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No. I assume you thought they could fly during a storm?

You where spot on with the early assault, you really SHOULD have won at least 1 of those 3 battles at my capital, very, very unlucky not too. If you had taken my capital, you would have won the war, no question of that.

I have sent you a truce offer, think it over. I am not suggesting you attack tir na nog (I don't think the vanir and tir are related btw in dominions mythology but I could be wrong) and certainly not our Ma Atlantian friends. Simply, sign a peace treaty and develop your nation peacefully and see what happens. You can blood hunt, forge earth stones and even strike any nation in the world if you think about it very carefully. Peace would be good for the Vanir and you might eventually get another chance at world dominion.

Well to be honest I can. A nation that can't defeat Machaka has problems. I wasn't kidding when I said Machaka was a very, very weak nation. The problem with Ma van is its units flatter to deceive, the skinshifters for example, great for expanding against indies but against a nation with a few levels of evocation magic? Essentally a waste of gold, just a few blockers in there way to hold them and fire clouds, bladewind and even magma bolts makes short work of them. There are loads of other evocations as well which will seriously spoil there day, they are really a 'poor mans' jaguar warrior but not sacred.

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Sigh, I wish I was in a interesting war...

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I'm very sorry to hear that tgbob :( Therefore I cordially invite you to bring your walking frame around to Ermor and join the huge 'Bang a Cripple' party that is currently taking place there :)

And at least that way you will be the only guest who does have an invite! Greetings Gath by the way. Hope you brought a bottle with you, and none of that cheap supermarket stuff :D

@ Jazeppi. :doh: I killed half my own mages during our showdown by forgetting to change their postitions.

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A load less sacred giants in the world is a good thing yes?

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I am back, ready to lead Abysia to victory.... though at this point, it's going to be a research victory seeing as how i have no whimpy neigbors to beat up on... :(

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@ All

Apologies everyone, but I am going to have to ask for a 24 hour delay of the current turn. Work just did the dirty on me by dumping a huge problem on my lap, so have no hope of getting home at any time resembling sense now. And trying to hold off three enemies means that a stale at this stage will be the equivalent of game over for Ermor.

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Done.

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I'm not at the game, but according to the llamaserver it looks like one of the two remaining Atlantis' went AI?

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Just a heads up, I'm going to Hong Kong on Sunday and flying back on Monday. I'll be taking my laptop so there shouldn't be a need for a delay. The flight itself is only 2-3 hours long too.

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Congratulations to Meglobob's Machaka and his Crippled Warrior Champion, 'Abuu'.
Never before has this land witnessed such awesome raising of the skeletons.

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I scripted him to do flame eruptions but never cast a single one, must have been out of range, never mind.

All hail Abuu, champion of (very few) champions!

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So since Gregstrom won Joker as Machaka, can we force Meglobob to go AI since he is officially no longer a "cripple?" :p
lol

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Well, Gath is also winning in the "Wildpansies" game. I think the sudden presence of an "uncripple" should be handled by diplomacy. Well, this will just make "Cripple Fight 2: The Night of the Living Lame" a smaller game.

Also, to Tir'na'Org.

ouch, Ouch, OUCH!

Damn that was a nasty air drop invasion. But once I manage my research to "Construct anti-aircraft turret" for my smiths, things will be different.

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LOL. Well, we'll see if I can hold onto those provinces. In other games with Tir/Eriu I got a lot of provinces through raiding but was unable to win army vs. army and eventually lost them again.

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Has he? Well done Greg!:)

Bogarus could well win artifacts...eventually and Arco/Atlantis are in pole positions in this game, so there may be alot less crippled nations by the time this game ends.

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I hereby bag EA Ermor again for the re-match. Since I have no doubt what-so-ever that they will still be firmly classed as crippled by the end of this one.

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It's official, LA Gath has won a game in "Wildpansies". The number of cripples is going down by the minute!

At this point, "Cripple Fight 2: The Lame Strikes Back"* seems like a 10 player game. Players of the first one will be given first pickings. But that's in the future.

* If you have any good cripple punchlines for the second game, PM them to me. As you can see, I suck at this.

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Well, why do not push the punchline to its full potential?

Cripple Wars 2: The Lamepire Strikes back?

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I love it!

and good, now we can set Gath AI too. :p
now come on someone, win as LA arcos!!!

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Huge congrats to Bandar for the nastiest Soul Slay spamming i've ever seen. that was disgusting.. glad it wasn't me. lol.

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Round 2 goes to you Vanheim. Thought my army would do better than that but the lightning really hurt my sacreds and the blade wind destroyed my archers...

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I am confused by the battle at the Bandar Log capital.

I saw a devestating victory for Bandar, with La Arco running for the hills. Yet the graphs/map shows La Arco has captured the Bandar capital, hence a victory?

Am I getting misleading battle replays?

Two enjoyable battles this month, Bandar vs Arco and Van vs Tir. Glad I got to watch both of them. The soul slay spam was fab, best I have ever seen! Must have destroyed 1,000's gps worth of elephants!

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I was wondering the same thing. how did Arco win..?

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Sounds like an another instalment of the battle replay bug. The battle you saw didn't actually happen as you saw it. It has something to with DNR rolls getting corrupted..

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I would like to know how Acro won as well. :dk:

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Looks like MA Atlantis staled the past couple of turns...

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that is really annoying. they owe me boots of quickness lol.

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Anyone have any suggestions what we do about MA Atlantis? They've staled the last three turns, and don_Pablo has also gone MIA in the 'Legends of Faerun' game as well, so it's not just this game.

Usual procedure now is to either get a sub, or turn them AI, but not sure if both have some drawbacks here. Turning them AI is just out of the question for me, since MA Atlantis seem to easily have the best position right now (although still crippled obviously) and turning the game leader AI is never a good thing. Also an AI water nation could be a nightmare for anyone near the water right now, which I'm guessing is probably most nations. Could try to find a sub of course, but would that run risk of the sub doing something that wasn't part of don_Pablo's gameplan (assuming he/she is coming back of course).

Bizarrely, it might be better to let them stale, since that doesn't have the drawbacks mentioned above, and can't imagine MA Atlantis are hurting too much right from the stales right now in their unassailable underwater paradise. Biggest danger seems to me is them maxing out on one of the research trees!

Thoughts anyone?

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It looks like don_Pablo set Atlantis AI. As much as I hate roll backs I don't think we have a choice, for the reasons Calahan outlined above. Either finding a sub (preferable) or just letting them continue to stale would work.

I would like to request that we not resubmit turns when we roll back - just have a sub remove the Atlantis AI command and then rehost. I had a fairly good turn and while the random number generator might not be as kind the next time around at least I won't have to redo everything.

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+1 (or +1 Million if it counts)

Can't believe that! An AI Atlantis would turn this game on it's head right now. I'm still in work, so haven't seen the current turn yet (always a good thing if a rollback is on the table. Better not to know what you missed IMHO). But just checked the llamaserver and can see that Atlantis has indeed disappeared from the turn waiting roster.

Burnsaber has given me the admin password, so I could do a rollback now, but I won't until a few more players give their views, and of course Burnsaber giving the ok.

Edit: And of course no submitting of new turns during the rollback is a given.

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Thanks, Calahan.

It was when I was looking at my turn that I realized Atlantis was probably AI. That or he was feeling generous since he sent me some ... stuff. I can safely say that a sub would have some resources to work with. ;)

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Yes, I'd guess Atlantis's almost double research to their nearest rival offers them more than just an artificial advantage by now :D

Might just start a sub hunt post now actually, since I'm just twiddling my thumbs in work until I go for after work drinks.

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Well the usual course of action with a inactive position his put AI or a sub found. Just letting a nation stale is not a good solution, in fact its the worst, as he does not even defend himself. Sooner or later someone is bound to use a thug/SC to swallow his provinces with no risk of retaliation and thus gain a unfair advantage.

A sub is of course the best solution but hard to find subs.

Atlantis going AI is a reasonably good solution, he will not hold the game up, always do his turns and defend himself. Of course he is just normal AI so is zero threat to anyone long term. Even cripples can defeat normal AI.

So I vote no to a rollback, unless a sub is found then I am okay with it.

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I agree we should go ahead and look for a sub. It can be difficult to find them but this is a good position (but also not a late game micromanagement nightmare) so perhaps we'll have better chances. It's worth spending a few days to try to find a sub.

While the AI isn't a threat long term in the short term it's a problem if you are already involved in a war and have an extensive coastline. Still, I see your point about just letting him stale not being a good idea.

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I've never been in a game where a nation that was leading by so much suddenly turned themselves AI, so not sure how it will affect things overall, but to me it just doesn't seem right to allow it to happen.

I understand the logic behind it from a 'at least the AI doesn't hold the game up and can defend itself' point of view, but in this specific case I think it does more harm than good. As if nothing else some nations may be able to take advantage of an AI Atlantis by attacking them, and some may not. But one thing for certain is that nobody is going to decide to attack them right now if they were human controlled, since that would be suicide. So to me this just seems too unbalancing for the game right now.

Of course I also have a pure hatred of nations going AI in MP games, so am probably very biased in my views :) but happy to go with the majority on this.

Have created a new post looking for a sub anyway. Can't hurt to look I feel, since finding one would at least give us the option of using the sub.

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I agree on the sub finding policy. Let's wait till monday. If no sub is found then, Atlantis will stay AI.

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I can take a look and I may be able to find time for one more game. Others are in early stage :)

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The turn before atlantis went AI, me and atlantis had agreed to some trading. i sent the gems, and then he started to stale. if we do set him AI, can i get the gems back first or the items in question?

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Hopefully Zeldor will be able to take over the position and that will solve the issue. If for some reason we don't roll back PM me what the gems/items were and I should be able to send at least the gems (if the items weren't forged) from what Atlantis sent me.

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It looks like I will take over. So PM me about diplomatic relations etc. Bribes to attack someone accepted too.

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so are we doing a rollback?
if so, i'm confused about the ettiqute of it. should i redo all my orders since my opponents know what i'm about to do, and thus need to plan accordingly, or does everyone simply re-submit their turns and we slip Zeldor's in?

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All turns are stored for rollbacks. It shows that no one has submitted their turns, to notice if anyone submits smth changed. So only Atlantis has to submit the turn [so me].

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ok thanks. lol was worried for a sec. it was a good turn

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So is there anyone here that is against the rollback now that Zeldor has kindly offered to sub for Atlantis?

Megalobob, I am going to take the above as meaning you are ok with a rollback now that a sub has been found. Please post though if that is not the case.


Never had to do a rollback before, but my understanding is that all the turn files from the previous turn are kept on the llamaserver, and these will be used to process the turn if no new turns are sent in to replace them. So once the turn is rolled back, nobody should send a turn in apart from Zeldor, and then as soon as he sends his turn in, the game can be force hosted. After which we should be back to where we are now, only with Zeldor on board as Atlantis.

I will be retiring for the night soon, so if I don't roll the turn back tonight, then I will do so in the morning (unless of course we get objections) or I could just pass Zeldor's email onto Burnsaber for him to arrange the rollback. Although not sure what time zone he is in.

Any questions? ... Yes I have one, what will we do if someone besides Zeldor submits a new turn during the rollback? Answer, uuurrgghh, I don't know to be honest. Since you could call it cheating to alter your turn using the knowledge you gained. Just have to hope that everyone plays fair I guess.

Edit: Damn, got ninjad all over the place. My typing speed goes down the drain after a few beers :)

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I'm going to get some sleep now anyway and will be able to do the turn tomorrow evening [busy day] - European time.

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Ok, 'Morning has broken' as they sing, and no objections to the rollback to be seen.

But I won't rollback the turn right now, since Zeldor has indicated he can not do his turn done until this evening, and rolling back at this moment would mean an extra 10 hours for someone to "accidentally" send an altered turn in when they shouldn't. So I will ask Zeldor to PM me when he's around this evening, and sort the rollback out then. Hope that's good with everyone :)

@ Burnsaber - Hope you don't mind me taking the admin lead with this rollback issue. Seems I was just the one around the forums at the time the issue came up. But you are more than welcome to arrange the rollback if you wish, since you are the main admin after all :) :secretly prays the rollback doesn't buggar things up leading to the lynching of the second admin:

I don't mind at all. I have a bunch of yardwork to be done and I'm heading for a late saturday night shift after that so I'll be away from my computer a lot.

You seem to have things under control.

and for futere reference, I live in finland, and thus live in GMT +2 time

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The turn will be getting rolled back in the next few minutes. Fingers crossed that everything will go as planned.

And a final reminder to everyone not to submit any new turns during this time.

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Zeldor's just got his turn in, so I am going to force the hosting now.

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Cool. I already have some evil plans :)