Re: CB 5.2 released
 

You're welcome.

Re: CB 5.2 released
 

Woot! Arryn, nice to see you're still around - happy new year, and thanks! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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I just checked 5.2 and it doesn't seem like anything is done for Wights. They are good but nobody uses them. I guess because death gems have so many other (better) users. I was wondering about lowering the cost a gem or two per wight to make them slightly more attractive.

Re: CB 5.2 released
 

I really like Lictors, or Wights, or whatever they are... heavy armor, high strength, cold radiance... it's much easier on the gem economy to produce Longdead Horsemen, though... more bang for your buck when you have a high-path pretender or kitted Thaummaturg. I still reanimate them when I get the chance.

Re: CB 5.2 released
 

lictors are the ones that can be reanimated, wights are the etheral ones iirc

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Wights are not etheral. Both Lictors and Wights are heavy armor, high strength, cold radiance. Wights have bane blades and better prot (22 vs 16). Lictors have battle axes and are summoned from AE. Wights are avaliable to anyone. But no one summons them... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

Re: CB 5.2 released
 

cudve sworn wights were etheral, and i think no-one summons them due to things like banelords being around

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Wight Lords are different from the plain Wights. There are non-commander Banes as well, IIRC.

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Wight lords? Non-commander banes? The wee Banes are commanders as well, and it's kinda silly that the physically simiar Wights only cost 3 gems less than full-fledged Banes. I once make an army of banes and wights, because I obviously had nothing better to do with my death gems and onyx amazons. They did pretty well vs indies, though I did take too many eventual losses to make them worth it compared to a good ol' Bane Lord. I just wish the Wights didn't cost so much, or were easier to summon (give the revenants something to do!)

Re: CB 5.2 released
 

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/redface.gif I just realized, Wraith Lords are ethereal... but they aren't Wights.

I haven't actually summoned Banes in a long time. I had forgotten they were commanders as well.

Re: CB 5.2 released
 

Some T'ien Chi suggestions for the mod:

Better starting commanders: T'ien Chi has hands down the worst starting commanders of any nation. A scout and a eunuch - total gold value 45. And the eunuch is an utterly useless unit. Give them a General instead.

Better eunuchs: Cut the cost to 20, give them map-move 2 and consider making them sacred.

Altered resource requirements: The Red Guards have a higher resource cost than the Imperial cavalry, despite having the exact same equipment...

Re: CB 5.2 released
 

Found a bug in cb 5.2:

The line to edit Triton Knight is using the wrong monster number (577), which is for the Triton Trooper. I think this might also set the second shape incorrectly. The correct number for Triton Kinght is 1060, according to the documentation (which appears correct, only the .dm file is wrong).

Re: CB 5.2 released
 

I'm sorry, but could someone please tell me how to install the CB mod? I didn't see any instructions in the zip file. Also, I'm unclear as to why there are 2 different downloads for the mod. (Post 1 and 2)
I'm new to the game so would appreciate your help.
Thanks
Gin

Re: CB 5.2 released
 

first thing you need to do is check wherever you installed dominions for a "mods" folder. if its there, all you need to do is unzip the .dm file to the mods folder and the .tga(or whatever it is) into the maps folder.(if its not there, just create a new folder named mods and do the same thing)

go into dominions, select preferences --> Mods, then enable the 5.2CB, and your set!

Re: CB 5.2 released
 

Thank you!
Gin

Re: CB 5.2 released
 

I'm wondering too ... why the heck does TC's starting commanders suck so terribly compared to everyone else's starting? The starting commanders should all be somewhat equal in cold cost ...

Re: CB 5.2 released
 

You think so? I think it should be the nations should be equal to each other, but not necessarily the starting commanders.

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alright if that's true ... then why the heck does Vanheim have such a vastly superior starting commanders compared to base TC? It's not exactly like TC is the epitome of broken or Vanheim is the suck.

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Maybe the right way to "fix" TC is with starting commanders. I wouldn't know. I just don't think that

makes for as fun of a game. For me, the more different nations play, the better.

Re: CB 5.2 released
 

Questions:
Reviewing the CB 5.2 readme text of the changes and I have some questions.

1) Why has AIM been given Precision of 100?? I believe the original 5 was way too low... but an increase to 100 seems way too much. That's giving a mage perfection at casting.... a bonus of 22 feels more accurate. lvl_1 alteration

2) Why is Baleful Star only 1 astral?? Reading the spell description I believed this spell gave a percentage chance for troops to be cursed in the target province... for 1 astral that's way too good of a deal. Perhaps I'm wrong on what the spell does. lvl_5 alteration

3) I don't see why the spell heal had it's distance reduced by half. Was the spell really too powerful before?
lvl_3 enchantment

4) Why were Foul Air and Lure of the Deep dropped so drastically in gem price?? Seems too extremely easy to get these nasty spells up. lvl_6&7 thaumaturgy

5) Why is the Ivy King more equal in stats with a Vine Ogre?? (Sea)Trolls are not more equal in stats with (Sea)Troll Kings. summoned monster

6) One of the Ice Devils originally had fire immunity which is not listed in the readme text file. Why has his fire immunity been removed for that specific Ice Devil??


The other changes all look good or great from the quick review I finished.

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quick comment: Bog Beasts should have higher morale otherwise they usually quickly flee.

Re: CB 5.2 released
 

Aim provides a boost of 5 precision. The 100 precision on the spell represents the accuracy with which the aim spell will hit the target grid square that the mage that casts it wants it to hit. With the old precision on aim, it could miss, which made it pretty useless compared to eagle eyes.

It will curse about a dozen troops, which is really weak for the original cost.

They are very situational, and both use gems that would be much better spent on other things given the original cast. Have you ever seen a game won or lost because of either spell?

Balance purposes. The ice devils were taken down to -50% fire resistance.

Re: CB 5.2 released
 

The ice devil still has it, or at least they do in whatver version of CB we're using in CoW

Re: CB 5.2 released
 

Trust me, it's still plenty difficult to get it cast on the right thing. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

This was a bit overkill boosting, next version it will be somewhere between base and this.
Not sure what you mean, I can't mod spell range if I wanted to.
I have yet to see either cast apart from by the AI, so we'll see.
I belive many of the ivy king stats were already better than vine ogres.
Possibly since IIRC his hellsword was removed at some stage of the lifedrain balancing.
I'll look into it.

Re: CB 5.2 released
 

Graeme Dice...
I don't follow on the AIM spell... just from the readme document it looks like the precision bonus went from +5 to +100.
If it does a fixed amount between 10-14 units then it should still be 2 astral since a curse is forever. Also I believe the spell causes increased bad luck as well.
However, if the spell does a percentage based on the number of units in the province the cost should be closer to 4 or 5.

I've had or seen many many commander-types, even strong ones, vanish because of the Lure of the Deep spell. For many maps this spell is quite a deal for 40gems.

I hope you're right... there was one ice devil where part of his character was being immune to fire. Sad if that was taken away.


Anyone have an answer for question#5 ?

Re: CB 5.2 released
 

You can't change the bonus precision that aim provides. WHat you can change is the precision that the mage that casts aim uses to determine where the aim spell lands.

A curse is also mostly irrelevant unless it's on one of your SCs.

It only targets a single province, so it's still usually not worthwhile to spend any gems on it.

Have you ever lost a game because somebody cast it? It's got an actual cost of several hundred water gems if you want it to last more than a couple of turns.

Re: CB 5.2 released
 

Just a note, baleful star also causes 30 unrest which is why in this version it is overpowered.

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do they stack? if so just drop 4 stars on each of the enemys production centres (or his capitol if he relys on capitol only). this would actually make domes worthwhile (maybe)

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sounds fine I guess... is there any difference between eagle eye and aim ?? Perhaps a future version can make some type of difference between the two. Just a suggestion.

Yes consider the unrest, drop in luck and cursing of units this seemed like quite a deal. Excellent to hear the next version will have an adjustment. Do you know if the cursing of units does a percentage or a fixed amount??

my mistake here... I thought 10ft meant feet as in distance... now I see it means fatique.

Yes... but according to the last readme file the stats of the vine ogres for protection and defense now match the stats of the ivy king. Previously the ivy king was higher... why was this set as equal?
Perhaps +1 and -1 on each side to show a difference.

Well just to return this one specific ice devil his character... shouldn't his fire immunity be returned? Otherwise it conflicts with the information about him.

Thanks for checking into this... I did many tests with these creatures but found them not useful because they would usually flee.

Re: CB 5.2 released
 

Eagle Eye being caster-only isn't sufficient of a difference? It means the difference between a mage trying to cast aim on a slinger (and missing), and having the spell cast on himself.

Side note : IMO it'd be a great idea to make flight have a precision 100 as well. Nothing like having a lone unit with precision 20 casting flight and missing ... his size 6 self.

CB 5.4
 

Just giving this thread a bump, see the new version.

Re: CB 5.4
 

Again, no updated readme, so here are some highlights of the new version:

*Banes, wights, reanimation, and bog beasts cheaper.

*Spectres and black servants slightly more expensive

*Summon shade beasts cheaper and more research

*Lesser elementals are now conjuration one

*Wild Growth needs less research

*Vine ogres 2 gems, back to 5 protection

*Seldom used high level spells like doom, quickening, wailing winds, wind of death, siege golem, juggernaut and carrion reanimation made less research

*Golems require higher research (to balance out juggernaut and siege golem moving down in research)

*Improved cross breeding cheaper

*Nerfs on soul contacts, vampire lords, and fever fetishes toned down

*Call horror and lesser horror cheaper, send lesser horror cheaper

*Agony 100 precision and needs only blood one

*Flames from the sky lightly more expensive, and murdering winter slightly more research

*Shimmering fields, flame storm and niefel flames less research; wrathful skies fire storm more research

*7-9 armor light infanty and militia more expensive

*Ulm black lords and lord guardians have standards

*Resource bug fixed

*Shark knight bug fixed

Re: CB 5.4
 

i like me the sounds of those

Re: CB 5.4
 

Re: CB 5.4
 

i was wondering the same thing

Re: CB 5.4
 

Yes, it is now 5 gems.

Re: CB 5.4
 

good, seems more worthy of its effect (with the unmodded cost at 13 gems iirc)

Changes between 5.4 and 5.2
 

Here is a list of changes between 5.4 and 5.2 that I compiled. Most of these are changes to the base, or tweaks. Enjoy!

Re: Changes between 5.4 and 5.2
 

can i suggest lowering the robe of invunerabilitys cost a little (by 10-20 gems maybe) because i know it makes who-ever wears it really tough but for 80 gems i dont think anyone makes them. ever.

Re: Changes between 5.4 and 5.2
 

unless they are hella holding dwarven hammers and maybe on a construction site, and maybe a smith/cyclops of some sort

Re: Changes between 5.4 and 5.2
 

smith with hammer of the forge lord, in that very hard to find site with 50% const bonus with forge of the ancients up. thats 125% bonus before adding the forge of the anciens http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

Re: Changes between 5.4 and 5.2
 

yeah but it caps out at some point

Re: Changes between 5.4 and 5.2
 

It caps out at 1 gem, I thought?

80 gems is a lot, but 30 prot for 0 enc is nothing to sneeze at. Plus if you are making the robe, you can make a hammer so you should never pay full price. Tough call if its worth it.

Re: Changes between 5.4 and 5.2
 

i'm not sure i've even seen one made... but 40 gems might be too cheap

/shrug