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Gandalf - please don't edit people's posts to insert your own commentary. A seperate post would do the trick and be less confusing.
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Ouch I didnt mean to do that. Im very sorry. The two buttons are too close to each other. I will try to fix it back as much as I can. Thanks for pointing it out to me.
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Adding save/restore is a headache. It has to work on all 3 operating systems which do things very diferently. It needs to be safe so it wont accidently hurt the persons machine in some way. It will need to offer some sort of cleanup of old files which is always dangerous. And it probably should recognize the difference between a local game or a server game so that the person doesnt get unreasonable expectations. |
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You are correct that tweaking the AI can be a forever project but the code is already there and is OS generic. |
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I wonder if anyone will mod in a downloadable save-game feature already so that this thread will ever end?
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I thought it was already done?
Dom2 had many different versions. Batch, script, javascript, vpscript, and perl if I remember right. I think that even Dom1 had some. Edited: found a couple of old threads. old thread Older Thread |
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So let me get this strait:
1) It's really easy to back up files. You could create a simple batch file to do it and it would be easy to whip up a mod that would do it as well. 2) It's too complex for the designers to patch it into the game. ????? That line of reasoning doesn't make much sense. |
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I'm for a save game feature, although I doubt I would use it. I think it would make the game less intimidating for newcomers, and more friendly to casual single-player gamers.
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Here is one for you: open the dom3 directory click into the savedgames directory hit Ctrl-A then hit Ctrl-C then hit Ctrl-V Vuala! Backups of all of your saved games! (disclaimer: works in WinXp. Dont know about others) Its not what I use but it might be good for others. |
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Here is the version that I use:
right-click on the Dom3 icon go to properties at the end of the target line (after the quotes if there are any) add --preexec pre.bat --postexec post.bat then go to the Dom3 directory and right-click into the files list and choose "New->text file". type in xcopy /yes savedgames oldsaves /i then save it as pre.bat It will copy all of the games to a backup everytime that the game hosts any of the games. Actually I have many more lines in my pre.bat file and many more in my post.bat file. They do file checks, record the date/time so I can get an idea of how long processing takes, checks my alarm file and shuts down the game at important times like when I need to get my kid off the bus, it talks, all kinds of stuff. Im debating having it load a key file to add some new keystrokes to the game but I probably shouldnt since I would forget which are standard keys and Id give wrong answers here. |
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I've only used saves for trying to understand game mehanics and spell effect, but those are the keystrokes I used. I was too lazy to create a batch program. Still I bet that most Windows games that have an in-game backup mechanism can also be backed up by those same commands. |
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I think this is probably the best solution-not a good solution, but the best for the circumstances-that, rather than implore the Devs to shoehorn a feature they don't find appealing in, we take it upon ourselves to find a solution that might not be the best polished little ivory button in Computerland, but gives the people some of what they want, and shows favorably on our little community as being helpful and responsive-which isn't a bad thing all around. If that doesn't satisfy everyone, then atleast we've done everything in our power to lend a helping hand.
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Actually I can't create my own Save System. You can call me pathetic, this specific area is just not my expertise. Badger: After reviewing what you said, honestly, albiet may be 2 late, didn't wish to put implications of vigiliance. Honestly, I have a perfectly controlled sense of emotion but coupled with an inability to understand others without facial expressions, any conclusion can come from within my words, for they tend to be very Oblivious from page to page. Futhermore, I am not a Bibilical Nut, just Catholic, there is a Difference, look it up. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smirk.gif And a....the Tyranny part was simply Rhetoric just to keep the people off my back for having a Dissenting opinion Anyway, pressing for a solution that I percieve the "community" might want (even though I am seperate from this community) I am reluctant to give one. But nevertheless you asked (to no harmful intention) The problem with making a solution that SP/MP are totally not the same thing, hence I could give an SP solution easily, but an MP solution is hellva lot more tricky. The Whole Idea is how I want to be able to Test the Waters of my actions and the whole idea of what you want is not to leave from the game as the Developer's intended, at least that is what I percieve. A solution could be a "in-game feature" known as "Wisdom", only avalible to High Level Astral Mages where you pay a huge sum amount of money+Astral Gems to be able to simuliate one battle of your choice, and it would tell you who the victor is for that simulation only, meaning it would not tell you the extent nor would it tell you the "Real" battle, in luie with mythology, Heroes could only defy the fates for so long. The Payment scales Horrondesly and no Wizard (Pretender) can do it more then Twice and it has a chance of killing the Wizard (Pretender) outright and it has a chance of giving the Reverse Outcome. I don't want to shoot my own idea down but I feel like it's one of those Features, high-maintance and incredibly cool and might be impossible, but I'm not sure because these guys are good at programming from what I've seen. From the Chinese, to the Greeks, to the peoples of the Triple Alliance (Tenochitlian, Tetzcoco, Tlacopan) this thing would be totally awesome, considering that ANY true mythology devulged diviniation as that of the highest priortity. Tenochitilan and Rome were built purely by Oracles and I'm sure almost any event would come in mind 2. [censored], even Christianity was adopted in Rome when "God" came from the heavens to ensure victory for Constantine by painting the Holy Cross on the Legonary Shield. That's an idea. Many things could go wrong with this solution, but in reality, the Oracles pretty much dictated every war including REAL war like the Greeks and Persians. You cannot go anywhere without the "real" Pretender Gods making sure that they are "going to win". The best part of the Idea is of cours, that you bring yourself ever more closer to "Real Mythology". Another solution would be to allow a Save Game feature choice to those who want it in SP. (Have to throw it in there) A Third Solution is where you can pay to Save your Game in SP(Have to throw in there) So yes, the Oracle idea in summary would look like this, To do Wisdom. -High Level Astral Mage -Requires Astral Gems and Lots of Gold -The Cost Scales Results -Being able to simulate one battle and know who the winner is. No other details revealed Alternative Outcomes -Oracle gives unsure answer (meaning no conclusion. "It will be a very big battle) -Oracle gives the wrong answer (Regardless of what the true outcome is.) -Oracle dies. (Death from Vision or Drowns in the well water, pick your poision http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif) Further Constrictions -Cannot be spammed by the same High level Caster -The Level requirement also goes up as well. That's an idea that I think something in which you could like... This is one of those kinds of requests were only a game like this could pull off succesfully, truthfully. |
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I find the idea of a spell that simulates battles incredibly interesting! This is really almost a completely seperate issue from the save game... but what a neat idea! I'd say the battle would be completely visible (as if it was real). Probably mid level astral spell. Maybe astral 5, 20 gems. Pick two provences. Spell plays out battle from army in provence 1 attacking army in provence 2. I'm not sure of the difficulty in implementing it. It possible that it could be fairly attainable... if they can simply que up a battle as normal but not "save" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif any of the results. What a cool spell that would be. Simulating a possible reality. |
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Newthought, I wasn't trying to accuse you of being a "biblical nut", quite the contrary, I was just accusing you of using the power of religion to your own purposes-done often enough by politicians who are more in tune with peoples' worst fears than they are with their best hopes.
If anyone's a "bible nut" it's me, I study-well, what I term "Christian occultism" as in the Nephilim and Antedeluvian/deluvian myths and I actually read the Bible a long time ago. I read Genesis several times through-it's quite good. I equate the Bible with the Lord of the Rings-rather stupifyingly dull if you try to read the whole thing through in one sitting, and not concerning itself with "historical facts" but a logical mythos full of the most fascinating and tantalizing subjects and hints of subjects-and it's easy enough to want it to be real. Both were also obviously written in the world we all share and both are full of rich and detailed history, as well as visions of other places, times, and people powerful enough to capture our deepest yearning. Again, worst fears and best hopes, but then that's how to grab hold of people. Anyway, let's forget about it and move on. It is indeed quite a good idea. I think such a thing should let you see maybe 5 rounds of a given battle per astral path level of the mage in question. A 15th level mage could then view all 75 rounds of a large battle. I think it would be difficult to program in though, but Space Empires IV is famous for it's battle-simulator tool, so such a thing is not beyond the reach of a small development team. Along the saved game lines, perhaps certain games with "victory points" could allow a game to be saved whenever a certain amount of points are reached, and then increase the "cost" to save the game, to a higher amount of points. In a 25 point game, you could save when you capture 5 points, when your opponent captures 8, when somebody else captures 13, when the first player captures 21, and victory at 25. This would be a specific breed of game, which would appeal to certain groups of players that are perhaps large, but can only meet maybe once a week or so, and want to replay important turning points in the game. I am not really against giving the Hosts of (especially, large) MP games the ability to save games. This could in the right hands be an important tool for role-playing, kind of like giving the Host DM/GM powers. It could also ease the upset that can be caused by real-world events-if someone dynamically involved in the game is forced to leave, why not restart the game at an earlier point before that person left suddenly in order to smooth things over? Save games do have a place in computer games, that's why so many people are asking for them. I'm for keeping them in that place though, and rather than making it a choice whether to save or not save a given game, by making it so easy to do-instead making it a choice whether or not a given player wants to make that function available to themselves, and a part of their game. I think there should be a way for someone to download that option, if they want it, but it's no more valid an option than a mod. Maybe the Devs could charge a few bucks for it, and make a little added money on the side? That way we who don't want it-or atleast don't want it casually-in our games, have a good solid excuse not to obtain it? |
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At top, that's exactly what the Catholic mantra is. We don't take the Bible literally, we take it in parables, otherwise people can get really wierd.
At FUMA (A Baptist Military School), we were taught "Intelligent Design" in Geometry. If I can try to articulate what your saying, I think what your saying is great...albiet let's not go crazy over the charging, (they may be small, but not the souless entity of X-box Live) I'd love to have a GM that would manage Multiplayer games, but I don't know what kind of responsibility he would have that couldn't be solved through Voting but what would I know. To further the Oracle Idea, I bring a page from THE AZTECS by Richard F. Townsend. It's long but I'm cutting sentenaces "Divination, the art of forseeing future even to discovering Hidden knowledge through Supernatural means (interesting), was a standard feature of...ancient civilizations All people seek to know the Uknowable, to control the uncontrollabe, or to make confident choice about a difficult devision. Like the Greeks, Romans, and the Chinese, the Aztecs believed in the portentous meaning of omenss and auguries in the Natural World. The pattern of diverse phenomena which appear to coincide were percieved as high meaningful- auguring good or evil, succes or failure for a propsed endeavour. In Greece, no king or commander would dare take a major course of action without consulting one of the many famous oracles. Roman Genereals similiarly sacraficed Bullocks in order to read...the triumph or defeat of a paticular campaign...." They would read the livers. "...The I Ching, a book of wisdom already old when Confucious wrote it, is where coins and thrown and as they land it is interepeted by the book" But it's a bit more conserative. "The Aztec Tonalpohuallis (The 365 day calender), is presented by a traditional form of Calendrical divionation still used in Shirnes practiced in Guatemala...candles are lit and copla incence is burned as an offering. Using Coral Seeds and crystals, the day keeper will make arrangements in lots of four, counting out the days of the 260 day calendar. One day is assigned each lot, starting from the current day, or the day where the client's problem began. This is the beginning complex process of Interpretation, though which the daykepper's client will recieve counsel on the course of action revealed by the time-count the pattern of seeds and crytsals..." I Ching Style.... Not like I'm trying to campaign it or what not, but like when good Badger asked for an idea, I just used what was in my head to meet him in this interesting circumstance. Personally, I also feel like there needs to be a New Dominion that should be a Mod. A Good (Representing Holy Priests and Noble Warriors) And the Evil Spectrem (Representing a Realm of Fear with Undead Hordes and Sadistic Blood Magic Practices). I don't feel comfortable in starting a New Thread and Saying "DO THIS", I just want to share it. ---------------------------------- Keeping Gameplay in mind, it would look like this, Good 3- Divine Magic +2, Morale +2 In ability to cast Death and Blood Magic Primary Spells, -50% income off of Death and Blood Gems. Good 2- Divine Magic +2, Morale +1, Greater Penalty to Death and Blood Magic Good 1- Divine Magic +1, Morale +1 Penalty to Death and Blood Magic Neutral- None Evil 1- Divine Magic -1, Morale -1, Bonus to Death and Blood Magic. Evil 2- Divine Magic -1, Morale -2, Bigger Bonus to Death and Blood Magic. Evil 3- Divine Magic -2, Morale -2, Slightly Greater bonus then above to Death and Blood Magic, Generate Death Gems and more Blood Maidens. Again the Numbers are just relative, the +'s in Divine reprsent bonuses to Divine Spells, not their casting levels. (No lowly priest will be able to Smite, but even he will cast sermons of Courage with envogration.) A Pure Good God gets powerful noble troops off for a cause that would bring them to brink of matyrism, even the Humble Troops fight to the end. Good Gods bring the rightoues word that enligthens powerful Priests that within the flick of a hand causes the hordes of dead to be banished within the realm by the True Word. But Good Gods rarely, if never, result in using Death and Blood Magic which profits off the blood and souls of thier victims. They are matrys, never murderers. (Imagine if you fought for JC, you'd be so Fantaical in nature that you die for others rather then to live for yourself.) Pure Evil Gods think little to nothing of Divine Magic, hence their is no implication of a greater cause other then their own self-gluttony. The Troops of evil Gods no matter their size and strength, have weak and soft hearts knowing that the only thing that brings them to fight is chains. It is as if there own shadows seek to bring them down. (Imagine if you fought for Loki, the Arcane Trickster whose own spies cause your demise) However, the Evil God's power within the Darkness and the Blood invoke their ability to summon hordes and hordes of Undead that march through the cornfields and bring wretched pain to villages. Their blood magic is so profond that the blood of the innocents flows through their body as if it was sweat. Their exotic charm invokes the innocent into their own demise. But even more vile is that Evil Gods, if pursuing an Evil stragety, have the advantage of more expertise and greater power and control to invoke greater forms of War. (hence, they get points for adopting their own "evil" stragety) --------------------------------------------------- Anyway, I have no disagreement in any shape or form with Badger's idea of activating and deactivating it. None. Make an On switch and I'm good for me. |
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Newthought, now that I've got you using your head instead of your mouth (or finger, since we're typing...and isn't that appropriate?) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif you're really on a roll. I like the idea of good/evil scales. Unfortunately, from what I've read, the Devs are against dividing the game into good and evil. But...perhaps if we shift the terminology a little.
I have one suggestion for the terms to use, Orthodox/Heretical (Please note that I'm using these words for effect more than for purposes of precise meaning.) In Orthodox dominions, populations are devout, strong in the Pretender's faith as it was originally spoken and interpreted, and fanatical in their commitment to the word of their God. Witches and heretics are burned at the stake, and sinners are often stoned to death for even-from the perspective of outsiders-minor infractions. There is no separation of church and state. Prayer-calls are heard throughout the cities, laws and rulers derive their power from sacred teachings, and the most powerful position in all the land under God is that of High Priest or Priestess. Orth 1: temples are 25% less expensive to build due to tithings and missionaries (300g for most nations, 150 for Pan and Man), Bless grants an additional +1 to Morale, +0.1 to Growth due to large families of believers being held in high esteem. Income 3% less (-3%) Resources 5% less (-5%) due to more land being held by the Church, more resources going to support the priesthood (none of whom have day-jobs), and more money going to support monasteries. Orth 2: as Orth 1 but +0.2 to Growth and +3% chance event is good, as prayers to the Pretender for good fortune are granted (that and they burn those old hags that keep cursing my troops). Income -6%. Resources -10% Orth 3: as Orth 1, 2, except temples are 50% less expensive to build, Bless now grants +2 to Morale (for a total of +4), +0.3 to Growth and 6% chance event is good. Income -12% Resources -15%. Heretical: In Heretical Dominions, the people still worship the Pretender, and many are extremely devout, but the population is divided into many different schools of thought, each convinced that their way is the "right" way to worship. All are welcome into these lands, and all are welcome to leave. The laws and power in these lands are upheld by secular authorities. Their is not one Church, but many, and the Churches pay taxes just like everybody else. They are also fully responsible to the law, just as any civilian body or business. The Churches takes advantage of this as well, requiring priests to not only spread the Word but to serve the church in productive, even menial, ways. Although direct violence by the Church against so-called "unbelievers" is much more rare-or even unheard-of, still this is a volatile, violent place where all manner of sects compete against each other, both with their words and in bloody street-brawls. Heret 1: Temples are 25% more expensive to build due to followers expecting to be paid for their labor (500g for most nations, 250g for Pangaea and Man). -1 Bless effect to Morale due to soldiers being less willing to give up their lives in the name of their Faith. Growth is unaffected but Research is -1 due to conflicting views about the nature and appropriateness of magic, and the lack of organized religious schools. +5% chance for a random event due to increased religious turmoil (chance it's good or bad is unaffected). Income +3% Resources +5% due to harder currency (the church doesn't hoard all the silver and gold in the form of religious icons), banking (usurage), and the ready disposal of goods and lands. Heret +2: as Heret +1 but 10% chance for a random event, Income +6% Resources +10%. Heret +3: as Heret +2 but Temples are 50% more expensive to build, -2 Bless effect to Morale (Bless grants no Morale bonus under Heret +3) Research -2, 15% chance of random event, Income +12%, Resources +15%. I think such a scale would be very appropriate for Dom3, especially with the impending introduction of Gath-which should be dealing with the Nephilim, according to my information. |
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It would seem to me that heresy would give a bonus to research, not a penalty. Organized religion clings to whatever idea has been been established, it is anathema to progress and discovery.
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In our modern times, maybe, when schools are government-funded, but not in midieval times when the Church was the major protector and provider of knowledge. Look through a few history books-many of the greatest thinkers of all time came out of or were connected to, the Church.
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The Church was also a great patron of the arts, and even the sciences, and not just Christianity either-science and art flourished under Muslim rule for a very long time, and Iraq-believe it or not-was at one time the book-capital of the world. The Jews also have a long history of scolasticism and certainly were and are proponents of religious schools, as are Catholics-there's a Catholic school in my home town, for instance.
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Islam was relatively tolerant of the sciences in medieval times, much more so than Christianity. Galileo was threatened with torture, Bruno Giordano was burned at the stake, etc.
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So you've got both sides of the same coin. On one hand Orthodox dominions are burning people at the stake, while on the other hand, they're promoting education-alongside religious indoctrination, ofcourse.
The Heretics on the other hand have so many different philosophies and are so disorganized and fueled by misinformation (look at the history of alchemy, for instance) that yes, they have a better economy that will eventually-in a few hundred or thousand years-turn out a fine public education system like we had in the 19th century, but right now is just confusing and deluding people. |
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Interestingly Im not sure which side of the coin you are calling heretics. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
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Oh Gandalf, I was actually just coming up with a game idea. I wasn't trying to insult anyone, overtly or subtley. It would have been pretty clever if I had though, but no, just taking Newthought's idea and running with it.
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I'm a fan of the game, so why shouldn't I feel "superior" for having bought and enjoyed a game, and participated in it's forum, without needing to
have something added to it that the Devs don't want to add? I'm not saying I'm superior because "I'm a white (more or less) male who has enough money to afford the game", I'm not saying that I'm superior because "I've played this game from the beginning, and I know how it's supposed to be played". I'm saying that I can enjoy something without it being just like everything else in it's genre, and I can work with or around the differences, and understand that where the game is limited, it's limited for reasons. I also have no problem arguing for change I feel would be valuable, or for a saved-game feature that would add-rather than detract from-my personal gaming experience. I really don't care for the modern concepts of "pride" as a wrong state to be in and "shame" as the correct and natural state, so-CONSIDERING that I strongly believe that everyone here is a complete and valuable human being worthy of respect to the extent that they allow it by their actions, totally regardless of gender, age, religion, number of limbs/eyes/ears/fingers, skin-tone, what have you, I have no problem with feeling superior when I act in a way I consider to be "superior". |
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Then you shouldn't be complaining about others feeling that way, because obviously, we're not acting in a valid way, according to your own, private, reality.
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I always feel superior when my team Man U wins. I also feel pretty good about playing and owning Dom3 as well, especially as 99% of video game players do not even know Dom3 exists. Both help brighten my day...
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I would agree with you about football fans, but that's because I don't enjoy football all that much (I even used to play it, and didn't like it much then, either), but as a fan of Dom3 I agree with Meglobob.
It brightens up my day, what's the problem with that? Do I have a tattoo of Johan K and Kristoffer O on my chest? no. Did I sign up for the monthly Illwinter newsletter and cheese plate? no. Am I planning a trip to Sweden? not in the forseeable future. I'm a fan, not a crazy person, and I don't think there's anything wrong with feeling good about that, or even "having an attitude" about that. Especially considering there's a whole world out there that we who are Dom3 fans have to stick up for Dom3 against at times, if we're going to promote it successfully. If you want to feel wishy-washy (ambivalent) about owning and playing Dom3, feel free, that's your choice. I'd rather feel enthusiastic and excited and proud. That's my choice. |
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Yes, I have, Alexti. And for that matter, in this case I'm "supporting the team" by purchasing the game, promoting it, creating mods, submitting ideas, answering questions, being available on the boards on a more or less daily basis, etc. I think that atleast qualifies me as a volunteer part-time assistant Dom3 coach?
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About the Good/Evil Dominion thing, on a Gameplay scale I was trying to figure out a way to improve Divine castors and Morales of Troops (Because at the start of the game, this is Impossible.) I was also thinking about how people want to mass Dead units or go crazy with Blood. What I thought that people might like was to make a Dominion that implemented a Realm of Nobility and Clergy to a realm of Black Magic, Ritualistic Sacrifices, and Troops ruled through the shadow. The Good and Evil thing doesn't cover it as much as Love------------------------------------------Cruelty Bonuses to Penalties to Morale Morale Divine Casting Divine Casting Penalties to Bonuses to Death and Blood Magic Death and Blood Magic That would be wicked, a Love-Cruelty spectrem. An even better proposal. But no more on this. ------------------------------------------------------ I thought we were in Agreement about the Save things??? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif "I think there should be a way for someone to download that option, if they want it, but it's no more valid an option than a mod. Maybe the Devs could charge a few bucks for it, and make a little added money on the side? That way we who don't want it-or atleast don't want it casually-in our games, have a good solid excuse not to obtain it? " Sure! If you think Saving Games are generally against the game and hamper quaility, then please think of it like that. I'm not arguing on whether or not it's a bad thing, I just want the feature. So in reality, we could put a feature that is not part of the Game into reality and call it whatever so people know that when there using saves there not playing the true game and have no right to complain about the game if they say ANYTHING about it! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif But still, unless anyone says so, I think we have made a Geniunine solid compromise. Easy Part is done. Now the real question is, HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO IT? Few Ideas on the Table. 1. Send a Petition and a letter to encorporate a feature for Saves that can be downloaded in a seperate pack/sequel. 2. Or make a Mod that allows us to do it. So yes, what's left is to take action. That's all! |
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I dont think there is an agreement at all. Most people said no then walked away from the discussion.
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Id never put unlimited options into a menu http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
But the method we have now (--preexec and --postexec) allows for fairly unlimited options in areas such as alarms and saves and event handling. Half a dozen versions of any of those are offered. Yet people will still call it no options at all unless those things are on a menu someplace. I wont knock their desire but a menu button but I cant consider it to be much of a need. Gandalf Parker |
Re: Why no Save game Feature
Well if "most" people say no the feature, then might as well I walk away.
Truthfully, nobody has given any GOOD reason not to implement this feature if it's given to be optional. Let's look at it mathmatically, something past all irrationalities and things. X= Game A, B, C, D= Features Now, assuming which here is how the logic goes. If you have X + B + C + D, the game is perfect and should not be tweaked. If say, another person has X + C + D, the game is perfect, and B is just another gegaw feature. If I have X + A + B + C, then I am happy, and I couldn't care less about D. So why can't I have A? Because you disagree with it. That because of A, the game is ruined for YOU even though YOUR not playing the game for me and even if implmeneted YOU wouldn't even think twice of it. The mantra of, I think it shouldn't be this, therefore it must not is just a crap attitude. Of all the arguements thrown out against this feature, none of them have been applicable to ME. All of them have been based on YOUR perceptions rather then mine, and why should YOUR perceptions make mine "Wrong" or "Wussy". Why is Flexibility wrong? Why should what I want ruin the game???? W/e, I just spoke to think that a small community would appeal to something like this. But nothing gets done one the internet these days. I'll just stick to Paradox (for Realism) and for Galatic Civilizations (For Flexibility). That way, if I try something new, I won't have to start the whole Four hours over again. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Regards, Gl with w/e |
Re: Why no Save game Feature
They have given good reasons, just none that you accept.
Which is fine. But basically one view given would be: "Should we add a feature that might ruin the replayablity and long term enjoyment, even for those that think they wanted it, thereby hurting the sales of the next version?" Interesting that you mention GalCiv as an example of a game that has save feature. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif |
Re: Why no Save game Feature
I say it comes down to that we don't want the developers spending time adding the savegame feature when so many other important bug fixes and other features are in demand. |
Re: Repeat request.
And I say that we do want them spending time on the save game feature!
There is not a consensus on this, but there are some vocal people on either side. That may be all that this thread will establish... |
Re: Repeat request.
[Vocal people mode on]
There's no use for a save feature. If I really want to test different forms of a tactic or save a game at a point, it just takes a few seconds to backup the game directory in the windows explorer. On Linux it should be even faster with a cp. Remove bugs and add content to the game instead. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif [Vocal people mode off] |
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