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Guys, the important thing to remember in a situation like this is that the same situation can seem _extraordinarily_ different to the two parties. It might seem completely certain, cast in stone, to both parties that the other is telling untruths, while both think they are honest. You really have to bear this in mind, particularly in a mature community like this where pretty much everyone is honest by inclination.

Now, clearly the nation of Ermor feels that it has been horrifically wronged by Caelum, and therefore it's entirely reasonable that it do its utmost to take them down. And similarly Caelum can fight to the death for its right to expand. So long as you're roleplaying as the nations, you can be as vicious as you want - but no personal attacks on the players please. Also bear in mind that even if the other player has been telling untruths, that's not disallowed so long as they do it in character. Dominions players tend to play a straightforward game but there is no rule against weasel tactics.

To me though, this looks like a case of a very common issue. It goes like this. Player one proposes peace. Player two responds in a friendly way, and discusses other things. He is deliberately not explicitly agreeing to the peace treaty because he doesn't want it, but he is friendly anyway either to divert suspicion or simply because he's not sure he wants war either. But at this stage, because of the lack of an explicit refusal, player 1 believes that peace has been agreed on. Later on, when player 2 attacks, player 1 cries foul. I have seen this happen quite a few times.

So I suspect something along these lines has happened. But even if not - no personal attacks in my games, please. If you want to write propaganda on the boards please do, it's a good tactic - but do it in character (sign off as your nation not your player name).

Enough said - the diplomats of Ermor and Caelum have talked at cross purposes, misunderstandings of occurred and the blood of the peoples of both nations is boiling. Is war inevitable? Who will win? Only time will tell...

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Are you gonna narrate this game like a story? 'Cuz that would be epic. Also Pangeans are on my land. Maybe they should get off

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So Eldanesh, you going to reply to my message some day or not? I'd like to know whether I need to keep an army at the border near you or not. ;p

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Hey I CLEARLY pointed out the lie didn't I so why shouldn't I call him a liar..

It's not good to call someone a liar in a "small community" but it IS OK to do the lying, backstabbing and all sort of general treason?

Sounds a lil awkward to me.. he can play his game the way he wants it.. fair enough there are not actual rules against being the most treacherous player on the map.. I'd even go as far to say that SOMEONE has to be it..
Well he is it.. and since I'm the victem I want everyone to know so noone misses the point and trusts him again this game.. I want you all to know him for the LIAR he is so he'll not gain much by backstabbing me and so I can rest assured I have done everything in my power to strike back at my opponent.. so he will not win this game or even gain anything.

As far as I knew this IS a game thread, Caelum is played by a player so I can tell all I want about that player certainly if it reflects what happened on the map. He lied to me in the game and lied to you all in here so I call him a liar and I will till I'm down in this game (well maybe a few days after that even) or till I have taken him out.
Peace is no option with a traitor so now either of us has to die. The fact that Marignon's Pretender is in my country helping him DOES give him a slight advantage.. and I hope teh fact that HIS PRETENDER IS NOT NEAR HIS CAPITOL OR SOUTHERN PROVINCES will mean marignon looses province there. But I had no peace with Marignon (hell I didn't even know he could attack me before it happened) so no backstabbing there.. nor have I talked to him or seen untrue stuff from him in this forum so I hope him and I can kiss and make up...

For surely Marignon must see that once he and Cealum split up my lands Caelum CAN ONLY attack him so it would be MUCH more profitable to help me get Caelum. HINT HINT

anyway just thought to clarify things.: yes I call thingie playing Caelum a liar because I've seen him lying in here.

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your land? your land?!!! If you think that my people are going to stick to five provinces in the northern backwater of the western continent while you take up the whole eastrn landmass, you are very sadly mistaken. The ministers of ulm rant about security and natural borders, but they are in for some Leafy Fury if they think that they can run roughshod on the native territory of the Panni council. While every other nation occuppies lands twice the size of that which Pangea holds, the Panni council must fight, tooth and nail, for every inch. If the warmongering Ulmish tyrants wish to move their border one province farther north they will learn the meaning of "Blood and Fire." One step foreward and we will push them five steps back. May the Peace of the Leaf be with you.

And take your next turn when you take the last one, dammit!

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Aezeal, to be clear - regardless of what happened, it is not acceptable to personally attack any player on any thread for one of my games. I don't care if you've been brutally wronged - I just won't stand for any unpleasantness in my games. 'Nuff said.

In-game though, go ahead and attack him for all you're worth if you want to.

WonderLlama - thanks for holding off on making a rebuttal. This kind of thing is actually pretty rare in dominions games, happily.

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So ... you make a thread.. he can lie about what I said and did.. and I cannnot defend myself.. yea.. in your dreams... I'll say what I see fit and deem appropriate, your not my mother.. if he uses this forum to say incorrect things I'll correct them here too and sorry to say this to you.. your opinion won't change a thing.

Ermor support Pangeae fully, back to back we will face our opponents and push south

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Look Aezeal, the reason I can express my opinion strongly is because I can kick you from the game. I would have thought that was obvious.

I don't want to do that however. Let's just leave this issue and move on, okay?

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yeah I'm gaming ain't I..

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Uh, what he did was a thing in the game. It doesn't make him a worse person in real life, however. You can talk as much crap as you want about his NATION, as long as it's, like, how his treacherous Seraph witches betrayed the fragile trust between your two nations and they need to be removed from the face of this world.

Out of game-wise, if he didn't agree directly to a non-aggression pact (or even alliance) of some sort, him attacking is just a part of the game - no agreement means no obligations, even if you think that you have had relatively nice relations. You can talk about peace all you want with people, but peace'll always be uneasy until there's an actual agreement made.

Never trust a nation you haven't made an agreement with.

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The nation of Abysia mourn the passing of our beloved prophet Forcalor

From early reports it seems Forcalar had taken comand of a small detachment to regain the border province of Urd(27) which was taken over by some brigands and bring it back to our glorious empire.

With great horror once getting there discovered that a huge army from Arco was there too ....

Early reports suggests the nation of Arco wasn't aware that Urd was legitimaly under Abysia domain and for some miscomunication the two army engaged in battle and our brave soldiers lost their life against superior forces.

Our response is still undecided , peasants screams for vengeance but our wise pretender god and our early council is examining the matter closely and have yet to decide what action to take.

It would be wise for Arco to take diplomatic action to compensate for the heavy losses we suffered.

Great council of Abysia

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At no time did I ever see it under anything but neutral control. There are still a few neutrals about, I was trying to collect what I thought was one.

I have already ordered my troops out of the area and I will have no objection to you reclaiming your land.

I do not see how your general's failure to see that the situation had changed is my fault, however.


(Illwinter, please fix this myopia! Attack orders should not be carried out if the target province changes hands before they can be carried out!)

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If it all makes a difference then forget my previous messages and let's convert it to this one:

The nation of Ermor declares total war on Cealum:
The direct reason for this is their treacherous invasion of our nations borders. This is even more so because they agreed to peace with us after we MOST generously offered this to them.
I say most generously because every Ermorian citizen knows that all Cealumites sleep with their mothers and their dogs, and for their relatively (for even their pretender god rates as lower than the lowerst ermorian soulless warrior) higher standing citizens this would also include sleeping and performing all sorts of unspeakable deeds with their sisters and their cats and horses which includes but is not limited to penetration of all anatomical (and probably some not very anatomical) orifices.
So it's clear it's TOTALLY our great leaders fault for even trusting these foul and debased creatures.
Ermor has had a longstanding tradition of hate for the winged people (mostly, but not limited to the previously mentions depraved actions) and thus the whole peace idea was a folly.. this we, the Emperor of Ermor admit.
The fact we have recieved some very disturbing pictures of the ruler of Caelum with his wing on places where an ERMOR citizen would surely NOT touch his sister has only made this more clear.

So CITIZENS of ERMOR and the whole world. let us start a crusade/jihad (pick prefered method of extermination) against this foul and debased people.

PS another reason to exterminate these pests is that it's generally known they CANNOT utter a single truthfull word

SO ou great emperor declares

ALL HAIL ERMOR and it's leader the great EMPEROR and follower fo Aezeal our god

posted per request of our host.. totally in character and thus totally "legal"
please forget my insulting post above which apperantly didn;t appear as in character (though they where meant as such) and totally focus on this IN CHARACTER post.. which means this post is totally NOT insulting

thanks for explaining th subtle details to me guys not I know what is insulting and not insulting and I will stick to posts like this http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

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The nation of Abysia have heard the nation of Arco and believes that the attack was a result of an accident.

We expect your full withdraw from Urd so that we may bring this land back to our domain.


(indeed some kind of 'diplomacy' option would be most welcome.. maybe for dominions 4 ? )

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I disagree.. this sort of confusion is what makes it fun http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

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Ah well, that's a step forward Aezeal. Obviously I don't think much of your rather childish resort to obscenities, but that's a different issue and one I have no interest in getting involved in.

Enjoy the war guys. I hope it's a dramatic and interesting one.

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That is very cunning Baalz, can't believe I never thought of it.

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Uh, wrong thread? ;p

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Oops, yep, wrong thread.

So, what news from the other nations of the world? I am intrigued to hear what's happening.

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hmmm and now my potential ally is taking my land too.. hmmm this is distressing..

Anyway let's look again at the word liar

li·ar /ˈlaɪər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[lahy-er] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun a person who tells lies.

So a person who tells lies is a liar.. not much news to me so... lets look at the next message.



From: BigandScary

I am not intending to invade you or take your lands. The army on your border is made of the maenads that gather around my pans. He was just searching for sites, and they flocked to him. I will do what I can against Caelum.


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Since I have kept my part of the bargain so far I'd appreciate if you would not invade those places we agreed upon to be my property (considering the army located near my border.) Attacking Caelum would be appreciated though.. taking the province with my temple not so much



I hope we can continue or relation with the same intentions it started


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So he is NOT intending to take my province with temple on his border.
How ODD it is that he infact just DID take that province..
So the only conclusion can be that the player bigandscary IS infact a liar.. since his message was not in character I can only assume it was him speaking and not the leader of Pangaea.
It is obvious the map if FULL of liars.. why is the truth so hard to face I wonder.

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First of all, I never agreed to not take that province and I merely stated my intent to not do so. Also, my consolidation of that area has sealed off the Entire eastern front of Ermorian territory, giving him a chance in hell to win. If I had split my armies in an attempt to do little more than piss off a powerful alliance we would have been up a river without a paddle, but instead I have given us both a chance at survival. At this point it seems that I am the only one who has stuck by Aezeal, throughout his rant against half the world, and I would suggest that he take the opportunity I have offered him and consolidate and hold his core. Or will he continue to call me a liar and expand into all out war against every nation that borders him? I guess we will see...

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I agree Azeal, Pangeans ARE jerks! heheh

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(sorry for bad english)

First of all i have no interest in the current conflict (i'm too far away to have any role on it) however here is my view.

First of all this is supposed to be a GAME , actually a friendly one.

Friendly doesn't mean that our NATIONS/GODS should be friendly with each other.. it's us players that should make friends meeting new players and so start in the loop of this wonderful game.

Aezeal you really had my simpaty at the beginning for what you claimed was an unprovoked attack.. but now you seem to be whining a little too much.. this game is going badly ok and so ? u'll do better next time. continue pushing it will make it only worst (for next games too!)

Now every players have a different set of personal rule, i'm not at all a blown out rpgers but i try to separate what I as a human being would do and what the naion i'm controlling would do.

For instance in this game i'm with abysia, if i should border pangaea or caelum is DIFFICULT to imagine peace beetween our two people for a complete different believe/enviroment we dwell with,that doesn't mean there should be immediate war but likely there won't be a permanent alliance!

When i do make deal i (as a player) tend to stick with it , i don't like backstabbings and such..especially because this sort of behaviour tend to backfire in successive games.. but that doesn't mean that it can't happen !
U can have maybe friends and have to sacrifice one at one point!


The nation you play with also influence a lot how the other player will treat you.... !

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I'm just letting the world know who actually does the backstabbing.. the fact that when I use the word liar with good reason gets this place in an uproar just gives me more incentive to point out clear liars cus IMHO if you do something the least you should do is stand up for it instead of saying that I can't say it when it's obviously the truth.

I hardly care for loosing a game.. happens from time to time.. I just think the strange ethics in this forum are ludicrous and so I have my fun with it

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It's obvious you think the ethics are ludicrous Aezeal.To summarise what they are: Don't be offensive to other players, and keen the conflicts in-character. As fabio8mi says, the idea is for the players to have fun and even make friends, while their nations go to war, possibly including sneaky tactics.

You just don't seem to get the bit about not being offensive. The reason for that policy is that everyone should have a good time. I don't understand why you would want to undermine that.

You are still encouraged to protest and produce all the propaganda you can about in-game things - just do it in character. I know you think I'm mad for saying it makes any difference, but I think it makes a world of difference.

Also, behaving like you have just annoys everyone and greatly decreases the probability of them helping you. It's true, I have had several players make comments to that effect. It's not so much witty political protest as just acting like a git.

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I think saying someone is a liar when he actually was lying is offensive.. it's the truth and a reaction the deserved.. I think they are whining about getting offended when I'm just saying what happend.

If you lie do not whine about getting called a liar.

Seems easy to me, seems normal to me too. If that is wrong in someones oppinion then those persons are hypocrites I'd say http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

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Well really it's more like the _nations_ were lying...

But anyway, as I've discussed both here and in PMs to you, most situations where it is "obvious" to one person that the other lied, the other person doesn't think they did. Miscommunications are common and the cause of much strife.

I actually apply this to life as a whole. If someone seems to have been bad to me or let me down, I normally assume it was a miscommunication (or, just as often, a cultural/background difference which makes the situation seem almost unbelievably different to them - just consider almost all boyfriend/girlfriend issues!). Almost always it was. Very few people are deliberately unpleasant. It's a good policy, saves a lot of hurt feelings and lost friendships.

However, this is a personal thing and not a way of thinking most people adopt, and anyway, I've gone way, waaay off topic. Sorry about that. Guess I'm proud of my optimistic view of the world. My ex-girlfriend always thought I was talking rubbish when I discussed it, but I decided she was just misunderstanding me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

So, enough of that little issue. What's going on in the world of the Mongoose? I believe Ermor has been crushed and gone AI - where will the conquerors turn next?

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Well I was about the only one posting RP post in here so...

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http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Fair point.

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Now the evil undead Ermorians have been crushed, and the ice angels have returned to their rightful home atop the icy mountains in the northwest. The alliance of good nations can now be at peace.

The creaturs from the forests of Pangea had interfered. Rumours, which travel far on the winds, claim that they had fallen under the dark spell of Ermor, ensorcelling them to his aid. Hopefully that will end with the disappearance of Ermor. We welcome peace, and we even welcome them to keep the forests they had taken from us. For truly that is more their home than ours.

We have discovered the strange tentacled creatures of R'yleh in the seas off our shores. We know nothing about them; the winds do not blow underneath the waves. We don't know whether they are good or evil, desire peace or war. But we are eager to learn.

We have heard little of the eastern continent, just that it is home to mighty tribes of barbarians. Are there any travellers with tales to tell of those mystical lands?

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So the most ancient of the Starspawns were correct in their predictions. R'lyeh now borders each and every living nation on this world.

A dire portent, perhaps.

But it also holds certain... Possibilities.

We do not have great interest in the goings on of the surface-world as long as our shore-lands and our seas are left untouched by the surface-dwellers. As it stands at time, we have no reason, nor specific desire, for war; unless we are forced to enter one by outside forces. We are content in our areas of control. We are content with our research.

Indeed, we shall remain out of wars unless it is deemed absolutely necessary for us to act.

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I think I have been doing RP.

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The Pan Council is in dire straits. Upon our SouthEastern border the Armies of our nation and that of the vast nation of Ulm are mobilized against each other. As the bulk of our forces are stationed there we were completely unprepared when the leader of our former neighbor and ally, Ermor, stepped down and was replaced by an angry warmonger who has invaded our peaceful heartlands with a powerful force. They will eventually be stopped, but for now they are a huge burden upon the already thin economy of the woodlands. We may only hope and pray that this ends soon.

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Or you could give us what is ours, with no blood to be spilled.

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its not Ulmish, It has always been part of the Panni lands. Why must this we be so hostile about something so trivial. The driads cry for peace, but the Minotaur shout their battle cries. The Panni Council will decide.

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Then decide quickly, we grow impatient.

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The Starspawns of R'lyeh grow equally impatient, but of you and your antics, human. Even our patience is finite.

The kingdom of Ulm still seems to have hard time figuring out whether they want peace with the Illithid or if they want to drown in their own blood. A tough choice indeed. Your recruitment of amphibious troops, however, gives us a reason to believe that you intend to wage war against us, perhaps you aim to wage war with the Pangaean wildmen at the same time as you fight us? A curious choice.

Your ultimatum was, and still is, laughable, not to mention insulting towards every Illithid who walks upon this planet. You cannot expect us to give you our provinces for absolutely no compensation, unless, of course, you are quite mad. So... Instead of throwing around these senseless ultimatums of yours. How about trying to give us an offer which is actually an OFFER, instead of a blatant ultimatum with the "offer" of no peace when we, quite logically, decline?

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Think what you wish, I cannot see the situation changing. These are uncertain times. We also would wish that we could begin trade and alliances with the true nations of the west, and our people are frustrated by the Ryl'eh Blockade.

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Hmph. Whatever trade you wish to conduct with them is not impeded by our troops. That is yet another absurd claim from you. You are grasping at straws here, and all you want, as it seems to us, is a pointless war for whatever reason.

Yet again, you fail to give us anything more than "WE WANT YOUR LANDS BUT DON'T WANT TO GIVE ANYTHING IN RETURN" as a reason for us to give you anything. And yet again, we say that it is completely unreasonable and borderline mad. We are not telling you to give us more lands simply because it would make defending our seas easier - which it undoubtably would. You aren't offering us any gems, any money, any other provinces for what you demand. A one-sided "offer" is a demand, an ultimatum, a threat. And we do not take threats lightly.

And... You wouldn't gain access to the Western nations through the lands you demand anyway. We managed to take control of the independent province which connected the lands on the Eastern side to the West from that specific location. Thus, your wish for "trade" would be impeded by this, also, if it was impeded by anything in the first place - which it is not.

In fact, it is quite obvious that having the lands Pangaea controls or the lands we have would have the OPPOSITE effect on your defensive capabilities. Now Pangaea's lands are cut off from you by a natural obstacle known as the "mountain range", leaving one province to defend for you and the Pangaeans, whilst our lands are, for all intents and purposes, cut off by a very similar mountainous area.

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If the Ryl'eh wish to see a threat in our requests of convenience, then so be it. We maintain our solution.

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YOU demand that we decide, YOU grow impatient?!! You build up forces upon our border and ask us, not politely may I add, to vacate all land upon the Eastern Continent. I you wish to try another ill-fated invasion be my guest. So far we have noth suffered casualties with no gains whatsoever. If you wish to wage war, make the declaration and may the gods have pity upon your souls. Enter my forest and learn the non-peaceful side of the Leaf.

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"Requests of convenience"? More like "demands of servitude". Yes, of course, the "convenience" of one nation surely trumps everyone else's survival!

Or maybe it does not.

We still cannot see how having provinces which will make your defense (which was your original reasoning for why you wanted ALL the provinces on the northern part of the eastern side of the world - without compensation, we again add) harder as opposed to easier will "convenience" you in the first place. Yes, it might look "neater" in the eyes of some Ulmish king, but that is hardly a reason for leaving such an uncertain situation on forever - unless that is the intention of Ulm.

We still cannot quite understand how you, at first, could see telling others to give you things for no compensation an "offer". This implies to us some kind of trade, that you would be giving us in return for the lost provinces, which was not the case. A request, however... The way we understand them, this was not a request. The fact that you cannot live with us and the Pangaeans NOT giving in to your... "Request"... Means that it's not a request in the first place. It is, as we have said for so long, an ultimatum.

Indeed. You are leaving others under a constant threat of attack for refusing to give in to your crazed demands. And we say again... No compensation, no provinces. As simple as that.

Or would you like us to start demanding various magical items from you, expecting you to make them for no compensation? It would surely convenience us a whole lot!

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The Ulmish Warlords wish to secure their borders. Does this mean Continental Consolidation. Will the Abysians be exterminated to help in this task or does this idea only apply to the north. Until the leaders of Ulm form a legitamate offer of treaty, the Pan Council considers itself in a state of general hostilities.

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My computer died. I was just dusting it, because the fans were getting sqeaky. Now it won't work. I forgot to leave the power cord connected, that's probably what did it.

My old computer is working, and I got Dominions loaded on it. So I'm not in any immediate danger of missing turns.

At the moment, I think it's probably the graphics card that died. I thought I had some old ones lying around, but I can't find them. Which means I'm probably going to have to open up my only working computer for its video card to get this figured out. If I break it, I will become severely depressed. Oh yeah, and have difficulty playing too.

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We of Ulm feel considerable friendship with abysia we shall burn the trees of the "sacred forest" ceremonially if it so pleases them.

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As we thought, war was the offer the Ulmish horde had in mind.

Does it surprise us? No.

But it does show that the Ulmish horde does see that their vaunted "convenience" is indeed more important than the survival of others.

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We have been at war with pangea since we met them. 8/

-Rejoice! The pangean horde of the passage has been utterly vanquished, in a glorious slaughter where only our hired undead troops were lost.

We of Ulm also wish to know how it goes on the west continent, as we have not been able to reach it as of yet.

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It is true, the mighty Ulmish people have butchered a massive number of screaming women, Oh, they are a mighty force.

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Dem chix was craaazy.

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That was a quick turn! I'm the last one, and I checked the turns like a few hours ago. :O Nerve wrecking waiting for the next turn (although nothing prolly happened, but still). Auuggghh!