Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

I think I underestimated how much a two turn rollback would effect the game.


Anyways, this alternate reality has played out so much worse for me than the original one that I can't stomach playing anymore. My position is unwinnable but you can feel free to try to find a sub for it. (Although it's hard to find subs for awful positions and games suffer less when awful positions stale or ai).


Also, taking a week to go from turn15 to turn16 didn't make it any easier to cope with the shift. As by the time turn 16 rolled around, I'd lost a lot of interest in the game. Overall, I found the large game+lax hosting rules policy to be fairly aggravating... a small game with lax hosting policies isn't so bad because there aren't enough people to abuse the goodwill but in a large game it just seems like an endless problem.


I'm contemplating quitting overlords as well ... all the confusing hoops dom3 players have to go through to play dom3 have been wearing on me slowly for a year... I wish dom3 had 'real' multiplayer that didn't require so many gimmicks to make work. Like civilization4 or warcraft3 or etc...

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

:( And you're not even an overlord to have to jump through all the hoops in that game.

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

The only reason I mentioned overlords is because it is now my only game and being my only game... if I were to quit all my games... this would be the same as quitting only it... theres nothing specific about overlords except that if I quit all the games I was in it would be included...

Futhermore, the hoops are the entire lack of multiplayer support.... not odd rules added.


A one turn rollback generally doesn't have much variation in the orders given so generally doesn't have much in the way of new non-random outcomes. A two turn rollback not only gives everyone lots of additional information but the ability to act on it as well. I can understand how llamaserver wouldn't know if someone was set to AI... but how someone who hosted by hand wouldn't've noticed that caelum never emailed in a turn 14 file is odd...


Dwelling on petty issues like this and feeling guilty about how much importance I place on things so petty.... this is what's led me to be unable to play. I can't play a game that makes me so upset with people who did so little to me.

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

The answer to that is simple. With something like 12-15 players still in the game, I didn't count emails. I started up Dominions and looked to see which nations didn't have played turns. I didn't notice that there was one fewer nation in the list.

Plus, I was guest-hosting a total of three games, so I was juggling a lot of emails and three different hosting schedules, a few with player-subs and other delays. Not that I'm complaining, but my focus wasn't as complete as it could have been. I missed it when Caelum went AI, and I apologize for that.

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

namad, I can relate to your frustration. I can tell you that I have been frustrated in the past with dominions b/c of one reason or another. For me the root cause is that I got really involved in my games, too involved for my own good :o
So at the past I could get upset by in game events like unexpected betrayals for example or what I considered to be unfair alliances against me. I never spoke much about this b/c I considered the fault to have been my own and always reminded myself of the "it's just a game" mantra. For me, it helped.

Also, I've witnessed first person on many occasions players that got so mad about dominions, or more accurately, fellow players. I've known at least one player who has completely slammed the door on dominions. Another that was extremely upset with me for reasons I don't want to mention (so as to keep that Pandora box close :) ).

Anyway, all that said I think it would be really nice of you to cont. playing this game. This would be very considerate towards all the players. You see, even a small nation that goes AI so early can create serious ripples in power balance and give unfair advantage to its opportunistic neighbors thus punishing most other players in the game and rewarding whom is/are your current enemies. This is mainly the reason I myself don't surrender even when all hope is gone. My meager reward is conjuring the face of my oppressor as he checks his turns and realizes how dearly he pays to gain my last territories :D

Anyway it's just a request. If playing this game so chaffs on your nerves then by all means go ahead & reject it.

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

Ah, that is what you meant. I get it now.

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

Hi Namad:

I hope you'll continue to play. However, I can try to find a substitute if necessary, and it would be nice if you could try to find a sub, too. (Please, continue playing until a sub is found, at the very least.)

Regarding the host not noticing a player going AI, djo was merely a substitute host. He was kind enough to take three games off my hands while I traveled, which was a big favor. He did an excellent job. I owe him chocolate. It is not surprising that he would not notice that a player went AI or foresee that it would be a big issue. I will try to check to see if any players go AI unannounced in the future, but it is very easy to overlook when you're hosting and not playing.

Again, it's great to have you in the game, and I hope you'll stay in it.

Pasha

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

Folks,

I'm traveling will be in tomorrow night, but it will be a little past 9 before I get it. I will send it in that night, but it will probably be around 11am.

can you please wait till i'm in to host?

PS. I do have internet, and I installed dom3 on this machine, but it is new machine and I forgot to enter copy protection, so I can't play it :(

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

I would probably never do a rollback again, unless the game had become broken in some way.

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

There is absolutely no chance of me playing out this game.

I will also not be looking for a substitute player.



I could elaborate and explain but last time I tried that there was some confusion about my point. I do tend to ramble... furthermore I really hate arguing and slander and fighting and every time I try to type it up... it feels slanderous, rude, or identical to my previous posts.

I will however be willing to compile all of the files I ever received for the game and forward them to whoever might be interested (although I assume pashadawg has these files... if this were a llamaserver game though he wouldn't...)

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

Hi Namad:

No problem. I will look for a sub.

Pasha

Re: Land Rand (pbem) - LOOKING FOR SUB!!
 

Okay. It looks like I have found a sub. I will make a general announcement later. Assuming Omni can get his turn in tonight, I can likely host tonight, but I will give the new player and Omni some leeway.

Thanks.

Pasha

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

Folket (Twokubikmeter) has taken over Namad's nation.

Welcome Folket!

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

To bad I did not manage to get the map before now and since I'm so busy today I will upload my turn tomorrow evening.

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

Okay.

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

getting a sub so easily for this game has really helped me to calm down a lot. thank you everyone involved.

my current policy has been to only be willing to allow for sub'ing if i feel like there is a high chance that I am so angry that i'll never ever play dominions 3 again... i felt like to do any less would be cowardly, dishonest, and rude to the other players!

However.... this policy means i consider quitting the community forever about twice a year neither solution is quite perfect!

furthermore if I lowered the threshold of upsetness required for me to be willing to look for a sub.... I wouldn't also be too upset to look for a sub


something I'll be thinking about in the coming weeks to say the least

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

Hello:

Turn 17 is out.

Deadline is Thursday at 9:00 p.m. Boston time.

Thanks.

Pasha

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

Hello:

Turn 18 is out.

Deadline is Sunday at 9:00 p.m. Boston time.

Thanks.

Pasha

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

LOL I'm finding this no diplomacy thing quite amusing, really.

So I take it that when your nation goes under that identifying your nation is OK but you still shouldn't post tactical information - like who killed you, etc?

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

Hi Wokeye:

Correct.

Pasha

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

Hello:

Turn 19 is out.

Deadline is Wednesday at 9:00 p.m. Boston time.

Thanks.

Pasha

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

so turns are due right now... that means that in about two more days they will all be in and Pasha can actually host?

amiright?

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

Hello:

Turn 20 is out.

Deadline is Friday at 9:00 p.m. Boston time.

Also... giving due warning, I have decided to crack the whip! If players need an extension, then please ask. I have dusted off the staling tool.

Thanks.

Pasha

Agartha
 

Agartha was played by Aethyr.

Thanks for playing! Adieu.

Pasha

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

I am looking for a replacement for MSCFish. If anybody is interested, please contact me.

Thanks.

Pasha

Re: Land Rand (pbem) - LOOKING FOR SUB!!
 

Still looking for a replacement. :D

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

Hello:

Turn 21 is out.

Deadline is Sunday at 9:00 p.m. Boston time.

Thanks.

Pasha

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

Hello:

Turn 22 is out.

Deadline is Tuesday at 9:00 p.m. Boston time.

Thanks.

Pasha

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

Hello:

Turn 23 is out.

Deadline is Friday at 9:00 p.m. Boston time.

This weekend is a holiday weekend (and Thursday is the big holiday) in the USA. So, the turn will be "due" on Friday, but we will take a flexible turn hosting schedule, because several players likely have travel plans.

Thanks.

Pasha

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

That change in schedule is bad for me since I wont be able to play a turn saturday to monday. So if I can't play my sunday turn on friday I will not be able to play it.

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

Hello:

Turn 24 is out.

Deadline is Tuesday at 9:00 p.m. Boston time. That will get us back on track with the Tuesday / Thursday / Sunday hosing schedule.

Thanks.

Pasha

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

Hello:

Turn 25 is out.

Deadline is Thursday at 9:00 p.m. Boston time.

Thanks.

Pasha

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

Hello:

Turn 26 is out.

Deadline is Sunday at 9:00 p.m. Boston time.

Thanks.

Pasha

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

Hello:

Turn 27 is out.

Deadline is WEDNESDAY at 9:00 p.m. Boston time.

Thanks.

Pasha

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

Hello:

Turn 28 is out.

Deadline is Friday at 9:00 p.m. Boston time.

Thanks.

Pasha

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

Hello:

Turn 29 is out.

Deadline is **Monday** at 9:00 p.m. Boston time due to the delayed hosting.

Thanks.

Pasha

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

Yay! I hope we can keep on scheduled hosting :)

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

Hello:

Turn 30 is out.

Deadline is Thursday at 9:00 p.m. Boston time.

Thanks.

Pasha

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

Phew *wipes sweaty brow*, broke the Pasha RAND curse, or at least it's latest flavor - being the first man to get kicked in the a** ;)

Ulm, don't sweat it. I say, if you have to go, better be the first about it. That way you get to start a new game, or have that much more time in RL if that's your thing :)

Ahm, Who are you anyway?

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

Agartha died a while back...

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

What, but, but, who was he? Oh, I see, Pasha updated the first post. So it was Aethyr. That explains why he has more time to handle a war against me in Sharivar :D

Micah, you miss nothing. :hat off.

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

Ulm was played by Calahan.

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

I'm sorry to hear that Calahan.

BTW, what's the deal with Agartha?- It's seems to always be the first out. EA and MA are weak alright but I think there's more to it. It probably has more to do with their reputation as weak nations than with them actually being weak. I mean, take a solid nation and stamp on it's forehead "I'm a pushover, please come take my lands" - that's enough to ruin that nation's life. For Agartha it's even worse since it really is all that.
As it stands, if you get Agartha in a RAND game you know you're in for a short and quite painful trip.

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

They are really that weak.

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

How many nations aren't going to be rick-rolled by shadow vestals?

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

Machaka owns shadow vestals. Abysia owns them too. Some other nations too.

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

Wow, someone managed to rickroll people in this game? Ok, I'd certainly break my scripting if the enemy started playing bad 80s music videos, so it must be a winner! The AI is smarter than we thought!

Are we allowed to discuss things that are public knowledge - like the graphs?

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

Yup. And since my own skills are nothing to brag about that equates to double trouble. :)

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

You are quite a competent player :)
Agartha just sucks. It may be nice from RP perspective just to see how long you'd be able to hold on with it. It is not really competitive. I think CBM would do well to make (unique) low level summons more accessible to Agartha so that it can survive the game's initial phase, or else close the gap in any other appropriate thematic way.

Re: Land Rand (pbem)
 

...and as the horde of enemies surrounds the last hero of Shinuyama, he activates the medallion of vengence. He does not die alone this day.

Wow, I got pummelled. Fun game though - good job attacker/s. I had some laughable luck - like losing my pretender in the rollback and finally getting a hero during the last few turns of my game. When combined with some also-laughable decision-making, I was in real trouble. No matter.

GG all. Thanks to Pasha and DJO for hosting.