Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Oh don't worry, I'm definitely going to make the forum private. I have a reasonable degree of trust for the players here, but there would always be questions about the sanctity of our communications if it was left open.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Okay, we have a forum now. I'm going to work a little bit on it and then I'm going to send pms to everyone in team noob and tell you where you can find the forum. If it is possible to do it how I want, I will also give you a unique password that you will have to post before I will allow you into strategic command. If not, well, I'll see how I have to do it.

PLEASE sign up for that forum using your name for this forum. I don't want to have to guess who you are and keeping names the same will reduce confusion as to who is saying what. Also, using a signature or something else that is displayed in every post to say which nation you are would be helpful once we get those straightened out as well.

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The teams are listed on the main post. We'll be using the latest version of CBM, whichever one that is, which I thought was 1.41, but may have changed since then. Whatever version we use, I'd like it to be relatively bug free.

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You'll be in the game, if I don't hear from Ironhawk and Zeldor. Who's knows, we may even have 5 vets if everyone responds with their nation choices.

Trumanator, no prob, I was thinking that perhaps you might have bitten off more than you could chew.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Might want to pm them and see if they're still on board.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Alright! The forum is done being configured I think, so I'm sending out pms now. Check your inboxes shortly.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Can I join your forum?

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Sure! After we finish the game :)

PMs have been sent now to all players who are not currently listed as standby/alternate. If anyone drops out I will send a pm to whoever takes their place. If someone doesn't want to use the new forum that's fine, but be sure and tell me how you're going to want to communicate so we can make sure you're getting all the information also.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

An interesting idea for inter-turn communication amongst team members, should the need arise. A PM (with e-mail notification on) or intergame message will probably suffice, at least early in the game, but this should put to rest any issues anyone has with poor communications due to team size. It is good to see such fervor and interest in the game.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Gee, I wish we vets were as organized as you noobs. I have not even heard from the other vets. Are they actually going to play?

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Your account has been activated septimius, I'll see about getting you into the user group in a fwe minutes. You didn't post as guest with your username and the password I pmed you though, so if that wasn't you, tell me now :P

You're right, for the first several turns it should be completely unnecessary. But hopefully it will make communication run a lot more smoothly when we do need it. Everyone will be able to see everyone else's input in one spot. I figure, communication is going to be one of the key hurdles we have to pass in order to have a fighting chance in this game, so anything that makes it easier and run more smoothly is worth exploring. Setting up the forum was pretty easy, I only spent about an hour configuring everything for our purposes. So it wasn't a big deal :) I just hope that when the time comes, it gets used by enough of us to help.

I still don't expect to win but I want to put on a good show ;)

Edit: Thanks again for the forum suggestion Ano, that was brilliant.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Fear my, um, pushy organizational skills. Maybe you guys should set up a board for yourselves, and after the game is over we can open them up to public viewing for a little bit of post-game analysis :)

You or septimius might want to contact the rest of the vet team, lingchih, just to make sure who still intends to play. It would be a shame not to get this going.

And we still need more nation submissions. Team Noob, I believe we have 3 of 8 nations picked now?

Edit: I take that back, we have 5.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

That was me, no worries.

We've got 4 noobs and 2 vets (including Big and Scary a possible Ermor) with nations picked so far.

Still waiting on Zeldor, and Ironhawk among the vets.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

You should now be able to view the hidden forum. Please tell me if it works.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Well, I guess we Vets don't need a board. We know what we have to do. I wish the remaining Vets would sign in though.

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Sign me up with Marignon, blood and fire all the way. As a note I am slightly against the idea of including Rlyeh and Ermor in a game like this.

In a normal game usually rlyeh and ermor is kept somewhat in check due to people teaming up against them, since this is not the case these two nations might be overpowered (also I am against a lone water nation being able to goble up all the water without anyone able to stop him). Anyway, its not a big deal but I thought I would mention this.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

The dom effects could be pretty annoying to deal with too.

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hmm, just remembered I am playing mari in another game starting up, switch me to agartha.

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I would like to make one statement in the defense of Ermor. Ermor's greatest strength is in playing opposing players off against one another. Most players don't want to invade Ermor, so they sit idly by while Ermor swallows up their weaker neighbors. Ermor survives by making alliances to secure their borders, then praying on non-allied players. I know this because I almost won with them in the BAG last year, only losing because the other three players joined forces against me. While Ermor is often hindered by being in fixed alliances, meaning it has to hold back its dominion and be careful how it opperates, it is also weak in the face of allied groups, because they present a force that can exploit all of Ermor's weaknesses while protecting their own.
I just like to play Ermor, I enjoy them. Not because they are a powerhouse, as they have been repeatedly nerfed, but becaus ethey are fun, until micromanagement sets in.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

I wish to try my hand at Ulm - Black Forest.

Oh, and I'm in US Eastern time zone (GMT-5).

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Agartha you shall have. The way the map is, it works out to a bit more than 20 provinces per player, there are only 20 water provinces, I was considering giving the Vets a water nation too, but I thought that a noob might easily and quickly be defeated that way (it only be ten provinces per water nation). I don't think it will be an issue. Remember too, I know nothing about playing Rlyeh, I'm sure vets can win with any nation they choose. :)

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Lumen, please post on the other forum with your unique password so I can move you to the group that can see the hidden forum.

I'm going to change the forum to automatically accept new applications, since the way I've been doing it seems to have confused everyone but me. For future reference: Register, then post in the guest forum with your unique password. I will then allow you to see the other forum as soon as I check my email. Thank you.

And I can see how ermor wouldn't be as big a deal as normal here... at least in a way. Because your allies would undoubtedly not be very happy to have a strong ermor destroying the landscape. Well, unless they had a strategy planned around it. If you want to play ermor I probably don't personally have a problem with it.

Edit: Okay, automatic activation is done. So feel free to register whenever.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

I really don't mind who I am, a random from what remains is good for me.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

I'm toying around with playing Abysia, if you can believe that!

However, I would like to reserve Mictlan as well if you'll allow it, pending more conversations with the rest of the vet team.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

That's fine, though I would like everyone decided upon something as soon as possible. I was hoping to create the game and start pretender uploading before I go out of town on Tuesday (2/3). But that may have to wait till I get back on Thursday or Friday, depending upon how fast people get back to me on nation choice.

I've kept the pace slow and relaxed, and will continue to do so as I'm pretty busy and I want players who will be in it for the long haul, but we do need to get the game off and running soon.

We've got enough vets to begin, but I'm still short a noob who's not been in contact, Therefore, I'm switching in a noob alternate, so we'll have enough to start pretender uploads by Monday night.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Assuming the server cooperates that is.

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Sorry for the delay, I was quite busy in the weekend.
I suppose i'll just stay in as a possible alternate, now.
Oh,i almost forgot...if i'll still be able to join from the start,i'd like Pythium.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Noob reporting in. I'll take Man I guess or if another choice might go better, I'm open. I'm really new to LA (haven't even looked at most of them) so I'm open to guidance here.

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pyg is in the unique position of overhearing a lot of our plans from IRC, too. Inside intel!!!

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:shock:!

Quick pyg, to the noob cave!

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Okay, nevermind the password thing, it's a pretty redundant measure as it is. I'm just going to put people in now.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Alpine joe is the only one who hasn't registered on the other forum. AJoe, you out there? Please let me know if you're not going to sign up, I want to know beforehand how we're doing things in case I need to send you information differently from others. Also sending you a pm, please respond.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

I'm going to delay pretender uploading till Thursday night or Friday as I'm awaiting nation selection from a few people and there's a good possibility we'll have enough to begin with 10 noobs vs 5 vets. But that will be the max. Always accepting alternates though.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Ok I made a snap choice picking Man and I would like to switch to Midgard which seems still available.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Never played them before, but I'll try Bogarus

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

BTW - it hasnt been discussed here but we were talking with evilhomer in IRC and I'm pretty sure he is taking Mictlan.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

I know settings have been more less decided on, but I was talking with Ironhawk about them and it seems like things may be a little out of whack. With Orania, we are looking at around 18 provinces per player... that is an awful lot of space and makes rushing quite difficult.

That's a situation that would seem to over-favor the vets, generally much faster expanding vs indies, and more time to reach the magic to knock out the newbie players. That's apart from the sheer tedium of playing it out on such a large map, regardless of whop is winning.

Anyway, if we really are using this map I think a few more newbie slots are in order. However, I would advise instead switching to the desert eye, 10 provinces per player is still very reasonable.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

LOL, QM ninja'd me. Didnt know he was posting...

So, QM and I were talking about the map and it has 280 provinces, right? 20 water. With 15 players, that means that each player will get about 18 or so provinces to themselves. That means that its going to be a long time before nations even encounter each other. Probably not even until the end of the first year - and thats if you are really pushing for it.

And... basically you guys just wont win in a situation like this. Every turn you let us survive means that we are that much closer to reaching some dominanting spell or summon. I think we should use a smaller map. QM wants to do 8-10 provs/player. I was thinking for something more in a middle ground like 12-14, so we'd still have some breathing room.

Either way we are gonna need a new map

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Desert Eye is cool with me. It's a good map that everyone knows, as well.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Well... desert eye is open enough to satisfy me. I'm not quite sure how we'd place people best to avoid cutting people out, but I think it's doable. If it works for everyone else it works for me.

I agree it's unlikely our team is going to win if the game lasts too long. Unfortunately it seems most of the good early nations are in the hands of the vet team, so we may be in for a bit of an uphill battle ;)

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Yes, prepare for a nasty rush, you noobophiles. Still, it's basically 2 vs 1, right? So us vets could have some problems.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Pretty much, though as it stands we need another noob to meet the desired ratio. Somehow our numbers don't give me much comfort though.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Stay organized, be aggressive, dont let your morale break and you'll do ok :)

Who is the last noob?

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Well, tifone is if he's still interested in playing. Otherwise we don't have enough signed up to field 10 noobs. Plus I still haven't heard from alpine joe, so he may be out as well.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Sorry, I'm at my maximum MP capacity and under heavy exams session at the moment :(

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

I may be able to scrounge up another. We shall see.

Edit: Yep - He's registering for the forums now, username of "Giant Moth". Still in the registration queue at the moment but he says he'd be interested, so if you need another for the noob side feel free to add him to the list. He's new, just got the full game but has experience with the demo and a couple of singleplayer games experience.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Oh hey, I just got my account activated.

I'm darloths friend, and I'd like to join the game on the noob side, if the spot is still open. Have played a bit of singleplayer, but I got most fun out of the game by playing the demo in multiplayer.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

In the original votes, the majority of people had no preference with regard to map, the two that were mentioned most were Orania or Alexander, so I went with Orania.

I know QM and most of the vets favor a smaller map, however as I've mentioned, a smaller map makes rushing more likely. In my opionion though the noobs have numbers on their side, their inexperience makes them more susceptable to being overwhelmed early.

Further, while the vets will have more time on a larger map, so too will the noobs, who'll also have more time to learn and amass forces.

I generally favor larger maps, with time for research and expansion, I want to see what the vets come up with, and I'm not in any rush, and am often busy anyway (which is why I won't get into more than two games at once). Short rush type games won't give us noobs a chance to get research accomplished, and to reach the more powerful spells. Our advantage in numbers will not decrease, regardless of how long the game goes, it will only increase, and provide up more time for coordination and communication as well.

However, I want everyone to be satisfied and everyones voice to be heard, so I'd allow a revote on map preference if it comes to that, though I'd prefer not delay the game any further.

Septimius Severus

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Have a look at the main post and pick a nation not already choosen.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

I'm not going to insist on a new map being picked - I just wanted to state publicly that I think a bigger map favors the vets a lot. If people are fine with it tho, I certainly won't complain :)