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Jomon has said he will go AI?

At any rate, I was fighting him.

I also have posted for a sub, and can't find one. I don't want to stale or AI, but must unless a solution presents itself immediately.

I will be gone from Saturday tomorrow, until Saturday June 5th (one week).

Unless something happens, I will turn Pythium to AI.

I have enjoyed playing online on the server like this. It is easier than playing via email and I like that. I feel like the game has barely begun.

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Request for Extension

I am going camping this weekend Friday, June 25th through Sunday, June 27th. I will be back Sunday Evening, and I am in the CDT Time Zone (GMT - 5 in Summer). I would prefer a weekend extension.

Additionally, if our turns are not at 36-48 hours yet, we should bump the turn time up.

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Anyone against 48 hour turns and a weekend break?

Also is anyone else having trouble connecting, cause the game keeps freezing at the retrieving game info part for me.

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Just a note: Utgard is now AI.

I'm surprised we've gone more than 60 turns all at 24 hours and no one has asked for interval increase. Quite impressive.

I wouldn't be against 36 or 48 hours as of next turn. Might lean toward 36 but either one is fine. I'm handling the 24 OK so far. No problem with me if an extension is needed over the weekend.

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That makes 4 AIs, now? Craziness.... Don't people ask for subs anymore?

Fortunately, I believe that AI Marignon and AI Jomon are duking it out for supremacy of the noreastern region of the continent...

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Scratch the extension for me, I no longer need it. The campsite is flooded so we're "camping" in the back yard instead... and I would prefer to go to 36 rather than 48, not that I'm necessarily interested in either. I figured, since this was a game with new people, that we "should have" gone to 36/48 by now since we're getting into late game phase, but if everyone can keep up with the 24 hour turns, that's cool, too.

I have noticed that my most recent several turns have required two looks--one to survey and plan, then let it stew for a few hours and come back and change orders around before submitting.

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Please, please, PLEASE STOP GOING AI!

We can at least try to get subs. If you just "go AI" we got nuthin'!

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If Corvus wishes it I can put an AI lock on this game.

Its become a rather popular feature. You can set your nation to computer player but the game wont accept it unless I add that nation to the allowed-AI list. That gives the person running the game a chance to decide if they should hold up for a sub or allow the AI.

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Well, on the one hand I'd hate to put the game on hold to look for 5 subs, which would probably take a while. On the other hand, with so many computer controlled players I get this odd feeling R'lyeh's gonna snowball. Seeing as Mictlan was the only thing stopping him from taking the western side of the southern continent... Do the people still playing want to wait a while, maybe a long while for subs, Or continue to duke it out as it stands, or should we just say this ones been killed by drop outs?

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You can't replace the previous people who AI'ed out. The only one that can be repped is Herr Heimlich (Mictlan), and that is what I'd suggest.

R'lyeh would not be able to "snowball" as you say. I could grab a significant portion of the eastern territories and I'm sure Septimus (Atlantis) could grab his western possessions.

Regardless of strategy, I suggest pausing the game and finding a rep for Mictlan.

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Extension Request

Oh! BTW... That extension I requested earlier and canceled is needed now. The camping trip was postponed due to flooding, but this weekend it's all good, so I will be Internet free from Friday afternoon, July 9th through Sunday afternoon, July 11th.

That should fit well into finding a sub. This game is just starting to get good.

Re: Nub Bash 2010 - Late Age - Started NEED SUB FOR LA MICTLAN
 

So I guess that settles it, I'll ask the host to put a lock on Mictlan and pause the game.

Re: Nub Bash 2010 - Late Age - Started NEED SUB FOR LA MICTLAN
 

Ok, Corvus. What are we doing here?

Has a sub been found? Has anyone been actively looking? Are we going to continue on or call the game?

Thanks.

Re: Nub Bash 2010 - Late Age - Started NEED SUB FOR LA MICTLAN
 

I've been poking around with no luck. To be perfectly blunt I'm pretty sure I'm boned long run for this game, so I might not have been as enthusiastic as I should have. If there isn't a sub for mictlan in a day or two I guess we'll have to just do without.

Re: Nub Bash 2010 - Late Age - Started NEED SUB FOR LA MICTLAN
 

Due to my edit button still hiding from me.

I guess we'll have to resume the game without a sub for Mictlan. I'll PM the host.

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Can't be sure (without seeing the staling data), but I believe the R'lyeh player may have gone AWOL. R'lyeh seems to be the last to submit (if at all) and I've received no response to any in-game messages.

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http://game.dom3minions.com/games/nubbash/

Good catch.
I rotate up to 9 stat files. I show 3 stales
1.stats.txt:R'lyeh didn't play this turn
2.stats.txt:R'lyeh didn't play this turn
3.stats.txt:R'lyeh didn't play this turn

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Hells bells not another one.

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...sigh...

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Does this happen often? The first post shows 4 players going AI and now 2 are not playing. Doesn't really seem like multiplayer.

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Actually yes it happens often. Very few people ever actually see the end game announcement of Dom3. Most of the games are ended by decision. Just agreeing on who the winner is.

This game is on turn 84. Thats impressive for a game that started with 9 players.

This one has more than usual AIs. But thats a common symptom of games involving new players. Especially IMHO if they have been encouraged to skip solo play and jump straight into MP

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What does skipping solo play have to do with giving up?

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There are now only 3 players left (provided R'lyeh is gone), but for this part of the game, that would be normal. 3 people is still multiplayer.

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Well on AVERAGE (not every player maybe)
Solo game is when you do lots of just dropping the game when things go wrong to start a new one and try it different. At first it might be 2 turns in, then 5, then 10. Finally you feel like you have a nation and a build that works for you. Eventually even one that regularly lets you win the game. It would take an unusual game player in my opinion to be jump straight into multiplayer dom3 and be willing to stay in the game after what you feel is a catastrophic loss.

Whats interesting is how many of these games Ive seen those human-turned-AI players continue to kick tail and even win games. When the AI can play a players nation better than the player, that would tend to show a lack of time in solo play. Thats why Ive started adding a "cant turn AI" lock on many of my newbie games.

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So what are we going to do with R'lyeh? It seems more and more like the only option for this game is to AI them, but... I was attacking him... With the exception of some Elemental Royalty and a pair of Shishi's, he doesn't really have any army that I saw--just a few water squishies and insanes--neither of which can kill demons. The SC's can though, and I was kinda looking forward to attacking them. -.-

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Well, r'lyeh does have a few tarts around his pretender. Pretty sure the ai Won't be able to effectively use them, and his income and territory is so boned I doubt the AI will accomplish anything, but there ain't much choice it seems...

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Well... I suppose, convert him to AI then. ...grumble...

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I can take a look at your R'lyeh, see if there's anything left to fight with... if not I'll just set it to AI for you guys.

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R'lyeh isn't password protected I think, so hop on and take a look if you want. He isn't terribly boned for a human, its just the AI wouldn't know how to use what he has.

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The stales of R'lyeh have resulted in the death of his pretender in my siege of one of his castles. I'm sure that if someone was actually playing R'lyeh, that he would have teleported his pretender out before the siege.

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This is very bizarre logic. If SP teaches you to give up whenever things get tough and just start again, more SP experience would seem to result in MORE quitters. Less SP experience might just teach you to play through the game since you can't just reload.

And the other obvious conclusion is why the hell play MP if you end up killing AI's. You can do that in SP at 40 turns a day instead of wasting months to find out you are just fighting the AI. Sounds like a phenomenal waste of time to me.

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Im saying solo teaches you that. Im saying it gets it out of your system.

I know I tried and dumped alot of nations early on before I found one I was comfortable with. Id hate to have tried them in mp first.

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Sounds a lot like practicing the piano solo and quitting whenever you find it hard is good training for performance.

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I wouldnt say that.
If you are going to compare it to instruments then Id compare it to all instruments. I wouldnt recommend jumping into professional training right away. Its best to mess around abit with each instrument and get a feel for which one you want to stick with.

Jumping into MP in Dom3 chances getting trashed with a dozen nations and giving up, never figuring out that nation 28 is your best one.

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I don't see whats the problem here, all he said is play around with nations in single player to get a feel for which one you like before jumping into a long *** multi-player game with no clue what you're doing.

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Well, I'll just say that I pick my races either thematically or randomly and I use SP to develop strategies. I rarely finish any SP game even with a nation that I like. One can generally tell if a particular strategy is viable long before the game finishes.

Therefore, finishing SP games is not a requirement for finishing MP games.. I use it for testing purposes only since I find the AIs boring.

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Heehee. Even I rarely finish solo games.
I do feel I have progressed beyond "quit at first loss" due to gaining confidence in solo play.

Im just saying that quit-at-first-loss is not unusual for new players whether they start in solo or mp. So recommending people jump into mp means no one should be surprised at alot of early AIs

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Problem? It's not a problem.

It's just that there is a very strange logic to the idea that practicing quitting lots makes you more resistant to not quitting. How is that supposed to work?

People are habitual. If they learn the habit of quitting when things get tough they will continue it. So playing lots of SP and quitting should result in more quitting. Not less. That's my problem with the suggestions listed here.

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I agree with Eximius generally. A game started under the premise that you have chosen to play it with others means that you will continue to play or find a suitable replacement for yourself if unable requires the virtue of Honor and nothing more.

No amount of practice in SP can grant you Honor. You have to take it for yourself.

A player who quits because he gets upset, bored, tired, etc., is either dishonorable or undisciplined to the point where virtue is irrelevant as the person has not the capacity to understand its purpose.

All important real-life events are exempted, of course since Dom3 is just a game.

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Valid points on both sides of the argument I think.

There's alot of reasons why players may quit, drop, or otherwise disappear early. And while I agree with Gandalf that noobs may be generally less disciplined than veterans and thus more inclined to drop when the going gets tough or they get bored or busy, personal commitment, honor, and concern for the other players in the game, also plays an important role as Verjigorm noted.

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Quitting was never a problem for me, I'm fairly certain early mistakes probably already cost me this game. Its just such a small daily time commitment I don't really see the point in quitting, it just feeds the guy who beat you and makes it easier for him to beat others.

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Ok, so are we continuing, declaring a winner, or finding a sub for R'lyeh or setting them AI? I have glanced at the turn for R'lyeh, I know Blackguard also looked. I can set them AI and distribute any remaining gems, items to the rest of the players and try to move/maneuver their remaining forces into AI Mictlan or some other out of the way place if you guys want. We can also just let them keep staling, means turns will take the full 48 hours but they will be sitting ducks/defensive only and easier to conquer than if we were to set them AI and have them actively resisting. Your choice.

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Ugh, well I'll just set them to AI then. That leaves three players.

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I see someone finally dispelled my Nexus, and the Mother Oak as well. Interesting.

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Wow, I am amazed at how fast we are running through some of these turns. Now at turn 102. Must be some excitement brewing. :D

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for any interested lurkers....
http://game.dom3minions.com/games/nubbash/scores.html

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Yes, we've been getting 1.5 or 2 turns a day. It is getting quite interesting.

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Dangs.... You guys got slightly lucky on that last turn. I didn't get to do all the things I wanted to. :/

Apparently, even though it says it doesn't upload the .2h file, selecting "Save Game and Quit" still uploads the turn file...

I did about half my turn on my lunch break and then realized that I forgot to hit "Quit without Saving" as usual when I started, so I selected "Save game and Quit" which told me exactly what I wanted to hear... That it saves the turn in its current state but doesn't upload it to the server...

but it lied....

it lied to me.

I wonder... should I report it as a bug or is it a known issue?

Oh well. ^_^

I usually do my turn... then ponder... then adjust... then upload. You missed the ponder and adjust.

...and a Dispel on the Arcane Nexus again eh, and for some reason.... Atlantis' Riches From Beneath got kicked too? I'm wondering if it was a horror or on purpose... Hmmm......

Ok by me, of course.


Also Mr. Ulm... Did you like that battle last turn? You seemed to think you would win in advance (referring to the castle as I built as a "free" castle in your haughty little message), but then you died. :'(

I had to swallow my pride and ask around about Iron Blizzard. The missiles it shoots count as regular missiles, so they can be easily blocked by a shield.

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If you hit anything other than "quit without saving" a .2h file will be generated on your system. This .2h file can then be uploaded to the server by your machine when you connect/or are connected to the server (i.e. you forget to hit "exit" to disconnect from the server after receiving your new turn file).

You've done a bad thing Bogarus (by freezing the seas), although it was not unexpected. This has cost me much grief. It is almost tantamount to a declaration of war. But forgiveness can still be yours. Just make right your transgressions by taking down that global and surrender any remaining sea provinces. You know you've no business beneath the waves anyhow. No need to drag me into the war as well.

We should also probably vow to keep the Arcane Nexus down from now on. This is also a bad thing. Lets just slug it out and finish it.

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Also, I do have to admit that I was rather intimidated by that force of.... I can't remember exactly what the estimate was, but I was thinking... 900ish?

That was a lot of vampires. I was going to save the turn file, but I grabbed the new one without thinking. :(

It was spectacular--especially when Pazuzu friendly-fire wasted my Bane Lord with a Thunderstrike. :S

I hope you have something good in this 500 force... or are you just suiciding all of those wolves and thralls for some reason?