions that God has told him to do stuff. ("God told me to strike at Saddam" etc)
I'm sorry if that's not what you want to hear Starhawk, and I'm sorry for your berieved friend, but the people who should be even sorrier are all the bastards with the power and will to pay for their own goals in other peoples' blood.

Finally, I want to say that I've met a lot of Canadians and they were almost all very nice people.

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YOU DAMN CANADIANS YOU GOT HIM TOOOOOO!

Meh Dogscoff your free to your opinion I don't agree with some of it but you are, no hard feelings http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif