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It is as tiny. However we have 3 less nations, so it will be much less crowded.

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I am not touching anything with less than 15 provs per player. I think base map gave like 10 provs, so here it may be 12-13, way too small.

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its all good, will bring all those artifacts into play nice and early :)

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I'm just afraid when the game finally starts we'd have a lot of staleing players, becouse peretenders are bieng uploaded for the second week, and I think many people have already forgotten about the game...

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Quantum, if you want this game to ever do anything besides take up space on the forums, you need to get it started ASAP. The more time between the game's initial post, and when it starts, the more people will either forget about it.

We might not have one or two nations. But it's time to start, now, not later.

Jazzepi

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Agreed, lets get this game started before its too late.. (it might already be)

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Ok I think i'm going to assume that this game has died out already.

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Sorry, I've been away the last couple of days. I bit the bullet and hit start game.

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Well, let's hope people would remember the game, when they receive e-mail.

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This is dumb.. some of my best artifacts are cursed and I cant get them from this damn winged monkey they started on.. I got screwed.

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Select the monkeys and choose the "Change Shape" command in the list of orders. That will put all the artifacts they are carrying into the lab.

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Hey guys, bit of an emergency came up and I don't think I can get this turn in on time. Considering the absurd degree of importance, would you folks mind pushing back the time by 24 hours?

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The first turn is not due until around this time tommorow.

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Since Marignon staled the first turn, I guess we are in for a roll back. Otherwise Marignon is out of the game already. To ensure that no one gained information from his first turn, I guess QM can roll back and let Unoptimized send in his turn then immediately force host. This way, everyone's old 2h will be used.

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ugh yes please rollback

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So what's the plan? Just continue and let Marignon drop?

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We might as well, be a shame to lose someone this early

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The thing is, he did request a delay. And the game admin was just not paying attention. I also feel partially responsible by posting after him saying there was plenty of time. Apperantly that was not enough for Unoptimized. It would be nice if QM read this thread since he is the game admin after all.

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I'm sorry, I've been very busy lately, I read unoptimized's request but then I was under the impression the turn was going to take long enough anyway. If there are no objections I'll hand admining to jazzerpi who offered to take over.

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If you're going to have me admining, you'll need to PM me the password so that I can take over.

Jazzepi

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Sorry about the trouble guys. I will go with whatever resolution is more convenient to you lot.

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ACK! Sorry, my buddy AOE was over earlier, and I apparently wrote the reply in his name as opposed to my own. You guys can go with whatever solution is best for the game and all of you :).

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I would say roll back. It is not fair someone got dropped through admin negligence, and it is bad for the game when your two neighbors suddenly finds a lot more land to expand to than anyone else. And I do apologize for my misleading post.

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yep lets roll it back

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so did we roll back? I just received turn 3...

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I don't have admin access as QM has never PMed me the password.

If I'm assuming role of the admin, I don't see how we can roll back two turns at this point, so we're not going to roll back.

Jazzepi

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Technically it is doable. You can even restart game. Whether or not we will do this, however, is probably best left to all players to decide.

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then why dont we just restart. this game is already pointless

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Only one person (Marignon) has even had a single stale. Everyone else has gotten their turns in on time. I'll get it setup so that Marignon is set to AI, and we can move on with the game.

I know it sucks for unoptimized, but I'd rather keep the game moving then restart now.

Jazzepi

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His stale killed all his artifacts so there is no point for him to continue. Besides, his stale is not his fault. This map is so interconnected that removing one player benefits two neighbors tremendously.

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My vote would be to continue.

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Oh hell I dont care. Since my fat *** Minotaur champion with the sickle got the one heroic ability which makes him nearly useless. Heroic Fatness really ticks me off!

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You can always stick the scythe on a guy casting magic. My understanding is that it works even if they don't attack with it!

Jazzepi

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well u can count me out of this game

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how lame..

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no its lame that that the game is just continued because the admin refuses to roll back a single turn (the most crucial turn by far) without even having a vote.

the players bordering marignon are going to have at least 1/4 more expansion room + 1 of them will get a capital fairly early,. (this is a vp game if you havnt noticed.. also the gem and sacred bonus would come into affect)

no point anymore... for all i know IM bordering marignon but thats just messed up.

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noone refused a rollback of a single turn, jazzepi simply hadn't received the admin password yet...

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Will the independants be the same in the neighboring provinces if the game restarts? I think it's wrong if they are...

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It will be the same if we roll back turns, it will not if we restart. But I guess neither is going to happen since turn 4 is about to be out.

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Oh dear. It seems I've caused a bit of a mess. I thought we were just letting turns roll untill the turn rollback. If we don't want to wait, I can turn myself AI, although there seems to be some trepedation about that.

Again, I'm really sorry about all this.

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No point to continue since we've lost two players in the very beginning. I vote for restart.

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christ what a mess :)

the best solution, since all the players are at least playing, or wanting to play, is for Jazzepi to recreate the game and use the already submitted pretenders to get it rolling again - I believe he has that option, if QM has pm'ed him the admin info.

The non-sea indies should be random again, though that might not be the case.

personally, I think the map is a bit unbalanced, but running around w/ artifacts can be fun, even if they're mostly not so helpful :)

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I didn't roll back the first turn because I didn't have the password until it was too late. If you want to annoy someone about it, PM QM.

I don't know how many games you've played in Daka, but if I restarted every time we lost someone to AI, then we'd never, ever, finish a game of Dom3. People going AI is just part of the game. At least if they do it early, those provinces surrounding them are still defending by neutrals.

By all accounts, a nation going AI in the late game (which happens all the time without a restart) is far worse, they tend to own far more land, and that land is filled with delicious site-searched goodies.

But, since everyone seems to be blowing a single person being AI way out of proportion, we'll restart. I'm sure they'll be plenty of grumbling about that, too.

Jazzepi

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I went ahead and put in the restart. The game is back into "submit pretenders" mode, so you need to do what you did before, PM me if you need help.

We're not restarting a 2nd time after this, so don't ask.

Jazzepi

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There is a bug with restart command on llama's server. You should PM llama asking him to fix it. There is no need to resend pretenders. As soon as he fix it, you can start the game.

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I justtt noticed that after recreating the game. I'm going to boot it up now.

Jazzepi

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I would be surprised if your password is still valid. :) (Yes, that's a bug)

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Sigh!

Now the game is fubared. See, this is why I hate restarting when things are working.

I'm actually not sure how to fix it. Apparently llama will be back soon. Until he gets here we'll just have to put the game on hold.

Jazzepi

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He should be back today. So no worry.

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Hrmm. Sorry about that. I haven't quite hunted down the bug yet (this evening hopefully), but the game is fixed again now anyway.

Thanks konming for the report.