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First off TSR-2 was aviation grade ally-copper alloy, not titanium. No problem there.

As for the costs, you've paid the development costs, so the choice for TSR-2 was, build it or go F-111. As it turned out F-111 had cost overruns, indeed massive cost overruns, so the UK pulled out and brought some F-4s. For the money spunked on F-111 and buying F-4s you could of built as many TSR-2s as you wanted.

The money was there for new planes. I know you can get a bit 'US is best' blinded Thermy, but are you seriously saying you'd take F-4s over TSR-2s?

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Again, resorting to insults does not support your argument. And you're doing it in every post: calling 9x users stupid and clueless. You've shown me--and anyone else who disagress with you--nothing but contempt and hostility. I can only conclude that it's just something you do to make you feel better about yourself, and hope that you don't carry over this hostility to your workplace.

An attacker getting his hands physically on a machine is the worst possible thing that could happen to any machine regardless of the OS. It WILL be compromised. Yes, time taken will vary, but it will not remain secure, full stop. This is why we have physical security measures as well as software.

To me it sounds like you believe in 100% security. You make it sound as if you believe XP in the enterprise is nigh invincible. I hope it isn't true, but your post sure sounds like it.

I am not a mindless MS basher. I think they have made some fundamental mistakes. Their patching is slow but I understand why it is and I don't fault them for it. Personally, I hate XP, it's only made life harder for me. I applaud Microsoft's recent efforts in the security arena. You on the other hand come across the same way as those rabid Firefox fans.

My point is, 98 and ME are still viable operating systems and should not be discounted simply because they do not contain the kitchen sink, nor should their users be subject to the flames you so enjoy spewing and the signs you dearly love. As to your opinion, well, we know what those are like.

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ME is not a viable operating system, as it crashes every chance you get. It mananged to crash as it was connecting to the internet. How the heck does it manage that?

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Thermodyne said:
People can hate anything they want, but they should be able to support their position.

And they do. All the time. You just choose to read it how you want to and add lots of personal attacks and insults so that your own worldview will not be threatened. There is no reason for calling us idiots and other such things. Learn to respond without the insults, or agree to disagree. Please stop posting in this thread if you can not do so without the flames. Thank you.

And Sivran, that was cutting it rather close as well.

Let's try to be civil here...

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I never said I had the skills to compromise a computer that I had physical access to. But there are many that do. Physical security is by far the most important layer of security.

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NullAshton said:
ME is not a viable operating system, as it crashes every chance you get.

ME can be perfectly stable, if you avoid installing 16 bit programs and drivers. More difficult to achieve than with 98, but definitely within the realm of the possible. Also, IE should be avoided on it just like on 95 and 98.

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EDIT: Stupid post removed

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Whoa there fella, I don’t recall insulting anyone but Sivran. And that was only do to his original post were he stated that 98 was more secure than 2K/XP. Personally, I think that that type of misinformation should be discredited by the most direct and harshest means available. 9x compromises don’t make the news; so many uninformed people assume that it is safe. Also, the deployed base is not really a high value target these days. With worms getting all the press, it has been forgotten that TSR’s were the favored attack against 9x. And with a TSR, you can achieve the same end result as a worm has on XP.

Most people think that with access they can use a program to reset the administrator account password or that the can boot to another OS and access the file system. This is not true today. It would probably still work on a home system, but not on a secure network. The biggest problem today is biological compromise such as users writing down their username and password on a post it and then sticking it to the monitor or keyboard. This and HIPPA are probably going to force us to move to a biometric form of authentication. Data interception is another area that is vulnerable, that’s why you see wire mesh on the outsides of some government buildings and super sensitive sites have no offices with exterior wall exposure.

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One thing that should never be talked about on a public forum:

OS's

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It doesn't matter if it was one person. Flames are _never_ the way to respond to anything you disagree with. Also, it should be noted that Sivran is far more than your "average user."

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Sivran, again you have me saying things that I never said. In the future please include quotes if you choose to put words in my mouth. Secondly, you don’t have a clue as to who I am or what I am like. From your post, I would have to assume that you are now speaking for everyone else. Wouldn’t that be a bit of a reach? In your first post, you clearly indicated that 98 was less vulnerable than XP/2K. And I choose to continue to state that this is not true. And since you have chosen to fall back on the defense of your personal honor, rather than post facts to support your position, I can only assume that you have none to post. Also, why do you continue to defend yourself on points that are not part of the discussion that you and I are having. This whole thing is about your statement, by example, that 98 is more secure than XP. So unless you intend to support your statement, just let it drop. But if you choose to continue, I’ll reply to every post and bring the topic back to your opening statement until such time as you choose to address it. I can respect anyone’s opinion if it is based in fact. I can even respect a person that is willing to make a good argument of their position when it is based on opinion. But you have yet to do either. Saying that your grand dad still uses 98 does not support your position, even though I would assume that he is a fine gentleman. You don’t have to agree with me, but you should at least have the nards to support your position with fact, or bow out. Hell, it’s no shame to have a position that is based only on your experience with the subject at hand, but you should include that with the statement. So, if you choose to continue this, you might as well address the issue in question, or you will get very tired of me continuing to bring it up.

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I know that, Ive seen him around some other forums I belong to. But the fact remains that the point of his first post is dead wrong, and something that shaould have never been posted by a user of his experiance.

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It seemed pretty clear to me that he was talking about the two "out of the box".
XP was pretty famous for its RPC exploits, and the "joy" of going online to get updates to protect you from online stuff.

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That was quite the most confused post I've ever seen, I wasn't entirely sure which aircraft you were talking about. Several in one confused mess I think. But frankly as it ranged across several topics I don't actually know.

Here's what I think your saying. Because the US had problems with high speed planes, everyone else would have. So the British govement should have spent the money defending US cities. I know you are US centric, but I hope that is a mistake.

Anyway TSR-2 wasn't an interceptor. Hence the name "Tactical Strike and Reconnisance". Notice the absence of any interceptor term. I agree calling it an interceptor makes it easier to trash, but it isn't one. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Given that nobody wanted TSR-2 interceptor and the F-4s weren't used as interceptors quite where you got that idea from I have no idea.

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Man, this thread is like going to a fight (Vista) and a hockey game (aircraft) breaks out! Everybody has their own opinions on just about everything, that's why we come here, TO SHARE THEM. In the end you will still form an opinion and probably logoff continuing to believe it! Life goes on.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif Quote: ( Forest Gump " It Happens"

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Well as our other topics go off on wild tangents with regular topic changes, why shouldn't this one?

You do learn something but, as you say, rarely change an opinion. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

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Argg………Sorry, I transposed the TSR-2 with the CF-105, so the post makes no cense at all. My bad and I apologize.

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Vista Features, well its been about week or since i ran across this bit so momory is vague. Vista has a feature Called "Chimney" its ome kind of network performance ehancement Feature integrated into the OS and it does as advertised, Given that MS looking at a pending injuction of the sale of Vista for the stolen software. They ripped off a compnay they had been dealing with for 2 years claiming they where no longer interested in the product.MS settled pretty quick so the that new feature is still in there. I wish i remebered the name company in question, because that would make a search for that case easy.
Guess that one was also not signed off on by the lawyers, among others.

here are the links to the 2 articles:
http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews...13_201313.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews...13_182601.html

oh theres another case that MS lost along similir lines.
MS's defense the copying was being done out side the US so now infringement was occuring AT&T was the victim.
Yes Vista may be better than XP but it still has its pit falls.

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What's with all the links to this tom's hardware lately?
The pages are nothing but 2 or 3 sentences, plus a link to the REAL article on a different site. And all surrounded by ads... Ugh. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

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So what your saying is that if I install Vista on my computer and run an anti-virus program, it may just remove Vista? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif
I'm waiting for the follow up to Vista, "Gates 13.0" the first few versions weren't exactly right!

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Vista/Longhorn seems highly evil to me. M$ intends to continue leveraging its monopoly to get people subscribing and paying them regularly for the priviledge of using their latest bloatware, which in turn will do its best to deny them the right to copy data freely and privately.

XP is already worse than bad enough for my tastes.

I use Win98SE at home because I already have licenses for it, it doesn't insist I register or activate it nor monitor my hardware changes to see if it should force me to re-activate it. I find Win98SE to be clean and lightweight and stable (when I control the machine, as opposed to what can happen from installing tons of crap and stuff from the web, etc), and it runs practically every program I really want.

I like Win2K Client too and also use it. Win2003 Client I find far less annoying than XP.

I'm liking my Linux machines more and more, though.

PvK