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The only other mean I know of is lowering taxes, but that's not interesting here :) (it is when blood hunting, though).

As for taxes, I do not raise them at start with Tir na n'Og ... I do not have to pay for giants or sacred cavalry, so there's no need to kill off population early for me :angel

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Okay, just received the file, will be screwing up my first move shortly.

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Can I request an extra four hours on the next turn? I've put in for turn two already, but I'm moving back home for the summer holidays tomorrow, and I'm thinking if turn two goes off slightly early (due to the auto-resolve), then I mightn't be able to play my third turn before the time limit kicks in.


And as far as first turn taxing goes - I set mine to 170, but then only managed to bring unrest down to 6 by patrolling. Not sure how much that affects subsequent earnings from tax, but it seemed to be reduced from last turn by 5-10%.

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hmm curious i set mine to 200 and reduced unrest to 0 by turn 2...

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Every nation has a different starting army. I think the unit speed and if it's flying affect the amount of unrest they can reduce per turn, and knowing dominions, I'll bet that there's some random number generator also smashed in there somewhere in generating or reducing unrest.

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What happens when a user hasn't provided a turn in the 24h limit Llama has defined, while all others have submitted. Will the server send a message or will it kick the player?
I have no problems raising the time limit for a few hours next turn for 1 turn only, but if the system waits anyway I dont have to change anything.

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The turn proceeds without orders for those players who haven't got their turn in in time, so their armies won't move, they won't recruit units etc.

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Turkey-day break? I will be unable to do turns, due to lack of computer and net access, the 24-27 of this month. Hopefully we can all just have a holiday break, but if not I can find a sub.

I guess it was a little unclear that my declaration of war was directed specifically at experienced players in order to disadvantage myself and otherwise level the playing field.

For a few nations (Hinnom and Niefelheim) you can 1st turn/blind attack with the starting army most of the time and a dozen giants aren't that great at patrolling.

I sort of thought I would find something about this subject linked from The Strategy Index. This is an awesome reference if everyone isn't already aware of it.

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Ok all players, please send in a vote about what to do in the 24th-27th... Do we want Pyg to find a sub or do we put the game on ice for three days?

I have no problems with a break BUT I don't want to break this game up too often either because of the risk of people bailing out of impatience...

I will up the turn limit for the next turn to 32 hrs to accomodate pfloom. After those 32 hrs it goes back to 24hrs again.

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I vote for a sub, for multiple reasons, Pyg seems to consider himself somewhat more experienced, which means this may not be the best game for him, and of course, hes declared war on me:P But mainly because a 3 day pause will not only ruin my train of thought (ill forget what i was doing) but I also fear that people will lose interest in it and quit.

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If I ally myself with pyg here, does that mean I'm also at war with Helheim, Ermor, Arco, & Neifelheim? :sick:

Oh well, I do like turkey with all the trimmings.

Seriously though, an extension of any length will help me over the holiday too.

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I would say yes. Allies are seen as 'one group' by enemies. At least in my world. ;)

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First, there may come a time that your computer or Internet connection goes down due to winter storms etc. While we have to remember that Thanksgiving is an American holiday and we have friends on here from all over the world, I can't see any of us saying NO to a reasonable extension for a holiday in any of our countries.

I say we give Pyg and ourselves that extension as a courtesy to ourselves. I am MORE concerned with the lengthy extension we are comtemplating around Christmas. Its on a Friday and a reasonable Thursday to Monday extension sounds good.

However, from what I have read we are thinking of a series of extensions that could go on for 2 to 3 weeks during that time.
I think your going to find out that some players that aren't doing so well will disappear leaving their nations AI and throw the game out of balance.

To 'Stagger',

Just because Pyg has said he declares war on everyone that has more than a small amount of expieriance doesn't mean 'we the declared upon' are a coalition' OR that as soon as he see one of the supposed enemy he is going to attack them.

Pyg is an excellent player, but he is taking on some heavy hitter nations (except poor 'ol' Arco of course). If you are becoming an ally with Pyg and expecting this to become a world war, you are mistaken and will become a potential enemy of 4 or 5 nations. Better to form a Nap with him and see where you are at the time.

We are off to a good start guys and our Fearless Leader and Admin is doing a GREAT job so far.

Just my opinion of course gentlemen:up:

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Also...The first page lists the players and the nations thry are playing....

Argatha and Ryleh arn't listed. WHO is playing these respective nations?

Its hard to have Diplomacy if we don't know who they are.

PM me if you want or just post on here.

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:doh: My apologies to all, but I was just trying to voice my support for a short break over Thanksgiving. My wife doesn't get my sense of humor either. I am not offering an in-game alliance with anyone at this time. I will choose my words more carefully in the future.

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Crazy pills?

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I got it ;)

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Arghhhhhhhhh....

Wrong game NO ARGATHA NO RYLEH in here:doh:

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You had me worried there, Grudge... I thought you were finding evidence of a large scale conspiracy! :D Thanks for the kudos, Grudge.
I am trying my best here. :angel

I have no objections to an extention of turn time, as I said above. But we should try to avoid having too many breaks as it will make people forget what they were doing. I am one of those as well.

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Since this is supposed to be a learning experience, i will share what i just learned in another Newbie game i am playing (Casual EA for busy schedules).

Namely: You can tell a lot about the graphs in the nation statistics.

A few things are suggested (though i could be wrong).

Firstly, TirN'Nog has an awake pretender and is using it to expand. How do i know this? Well, their dominion is way above anyone else's (thus an awake pretender with a strong dominion) and they have 3 provinces instead of 2 like most other players.

Next: Ermor lost its first expansion party. Their number of provinces stayed at 1 but their army size was reduced dramatically. This suggests that the independents (or other player-nation) that they attacked had a stronger army then they expected .


Normally i wouldn't say this sort of stuff but its supposed to be a learning experience and so i thought i would share.

There is more stuff hidden in those stats that can be interpreted and i encourage you to give it a try.

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See, I told you I'm terrible at this ;)

It's a set-back, I was being ambitious and yes, I came up against a stronger force than I expected. It's not as big a problem as it might have been but I'll be forced to use gladiators which will delay the building of my second fort.

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I can say with relish that anyone who allies pyg will become an enemy of Nifleheim. And I hope hes my neighbor. =)

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True.
You can look at research too : first turn research is often an awake pretender (there's exceptions of course, like Sauromatia which starts with a mage, but most nations starts with a regular commander and a scout).

(And high dominion is important for Awe, which is important in early SC pretenders)

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:hide: I am already writing my first AAR, tentatively titled "Consequences Shmoncequences - What Harm Could A Little Joke Do?"

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Lol! :)

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Thanks for the delay, got my turn off now.

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I only just figured out that unlike the Shahrivar I'd been testing on, this one had recruitable independents.

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So, are lots of people bumping borders? Without saying who i've bumped borders with, i've already been forced into some early diplomacy due to the location of my capital vis-a-vis another player's capital.

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Yea, scouts have been reporting back national forces along Ulm's borders...


Again, for diplomacy, I can be found on AIM (preferred) as 'Alehkhs,' or at athavens [at] gmail.com, or just PM's on these forums.

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To receive PM's on this forum, you have to enable it in your profile.

And yes, I have encountered a neighbor or two. We will soon see if there is anything to this diplomacy of which so many of you speak.

Are we on 24h turns anymore? Seems longer.

Did we ever get a resolution on Pyg's request for time next week. I will be taking the wife and kids to my dad's, and will likely not be available from Wed PM - Fri PM. It is a big holiday here in the states. They say Wed night is the single biggest bar night of the year.:beer:

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We are on 36 hours.

I don't mind a longer time for this next week.

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Indeed, I've fixed that now. Thank you.

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Are you sure you've fixed it?

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I am neighbours with other empires as well, so it seems. Negotiations have been started. (Yes you know who you are! :angel).

As far as the turn cycle. It's still set on 36H at the moment, because I forgot to set it back. After this turn it will go back to 24H as agreed and if you guys do not object.
However, next week we will have Stagger Lee unavailable for three days.
I guess its best that you look for a sub and tell him what to do in those three days so you can continue when you're back while the game can still progress.

So far things run quite smoothly I think!
I am having a lot of fun, although I have no clue as to what I am doing gets me anywhere. :eek:

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I have family visiting from that wednesday until sunday and would also request that we put the game on hiatus but if its only a few of us celebrating turkey-day, then i can try and find a sub too.

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Assuming everyone would agree; How long should this hiatus be? 3 days? Can I pause the game on LLama?

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you just set the turn timer to 72 hours (or something similar) instead of 36 or 24 then set it back. there's probably another way but that should do it.

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Admin options -> Postpone hosting. Self-explanatory :)

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Did Pangaea get his turn in?

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no. no i didn't. Sigh, computer/internet issues i'm afraid, but everything should be set now. Apologies (though i guess i'm the one that'll notice most...)

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Pfoom- i sent you a couple PMs but i am not sure you have your setting set to accept them. Could you please PM me or e-mail me at philgob (at) hotmail (dot) com please? I would like to perform some diplomacy with you.

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Just glad you're still with us:)

Does anyone know if PMs sent can be saved? I think they should be in my sent items folder, but it's empty. I would really like to be able to go back and see what I actually said to someone, and not rely on what I think I said.

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If you want to have a sent mail to be saved, you'll have to tick the "save a copy of this mail to the sent mail folder" when sending a PM. I don't know if it can be defaulted to yes, but I rarely keep backups of what I've sent to others, since my mail folder is full to the brim anyway (actually, time to clean it up again I suppose...)

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can you force hosting? the llamaserver is saying all 2h turns received, but its not going to host for hours yet..for whatever reason.

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Done. Turn should be underway in the next 5 mins.
Xanatos, you haven't replied on my diplo yet. Is that on purpose or didnt you get the msg at all?

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Thanks Ys, I was wondering what was up there too.

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Well, I have a problem/bug of some sort:

Whenever I take a turn, it doesn't update my 2h file.

Instead, I have to rename my D&G folder to 'DavidandGoliath2,' then move the .trn file to a new 'DavidandGoliath' folder and redo my whole turn. Only then will it create a new .2h file.

Does anyone know this problem?

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It still says you are not accepting PMs

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hmmm... this is peculiar.

*changes yet more settings*

Try again?

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Regarding the 2h files problem; if you are using linux or OSX, I'd check that you've got the correct permissions in the folder (I don't honestly know how far Windows has an equivalent permissions system). Also, have you tried deleting the old 2h file before you take your turn? Do you "save & quit" or "end turn" to save your game?

I haven't encountered this issue.

About PM's - try sending someone a PM. Once that's successfull accomplished, you should be able to receive them.