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Well I first reported on this vehicle back Oct. 2009 (Pg 2.) and as I followed up expressed that I thought it would be chosen in the end, well it was last month by Austrailia for the Land 121 Program. HAWKEI has made the grade. It has been reported by my other sources as well, and it's about three years out for game consideration. This is just for tracking purposes.
http://defense-update.com/20111214_hawkei_selected.html
http://defense-update.com/20090929_hawkei-2.html

Regards,
Pat

More on HAWKEI that I forgot to post with the last-sorry! But doesn't it just look like something we can all take to visit Don or Andy and have a good time getting there? Well anyway here you go...besides probably not enough room in their driveways for us to park them all anyway!?!
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/30729/

Some miscellaneous items maybe of or not of game importance that I found interesting. Maybe someone can use these?
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/23738/
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/26743/
I believe the above was the missile (Upgraded version of it.) used in that tank video I posted in the MBT Thread a month ago or so used on the Syrian tank.

Regards,
Pat

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More house cleaning and put off items for the now 2012/2013 Campaign just a handful in the MRAP category. Some of these items as shown here and in the other various threads were put off due to the heavy work load Don and Andy had to get through this year.

1) India has this vehicle as of about last fall with their police, through Mahindra & Mahindra of India is a licensed producer of the CASSPIR MK6 by BAE which was designed to compete against the GILA which made it into the game in the last patch for Nigeria and the UN. India has designated the vehicle as the MPV-1. You will note it now shares a Russian heritage as well. They will be in service with the Army later in the year.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/south...s_picture.html
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...r-India-04739/
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/27840/
ADD.
Pic:
Attachment 11752

2) Spain to purchase more RG-31 vehicles, I believe I saved this because in their OOB they didn't have them. But since that was awhile ago I'll leave myself the below "out".
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/27925/
VERIFY FOR POSSIBLE ADD.

3) Turkish designed KIRPI BMC 350 is a new MRAP which is in service with Turkey, Afghanistan and Iraq.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/turke..._pictures.html
ADD FOR ALL THREE COUNTRIES.

4) Russia buys Italian LMV. Orders are expected to exceed amount shown in this article as posted already by some of my sources.
http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...rope&Itemid=57
ADD.

That's it for now here. Along with the CASSPIR 6 will also be a verification of the countries that have the CASSPIR as mentioned in the "DID" ref I believe.

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

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It doesn't look like the UK husky made the patch, unless it's called something else. Is this vehicle in another OOB that I could copy over?

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It's an ammo vehicle (TSV) with added mine resistance - and there is no such class in MBT, so no point in the vehicle.

There are plenty of other UOR vehicles and the Foxhound seems to do the same thing if it is even used as a light PPV and not simply as a logistical vehicle.

(It's going to be a right mess this mix of 99 different vehicles - presumably some will be kept after the Afghan pull-out, but most will likely (have to) be sold off to rationalise fleet maintenance - or simply be dumped on the Afghan army?.)

Andy

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It isn't, nor is it listed as the MXT. I went back to the MRAP segment that was posted to this thread from the Patch Post one, this could've been my fault. What I didn't "fix" on the first line you'll see my standard entry, note the C2 (Crew) P2 (Passengers), pretty much makes this vehicle useless in real as well as game terms. It should have read P5 with an explanation that a RECON or other small weapons/sniper team would use this vehicle and both mount and dismount from it. In the rush to get the last part of my inputs into Don when a small window of opportunity presented itself to the both of us to do so, I forgot to fix this. If this was the case I'm sure in due time it'll be made known to us. At present I had planned to resubmit the HUSKEY as it represents one leg of the triad of new vehicles as approved in the UK MOD OUVS Program. It would however be unfair of me to say there weren't other reasons unknown to me, though I could make some guesses. I've enjoyed a very high success rate in getting equipment in, modified etc. but at times some things don't. For now, I'll take the hit plan on, move on, and resubmit for the 2012/2013 Campaign. But this is the time I leave the Bosses alone, the 2011/2012 Campaign was a tough one all the way around.

Andy,
Saw your answer as I posted mine. Pulled the below from the Army-Tech ref submitted. This was the one I was looking at and meant for the game.

"International MXT model

The International MXT is a rugged lightweight vehicle meant for border patrol, reconnaissance missions and security details. It measures 252in, 91in and 96in in length, height and width. The model is powered by the MaxxForce D/VT-365 V8 engine and is suitable to accommodate five passengers. The vehicle can be armoured with a complete range of ballistic IED and mine-blast protection solutions, integral and A-kit / B-kit configurations and 360° crew protection."

Regards,
Pat

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Flooding the TOE's with too much info,, is IMO counter productive.

Think if were you to assemble all the info you give, and keep track when it will be actually be confirmed?

Just my 2 cents:)

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What are the stats for the Husky? I will just add them to my UK OOB. This vehicle would fit how I play perfectly. I usually have a sniper team in a small vehicle try to infiltrate to the rear of the enemy and wreak havoc :-)

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Once upon a time a very long time ago there was a vehicle and his name was Willy's such a silly name, that most knew him simply as Jeep. He was made to bring supplies to the troops, get them to the doctor and other mundane jobs. However there was a nasty war far from home and he was asked to serve there, so he got fit and his friends found he could do so much more like tow a 37mm ATG and carry it's crew or because he became so fit and was so fast and agile he become better known as a scout and sometimes a raider with his team and a .50 cal, first in the deserts of Africa, then the jungles of Asia and also the forests of Europe. You know not all is what it seems in the beginning...
http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/De...NahreSaraj.htm
http://www.flickr.com/photos/defenceimages/5093271668/
And you better believe there's a Pic, this also from the UK MOD and do please note the date of the article...
Attachment 11766 Attachment 11769

For general specs on the HUSKY refer back to the army-tech ref on Pg. 10 Post #100 for the picture showing the up-armored version in the defence-industry ref also in the same post and with the picture above you might have enough for the RECON/COMBAT version for your Icon. It will carry 5 troops. Will see if I can come up with more combat pictures and or specs if still needed.

I so love a good bedtime story, especially after some of my teammates had a bit of a testy day and I feel their pain.

So good night as I have to do it again later today.

Regards,
Pat

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There will be one in the next upgrade. I'm working on the Icon now

Don

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Usually in cases like this I find the answer 5 minutes after I ask the question but I have been searching for a clear photo or indictor for 20 minutes and have yet to find one.

Can anyone tell me .......is that a 360 degree turret or a forward firing MG with armoured sides ?

Don

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Does this help, or did I mix up the vehicle?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/defence...7625408113758/
And the next image in the gallery:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/defence...7625408113758/

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Don,
That would be a 360 RO turret capable of mounting up to a. 12.7mm, though I believe the pictures show the UK LMG (7.62mm?). Away on a little R&R with CINCLANTHOME just happened to look in. Didn't see those pics when I went on FLICKR click on lsecond ref of last Post to the Scots Guards w/their HUSKY. Still getting used to this IPad I won, and you'll never guess who never gets to use it!?!
Hope you all have a great week!

Regards,
Pat

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I was reading an article about MRAPs which made me want to post the following. Apologies if it is already covered. I don't use MRAPs much if at all. Also perhaps this is the wrong thread for it but hey one titled MRAPs doesn't seem that bad right :)

Should MRAP class vehicles suffer (suffer even more) movement penalties for moving through any terrain that basically isn't road? High center of gravity is not optimal for offroading. So instead of 2 MP per Clear perhaps 3? 50/50 of getting stuck in Rough with move 1 hex, guaranteed if you move faster. This sort of thing?

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There has already been some comment that they should be classed 2WD but the discussion didn't go far

Don

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The problem would be dessert maps where I would think they would out perform 2WD, otherwise 2WD strikes me as a good option.

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Call me crazy but if the only place where they would outperform 2wd is desert, which seems reasonable, then 2wd seems a fair choice.

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I'm afraid the S. Africans for instance would have a hard time with this argument, the CASSPIR Series and the models that proceeded them have a high center of gravity as much for mine protection as the terrain they operate in. With independent four wheel drive and the special suspension units installed, they'll eat a 2WD vehicle for breakfast, lunch and dinner and flush the bolts down the pooper later. Remember a 2x4 is your car in most cases and I don't think you would take it off road except in emergency would you? Granted my car on the paved road would leave a vehicle like the recently discussed HUSKY in the rear view but I have no illusions who would win off the pavement. And you have to bear in mind the power under the hood of these vehicles again the HUSKY has a road speed of 70mph/110km(?). Go to You Tube and watch the videos of the COUGER running at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds then get back to me. What kills me in these discussions are that people forget what these terms sometimes means (Present company excluded.) 2WD=2 wheels driving the rest, while 4x4/or AWD are all the wheels driving. In summary... some of these vehicles are 2WD with "on the fly" AWD options or are full time AWD. Pay attention to the "MOBILITY" and "MANUVERABILITY" sections as you browse the vehicles of your choice. I don't know of many 2WD vehicles that can handle a ~60% gradient or ~40% side slope, that's what an MRAP and TRACKED vehicle will do for you with added protection for your troops and weapons for protection even better then a "soft target" AWD truck. And here's my disclaimer I've used them for "specialized" purposes only, I rather prefer the IFV or APC. With the second ref the MRAPs are at the bottom of the section and I see they've done some updating since I last looked in as well.
http://www.military-today.com/trucks.htm
http://www.military-today.com/apc.htm

Thank you for the opportunity to get off my last unmentionable numbered post it was "creeping" us out before we headed home!?!

Regards,
Pat

Re: MRAPs and a couple of general questions.
 

This is a such basic question,it begs a WTF? why you of all,,, are you even asking?
Do you even ever play the game?
Wonders??

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Call me crazy,but i'm thinking MRAP's are not going to improve any more than are currently,after all they are just big expensive IED resistant trucks,and nothing else special.

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Fair enough Pat. I was just tossing the idea out there. Your argument against nerfing them is reasonable.

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This is more for FYI then anything else. First I will have inputs here for the 2014/2015 Campaign, as you can see things have been quiet here, but this is mostly due to priorities in other areas vs. development in this one. So there'll be a couple of old items that were put off and new equipment introduced. I think currently I'm holding data for about 6-8 new items here. AND NOT FOR THE U.S. & UK etc. they have enough MRAPs in the OOBs I think.
Now for the real purpose of this post... Rarely do we get a chance to see equipment on TV in use, however tonight on BBC America Top Gear @ 7:30pm EST look for Richard visits Lake Como, James travels to Afghanistan, Jeremy goes to Bruges, Belium. They used to title the episodes not this year I guess, anyway James will drive the FOXHOUND and travel in the MASTIFF (Which I probaly forgot has TI for the driver and commander.) anyway very interesting I thought.
Stick around for Jeremy if you want to know me better. ;)

From the show on a memorial to the UK dead BEFORE they got this equipment (And the number of lives saved is impressive compared to the pre MRAP days.)...
"WHEN YOU GO HOME TELL THEM OF US AND SAY, FOR YOUR TOMMORROW WE GAVE OUR TODAY.
Sometimes they just leave us too soon.

Regards,
Pat

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I have to agree wholeheartedly, they definitely should be 2WD.
They're designed and intended to protect troops patrolling roads and streets NOT as a replacement for APCs/IFVs.
Of course there may be exceptions (such as the CASSPIR).

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So they have roads in Afghanistan!?! :p I'll try my quoted post before my last this way and mind you I'm a "Yankee" who's been in the South long enough to know if you want the respect of the folks around here and you by a 2x4 pickup you'll be looked (And called.) upon as being "stupider than a dxxx yankee" a person who buys the 4x4 will of course be...come on now...that's right "smarter than a dxxx yankee" I personally prefer the latter to the former!?! When "mud bogging" it's about who can get through the mud the fastest and throw the most mud around on their trucks, themselves and anyone around. They are the latter from above. Those that get stuck are the former from above subject to the riducule of the "latter", trapsing around in the mud swearing, getting wet and mudding without all the fun and worse of all watching the "latter" laughing and drinking all the beer trying to decide whether or not someone should pull the "former" out of the mud. How does this sad story end? Not to worry the 4x4 "latter" guys will pull out the 2x4 "former" guy at the cost of his beer and probaly his girlfriend if stuck as well. They don't like being embarrassed after when she probaly told him to buy the 4x4 in the first place.
Yes that's right we where talking about the MRAP. Well the UK still used them like the "Desert Rats" of old and we used them like the "Rat Patrol" of old (And the TV show too.). They generally are better protected and have a longer range then their tracked cousins. So yes they are the "former". :D

Regards,
Pat

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So they have roads in Afghanistan!?! :p I'll try my quoted post before my last this way and mind you I'm a "Yankee" who's been in the South long enough to know if you want the respect of the folks around here and you by a 2x4 pickup you'll be looked (And called.) upon as being "stupider than a dxxx yankee" a person who buys the 4x4 will of course be...come on now...that's right "smarter than a dxxx yankee" I personally prefer the latter to the former!?! When "mud bogging" it's about who can get through the mud the fastest and throw the most mud around on their trucks, themselves and anyone around. They are the "latter" from above. Those that get stuck are the "former" from above subject to the riducule of the "latter", trapsing around in the mud swearing, getting wet and muddy without all the fun and worse of all watching the "latter" laughing and drinking all the beer trying to decide whether or not someone should pull the "former" out of the mud. How does this sad story end? Not to worry the 4x4 "latter" guys will pull out the 2x4 "former" guy at the cost of his beer and probaly his girlfriend if stuck as well. They don't like being embarrassed after when she probaly told him to buy the 4x4 in the first place.
Yes that's right we where talking about the MRAP. Well the UK still used them like the "Desert Rats" of old and we used them like the "Rat Patrol" of old (And the TV show too.). They generally are better protected and have a longer range then their tracked cousins. So yes they are the "former". :D
I couldn't resist...Pics!!
Attachment 12890 Attachment 12891
Attachment 12892 Attachment 12893

Regards,
Pat

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Well obviously I screwed that last post up. Funny was talking to someone about how this year has been rough again for two in a row now and it showed in the last post-and it was a half way decent ana...story. Point being "latter" and "former aside, the
4x4 is better then the 2x4 as generally the MRAP will hold up better then a tracked vehicle in the enviroment of a country like Afganistan or Africa in general besides tanks you don't see many tracked APC or IFV types in the armies there. SANDF is a prime example of this.
http://www.army.mil.za/equipment/vehicles/index.htm
http://www.army.mil.za/equipment/wea...mour/index.htm

Thank goodness Spring Training is just around the corner!?!

Regards,
Pat

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Of course they have roads in Afghanistan, mostly dirt/gravel but roads never-the-less.

Folks seem to assume because MRAPs can be used as "Rat Patrols" or APCs in places like Iraq/Afghanistan (at least when not in the more rugged areas) they'll work just as well in say Europe, Korea, or Vietnam. Try it and see how far you get off-road.

Side Note:
My primary vehicle during Gulf I was a M890 (4×2-wheel drive version of the M880), I had the driver stay in 2WD all the time, only using 4WD when we got stuck (only happened a couple times) because this encouraged the young L/Cpl NOT to assume he could drive anywhere he wanted.

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Well the on again, off again, on again, off again oh yeah on again USA/USMC Joint JTLV Program is I think still moving forward with a couple of issues first the USMC kinda doesn't want it and it doesn't fit both literally and figuratively into the USMC scheme of things. Well you judge for yourselves, personally I'm starting to think the Indian MOD (See the most recent Jet Thread post.) is involved somehow in this.
http://www.janes.com/article/48188/p...ult-operations

But the other reason we're here is because that is assuming there is a Patch for next year I'll have a handful of items in this category, but as you'll note with this offering we're dealing with a hybrid type of MRAP that's come about in the last 2-3 years were the emphasis has been placed on increased APC protection levels along with tradition MRAP mine protection standards again as noted below.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/janua..._vehicles.html

Regards,
Pat

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That's really no surprise.
JLTV's and MRAP's are very nice for what they're designed for. Protecting passengers during road convoy maneuvers. As general use or cross-county vehicles they're less then ideal.

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Well I've been tracking this for 6yrs and 4 days (See page 3, Post 29 from Oct. 01, 2009.) and Australia has finally decided to make the purchase of the HAWKEI to replace most of their Land Rover fleet. When first posted it looked like they would have them by mid to late 2013. It was already "down selected" in I believe 2011 from it's competitors, which included the M-ATV from OSH KOSH among others. It's pretty safe to say it's probably one of the most tested vehicles in it's class as the delays really didn't stem developmental issues as much as political delays due to change of governments and mostly from economic delays. This is a very capable, very fast all terrain mini-MRAP if you will that got it's genes from the BUSHMASTER.

Sometimes you just have to stay with it to get it right. I'll be submitting only the 6 passenger version (4 door.) as the 3 passenger (2 door.) wouldn't add any value to the Australian OOB.
http://www.janes.com/article/55007/a...awkei-4x4-deal



Regards,
Pat
:capt:

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If the AMPV goes ahead I'm ready.........

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/attac...1&d=1445125540

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HOT OFF THE PRESS for my Marine Buddy...
"The U.S. Marine Corps’ Joint Light Tactical Vehicle is officially ready to deploy and support missions of the naval expeditionary force-in-readiness worldwide." So Happy IOC!! :angel
https://www.armyrecognition.com/augu...erational.html
https://www.marines.mil/News/News-Di...nal-capability
https://news.usni.org/2019/08/12/mar...ility-for-jltv

HAVE MORE ON THIS AT HOME WHEN THEY STARTED GETTING THEM TO THE TRAINING CENTERS. If you need me to post them for you I will when I get back next week. I'll be looking in as I have. If not, I'll clean out the "dead weight" in my files.

If I may take the liberty to do so as a mere "Bubblehead"..."Semper Fidelis" amicus meus! :)

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

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I believe the marine in question is more a "amica mea" :woman4: