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Valerius December 12th, 2009 11:06 PM

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Alpine, I postponed hosting for 24 hours. If it seems like you'll be without a computer for a longer period than how about we take up Burnsaber on his sub offer until you can return?

Alpine Joe December 13th, 2009 07:18 PM

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Alright it doesn't look like my computer will be up and running by the next hosting, so if burnsaber is still willing to take over, it would be great to have him sub in. once I get everything in order, I'll see if he still wants to keep playing, and if he does he can have the position permanently.

Thanks for everyone's patience, but this is a position where having a tough fighter to the end will be important. Atlantis has already bled its fair share of invaders, but the fish people still have a lot of fight left!

Valerius December 13th, 2009 10:12 PM

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Ok, thanks for the update. Hosting postponed again to give Burnsaber time to look over the position and submit a turn.

Valerius December 15th, 2009 12:38 AM

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I haven't heard from Burnsaber so I'm postponing hosting again.

Burnsaber December 15th, 2009 02:32 PM

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Sorry, I haven't been able to check the fprum for a while. I'll do a turn for Atlantis today.

Burnsaber December 17th, 2009 09:12 AM

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Ok, the holiday season is upon us and hence I've been thinking. I was thinking of temporarily moving to a very lenient hosting (like 72h) for the holiday week (20th-27th day). Quickhost will still be on, in case people want to keep the game moving.

Unless I hear any big objections, I'll set the new hosting to take place sunday.

Squirrelloid December 18th, 2009 10:05 PM

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I will be gone this weekend. My current turn (39?) is in. Please extend the hosting for turn 40 to sometime late monday (US Central Time) if it is set to host earlier than that. Thank you.

Valerius December 19th, 2009 02:41 AM

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Shouldn't be a problem given Burnsaber's planned holiday hosting schedule but I'll make sure turn 40 doesn't host without your turn.

Alpine Joe December 19th, 2009 01:11 PM

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I'm back up and running, and would be happy to play out Atlantis' position here if burnsaber doesn't want to keep going. If he does, then he is welcome to the position. I'm not sure how many turns you guys have taken, but I hope atlantis is still alive or I will feel silly :(

Valerius December 19th, 2009 01:45 PM

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Welcome back. I think Burnsaber was just helping out by temp subbing. If you PM me your e-mail address I'll switch it back to you.

Burnsaber December 19th, 2009 02:29 PM

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I don't mind you taking over again, Alpine. Sorry for the stale, but the hosting kind of suprised me.

Valerius December 19th, 2009 06:41 PM

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I haven't received Alpine's e-mail address yet so I'm delaying hosting.

Valerius December 20th, 2009 03:12 PM

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Postponed hosting by a few hours to make sure Squirrelloid has enough time.

Squirrelloid December 22nd, 2009 04:47 PM

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Are we taking a break over Christmas? Quickhost only 23-27?

Valerius December 22nd, 2009 09:32 PM

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Sure. I changed the hosting interval to 120 hours. If we need an additional postponement I'll do so.

BTW, according to Burnsaber's game description we are due for another change in hosting interval, so once we return to normal hosting next week we will be on 48 hours, not 36.

Valerius December 28th, 2009 05:26 PM

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I may not be able to check the server closer to the scheduled hosting time and we still have one turn outstanding so I'm postponing hosting by a few hours as I mentioned above.

Frozen Lama January 22nd, 2010 02:18 AM

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It appears that the old men of Ermor and their summoned goons have made their move to win the game. the peaceful monkeys of Bandar Log have no need for violence, but they would like to point out to the world the collection of elemental royalty and other nasties that Ermor has. If Abysia falls to the old men invasion, the game is likely to be decided. perhaps the Tuatha should aid them? or the other old guys down south in Arco?

-Ryuki Head-Sage of Bandar Log

Squirrelloid January 22nd, 2010 06:26 AM

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The 'old men' of Ermor are curious about these 'summoned goons' you mention, seeing as our rather small collection of elemental royalty are the only summons, goons or otherwise, so far involved in military operations.

tgbob January 24th, 2010 02:03 PM

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Wow, accidentally stale twice and the whole map changes.

Valerius January 29th, 2010 09:18 PM

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That was a surprise. I knew Bandar's dominion was low but I didn't realize it was that low...

Frozen Lama January 29th, 2010 10:30 PM

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lol. i've had less than 5 candles for around half the game. so goes the poor sap who gets stuck in the middle. and only has H1 guys recruitable.

sad. and arcane nexus was going to be cast this turn too

Trumanator February 1st, 2010 01:22 AM

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I enjoyed this game, and might play in the next game as well. This one is over for me though, as there is not really anything meaningful I can do. My next turn will be me setting AI. Good luck to the remaining opponents of the Ermorian menace!

Valerius February 8th, 2010 05:01 AM

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I forgot to change the hosting interval after turn 60. We are now on 60 hour hosting.

Valerius February 12th, 2010 12:38 PM

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I need a delay this turn; hosting postponed by 6 hours.

Valerius February 22nd, 2010 08:34 PM

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LOL. And so my mighty tart prophet is paralyzed for 24 rounds on the first turn of combat by a lowly S2 mage (without boosters, no less). Paralyze is OP!!! ;) A good lesson, though: while my prophet's dominion boosted HP carried over into his first fight in hostile dominion his MR (which was a lot higher than 22 in dominion), regeneration, etc., did not. Probably should have known that. Oh well, at least my awesome Sidhe Lord raiders succeeded in their tasks.

PS - stop trying to take my globals.

Burnsaber February 23rd, 2010 03:24 AM

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All of you;

GET ON WITH IT! :D

I have a "slot" for another game at the moment, it would be sweet for it to be CF III.

Squirrelloid February 23rd, 2010 11:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Burnsaber (Post 733019)
All of you;

GET ON WITH IT! :D

I have a "slot" for another game at the moment, it would be sweet for it to be CF III.

=p

I can't imagine this will go on *too* much longer...

Squirrelloid March 21st, 2010 10:46 AM

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Is it just me, or does this feel like a stalemate Valerius?

Anyway, I added more time, I'm going to need it. Trying to figure out how to actually accomplish anything in this game is making my head hurt.

Valerius March 21st, 2010 01:21 PM

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Yeah, it kind of does. But I'm not sure what to do about it since we're supposed to provide Burnsaber with a nation to be eliminated from the next round of play.

Burnsaber March 21st, 2010 05:06 PM

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You could flip a coin?

There is no need to keep on playing a stalemate game just because there "has to be" a winner. Perhaps we could just say that both nations are winners for the purposes of "getting" a spot for the next game?

The point of these is after all to eliminate the cripples ona after another and see which one is the worst. This game kinda proved that EA ermor and Tir'na'Org could win a game (if the opposition is just as crippled, of course :P).

Frozen Lama March 21st, 2010 05:16 PM

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Yeah. I want the next one to start! I'm in, i'm in. :)

Trumanator March 21st, 2010 05:56 PM

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What's the nation list for the next game?

Burnsaber March 21st, 2010 06:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trumanator (Post 736562)
What's the nation list for the next game?

Can't tell for sure, I need to do some research first with the current victorious nation thread being in the shape it is now.

I'll coma back at you say.. in a couple of days?

Valerius March 21st, 2010 11:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Burnsaber (Post 736558)
Perhaps we could just say that both nations are winners for the purposes of "getting" a spot for the next game?

That's an interesting idea. It would allow CF2 to continue without holding up CF3. You'd have one less nation for CF3 but by the time CF4 rolls around CF2 will have been decided and you can add a nation back into the mix. I think this is a good solution.

Squirrelloid March 22nd, 2010 01:14 AM

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Regardless of how this impacts CF3, do we want to keep playing this game or just declare it a draw? I'd like to know *before* i invest another few hours thinking about this turn...

Burnsaber March 22nd, 2010 01:58 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Squirrelloid (Post 736613)
Regardless of how this impacts CF3, do we want to keep playing this game or just declare it a draw? I'd like to know *before* i invest another few hours thinking about this turn...

That's for you and Valerius to decide.

Valerius March 22nd, 2010 02:05 AM

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Let's play on a while longer and see what happens.

Squirrelloid March 22nd, 2010 10:30 AM

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Very well, I added a little more time, hopefully i won't need all of it.

(Sorry for being so slow. RL has been busy and these turns have required thought).

Valerius March 22nd, 2010 03:15 PM

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No problem; RL has been busy for me as well and I've been postponing hosting just as much. If we're not holding up CF3 I think it more important at this point to take the time we need to play turns right than to stick to the hosting schedule (btw, thanks for your patience tgbob).

Calahan March 22nd, 2010 07:49 PM

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@ Burns - I could potentially return for CF3 if there's a spare spot open now that my RL has calmed down a bit. Although I'll need a new nation now that Squirrel's taken EA Ermor off the menu.

Although wondering if the remaining Cripples are now so few in numbers that CF3 will be too blitz like to genuinely call any win a win. Since the value of the likes of EA Abysia and Eriu goes up considerably if there's no late game to worry about. Maybe invite a few honourable Cripples to the show, such as MA Man, MA Agartha. Since both of those should never really be able to win a proper game. Other candidates possible as well.

Frozen Lama March 22nd, 2010 08:13 PM

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can we say MA oceania? lol.

and i support that. i would submit adding EA agartha too. Also, machaka, boragus can come back, and maybe Jomon

Squirrelloid March 23rd, 2010 04:04 AM

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MA Oceania? A cripple? I shall need to defend their honor! (Hopefully by the time CF3 gets started a game or two will have ended, at least for me.)

Burnsaber March 23rd, 2010 04:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Calahan (Post 736718)
@ Burns - I could potentially return for CF3 if there's a spare spot open now that my RL has calmed down a bit. Although I'll need a new nation now that Squirrel's taken EA Ermor off the menu.

Glad to hear that you are back! Don't worry, I'll bring up the "menu" for CF 3 later today so that you can pick your poison.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calahan (Post 736718)
@
Although wondering if the remaining Cripples are now so few in numbers that CF3 will be too blitz like to genuinely call any win a win. Since the value of the likes of EA Abysia and Eriu goes up considerably if there's no late game to worry about. Maybe invite a few honourable Cripples to the show, such as MA Man, MA Agartha. Since both of those should never really be able to win a proper game. Other candidates possible as well.

We'll we are keeping the rules as same. No nations that have won a game. But, there are all those "0.5" wins on some nations because they have got a draw (which is not winning, although a special case might be brought up for this CF2 game). So there will be some new blood for the next game.

Also, it is my dream that someday we will really have just four nations or something left and just blitz until we have a clear loser, the most crippled of the crippled. The prophesied "anti-winner", the "unredeemable", the one that can only be gazed upon with pity. I want to know which nation is the worst in the game! Yes, those games with under 6 players won't be eligble for a HoF spot, but the wins from these games are quite disputable for the HoF spot already even with 6+ players (because the competition is seriously cut down)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frozen Lama (Post 736721)
can we say MA oceania? lol.

and i support that. i would submit adding EA agartha too. Also, machaka, boragus can come back, and maybe Jomon

I'm stickin to the "no win" rule. The current rules are just as arbitary, I know. But they are clear and not subject to opinions. If you made a thread asking for weak nations, we would likely get like 30 nations as candidates. If we put in MA Man (2 wins IIRC and a real cripple), we should likely also put in EA Ulm (2 wins too), if we put in EA Ulm, we should also put in EA R'lyeh (definately crippled and 1.5 wins), if we put EA R'lyeh, we shoul put in.. (etc)

It's a slippery slope my friend, leading to a absolute clusterf*ck :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Squirrelloid (Post 736744)
MA Oceania? A cripple? I shall need to defend their honor! (Hopefully by the time CF3 gets started a game or two will have ended, at least for me.)

I'll list the nations for the next game in this thread later today. I'll make a thread for CF 3 in easter or after it, depending on how my work and holiday days pan out.

Calahan March 23rd, 2010 06:35 AM

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It's good to be back Burns :) Not back 100% yet, but slowly freeing up 'me' time by trouble shooting my RL problem list.


Entirely your call on leaving it as 'Cripples' only. So only non-winners it is then. (which does include the 0.5's as you say).

But I demand an official enquiry into the accounts of MA Man. 2 wins. F$%£ OFF is all I have to say to that! Has JK/KO or QM been around with the steroids since I was last here or something? I demand answers, and a headcount on stuffed brown paper bags.


And didn't QM solve a lot of MA Oceania problems by getting rid of the magic path loss on land their mages suffer from. Or am I imagining that happened in the last CBM?!? (although that's not to say the nation isn't still struggling even with this boost)

Burnsaber March 23rd, 2010 08:43 AM

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Okay, here is the list of nations for CF 3, assuming that the result from CF2 is inconclusive and both EA Ermor and EA Tir prove their non-crippletidute.

Code:


EARLY AGE:

Abysia: 0
Atlantis: 0.5*

MIDDLE AGE:

T'ien Ch'i: .5
Agartha: .5
Bandar Log: 0
Eriu: 0

LATE AGE:

Caelum: .5
Arcoscephale: 0 -- reserved by PM by Agent Smith
Atlantis: 0.5 -- reserved by PM by Frozen llama

*I'm not counting Kianduatha's win in Libra for this purpose, because the UWGIM mod used in the game is custom-build to improve UW nations and we are looking at CBM cripples. (I did count Kientsensei's Oceania win though, because HW is a more global mod, improving all nations at least somewhat the same level)

Graeme Dice March 23rd, 2010 10:28 AM

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Bandar Log did win the Fastblitz game, if you're at all interested in results from a five-player, 300% gold/resources/supply game.

Burnsaber March 23rd, 2010 11:23 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Graeme Dice (Post 736794)
Bandar Log did win the Fastblitz game, if you're at all interested in results from a five-player, 300% gold/resources/supply game.

Well five players is basically a blitz and many of the nations listed have blitz wins, so I can say that it won't count for this purpose.

Blitz wins will only count after I say that they do, which is when we get down to under 6 nations :P. Although at that point I should probably make a spin-off game that just had weak nations in selection. I think that there is demand for crippletastic games.

ghoul31 March 23rd, 2010 01:16 PM

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I'll take MA agartha

Valerius March 23rd, 2010 06:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Burnsaber (Post 736809)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Graeme Dice (Post 736794)
Bandar Log did win the Fastblitz game, if you're at all interested in results from a five-player, 300% gold/resources/supply game.

Well five players is basically a blitz and many of the nations listed have blitz wins, so I can say that it won't count for this purpose.

Bandar also won the Lapis game.

ghoul31 March 23rd, 2010 06:58 PM

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you could add some of the weaker mod nations


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