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Tien Chi has already had to defend itself against three attackers at the same time... having come to this game late, I do not know who started the wars with Pangaea and Agartha, but I do know Helheim attacked me capriciously and without warning.

Yes, I am powerful.... but so are Rlyeh, Abysia and others. Tien Chi has not acted aggressively (at least under its new management) but instead acted to defend itself... and this has naturally led to our expansion. We will continue to defend ourselves against all attackers...

I would also take Helheim's words with a grain of salt, as he has offered to jointly attack a mutual neighbor of ours as part of a considered agreement... Helheim has its own designs and power.

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Riiiiight, the fact that T'ien Ch'i leads in at least three, if not four, of the score charts - and the important ones at that, doesn't mean anything at all, eh, buddy?

Poor guy. Leave him alone. Make NAPs now! He has to finish eating up Pangea and who knows what else. *smirk*

Turn it into yet another boring game.

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Well, what do you expect me to say? "You're right, im big, everyone should kill me?" =)

As I said: Yes, im strong. So are other people. I did, in fact, offer both Pangaea and Helheim treaties, but they have continue their aggression... so I don't really have much choice about fighting them and expanding.

I do understand the need to attack the person who seems to be winning. My neighbors will do what they will do.

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As a newb and someone who's consistently made bad tactical decisions since the start of the game (despite IMO otherwise solid play) I don't want to criticize your diplomatic acumen, but dealing with variables like that is part of the fun in any multiplayer strategy game. Imagine if central Europe were covered in a magical fog prior to World War II - how would have France and Britain known to declare war on rapidly-expanding Germany?

One *can* consciously make the decision to forego rapid expansion - although I understand you just jumped into the game.

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I agree with you Nix... I actually deleted the comment you quote before you finished writing your post =) I know being careful about expansion is part of the game, I guess im just venting my frustration about jumping into a game where im getting attacked by everybody =)

No worries, though... im still having fun, which is the point.

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I actually have had several discussions about the "in-game" justification for graphs... to me they seem silly, in the sense that a bunch of medieval-esque fantasy nations would not have exact and up-to-the-minute data on all the other nations in the world... information would circulate slowly and would take a long time to travel, unless a nation was actively spying or had an established information network... even then, it wouldnt be exact. Id be interested in seeing an option to have score graphs that are much more ambiguous... i think it would add some more intrigue to the game.

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Wow, that's a great idea, johnarryn... some sort of spy network that applies a percentage to the accuracy of graphs or something. Could even be implemented on a nation basis, thus easy to slap into the code. But potentially hugely unbalancing. Hey, even another thing to spend pretender points on. *head explosion* Another thing for the devs to perhaps look into. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I'm ambivalent about graphs in games - actually prefer them off. But when they're on, you gotta use 'em. Which, unfortunately, makes it tough for those who are clearly winning.

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As for the score graphs thing, I prefer graphs to no graphs because I find graphs on more "realistic" and thematically appropriate than graphs off. Those spy networks aren't *really* minute by minute up to date, they are sort of one month behind...

Also, high-speed communication isn't so unrealistic in a fantasy world where resources like gold, magic gems, and magic items are effortlessly teleported across the world.

All in all, I think the options on graphs could be more expansive - something in between what we have now and nothing would be a nice option to have.

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Turn 18 has been posted, due tomorrow night at midnight. EST

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I haven't gotten it in my e-mail yet.

Jazzepi

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Turn 19 has been posted, is due in 23.5 hours - 9:30 EST tomorrow.

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Turn 20 has been posted, it is due in 24 hours - 11:30 PM EST tomorrow

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I don't see it in my inbox =\ I'll check in the morning, if it's not there, I'd like a 24 hour extension so we can figure out what's going on.

Jazzepi

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Oceania and R’leth strike on me, maybe someone can help me and strike on their back. Water and this two island it is almost 80 province.
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As long as Oceania and R'lyeh leave Pangaea alone (and anyone else who is at war with T'ien Ch'i), great.

In other news, I'm sieging T'ien Ch'i capital and slowly tearing the walls down. I've suffered rather nasty losses - but not near as bad as his (I got like eight adepts of the iron order and several hundred troops over the last few turns.)

Anyway, he must be stopped - so everyone jump on him.

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Okay, seems like the problem was that I was using google and it wasn't taking the e-mails.

Might be the .trn file extension.

Jazzepi

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Yeah, yeah... Tien Chi must be stopped. Sigh.

If anyone wants to attack Helheim, now would be an opportune moment. Most of his troops are piling on me, and he seems to have stopped researching, needing his Svartalfs to battle me.

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Turn 21 has been sent, turns due at 1030 PM EST tomorrow

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That making of the server is a pretty solid idea, although regular PBEM was nice, too. Now I can do my turns the way I usually do them, which is... In parts. ;p And now I can check and recheck my stuff, which is something you can't do in PBEM without constantly resending the turn (not such a hot idea), and I like having that option.

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I couldn't connect to the server.. is it you or me?

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I tried again too a few hours ago and apparently it was down. :/ Well, Seej did say that it might be a bit unstable, so I guess both e-mail and TCP/IP are to be used now.

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Turn 23 has been sent out, server is up. It comes up and down intermittantly but it is definitely reachable sometimes :-)

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Yeah. It conveniently came up when I was thinking about sending my turn, thus giving me the chance to be the lazy bastard I am and... Not send it through e-mail. :-D

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Haha! Now a fourth person has attacked me. My master plan of getting gang-banged by everyone on the map is working perfectly.

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That is one odd plan, one must say. :O

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turn 24 has been posted, is due at 630 pm tomorrow est

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Ouch. Sorry about giving you such a cruddy position Mr. Arryn.

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Heh, the problem is that the position he has/had was absolutely great. The original player spread *way* too fast for his own good. Now what's happening is the fallout of said quick expansion. It's a bummer a substitute player has to see it through instead of the person who actually made the sort-of-mistake of becoming too large too fast.

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I don't know if being too large too fast was the problem.... I think it was not having more diplomatic agreements in place. Generally before I attack someone I like to make sure that either a) All my neighbors except the one I want to attack have a treaty with me or b) my neighbor is diplomatically isolated in that all his neighbors want to kill him.

Unfortunately i seem to be on the receiving end of option B =(

I actually am not sure who started the wars in in with Agartha and Pangaea... I know Helheim and Marverni attacked me without warning, but thats not terribly surprising. C'est la vie.. i'm still having a good time, and fighting some pretty amusing battles.

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If things turn further south for you, I will work with Oceania to ensure that province 360 is set aside as a cultural preserve for the sophisticated people of Tien Chi. There will be an interactive, animatronic model of Zhao and peppy tour guides to instruct school children in sensitivity to Chiens (is that what you all are called?).

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Excellent. What more could any god ask for?

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Turn 25 has been posted, due tomorrow at 11:30PM EST

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Turn 26 has been posted, due tomorrow at 8:30 PM EST unless we decide by consensus we want to extend the deadline to 48 hours or so.


What do you all think?

cj

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OOC of course, and great hosting seej - regarding the general deadline question, I would be okay with extending it to 48 hours, but only if everyone else is. If a single person isn't, I think we should stick with the day turnaround except for prior notification which is perfectly acceptable. Sometimes grandmothers die for a third time or I have to sell my house. Happens.

Plus, my bare chested warriors disco dance while eating arrows and pooping monkeys wearing plaid, but don't tell anybody. Just be glad that Abba was remembered when they all croak.

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I would heartily endorse a 48 hour deadline... getting eaten alive from all sides is time-consuming.

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I would prefer we stay on the 24 hour deadline.

Jazzepi

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Don't mind the 48h. great hosting so far, keep it up!

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I vote for keeping it at 24 hours.

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you know what forget about my vote, I forfeit I know when I'm beat

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I vote for 48h.

And yes, great hosting so far http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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I'd keep 24h as I have a smaller nation, but I suppose all the massive empires need time to get their bureaucratic gearwork going.

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So like, how long are we waiting for Ermor to do his turn or did we already, before finishing the vote about the 48h change, change to the 48 hour deal? Yes, this lack of turns coming in in all games I'm playing in is making me go crraazy!

And I'd keep the 24h, but that's because I have no life and I must scream. ;p

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OK we will stick to 24 hours for now. As for Ermor... I guess I will grace him until 48h because of the ambiguity of the fact that its under discussion. But this next turn is back to 24hours.

cj

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turn 27 posted, due tomorrow at 11:15 Pm (just over 23 hours from now)

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24 hours is tough pace for me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

I hope we will be able to switch to 48 hours sometime soon as its becoming increasingly more difficult for me to handle. Turn 35 or 40 for example will be good time to switch, so I hear by petition for that.

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Turn 28 posted, due tomorrow at midnight.

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The great nation of Mictlan desires cauldrons of broth. We will pay 18 nature gems per cauldron.

We will also accept wine skins at 6 nature gems apeice.

Please contact us quickly if you wish to forge these items for us, our armies need sustenance.

Jazzepi

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Turn 29 has been posted, due tomorrow at midnight EST

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Turn 30 was sent out 8 hours ago and is due in 15.5 hours at midnight EST

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turn 31 was posted last night, due in 15.5 hours (midnight est)