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I noticed a couple of references to Orwell in this thread. It seems like some (*not* all) people on one side of this discussion are certainly engaging in a Two Minute Hate (though it's obviously gone on a lot longer than two minutes). Though I doubt it will change anyone's mind it's worth pointing out that the reasoned, calm posts supporting Sombre carry a lot more weight than the more extreme ones.

While I'm sure it's invigorating feeling part of a righteous crusade, it doesn't really help when your martyr is unsympathetic and has brought the problem down on himself. It's actually real simple. What's more important to Sombre: participating in the forum or acting the way he wants? Obviously it's the latter. Equally obviously, there's a misalignment between Shrapnel's view of the forum and Sombre's desired behavior. That doesn't really leave many options.

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I don't remember Septimius, and for the record, I never reported Sombre for anything.

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ROFL, cuz septimus severus,and Kuritza are "respected members of this forum." Besides, you and Annette are now giving conflicting stories. She just said that there isn't any actual evidence because you guys were supposedly treating sombre w/kid gloves, and now you're saying that there were a lot of reports? Try coordinating before trying to lie to your forumgoers.

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Nice ninja there, did you feel bad for dissing the third guy?

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Just lock this thread, Annette. I started it, and I request it be locked. I do not think it should be deleted though.

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You know, the real problem here is that Truman, Frozen and Squirrell are all in the Cripple Fight game. This doesn't bode well for me. NAP, guys?

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I take your accusation of lying to you very seriously. What have I lied about? I posted earlier why I exercised our right to circumvent the infraction system.

Trumanator, the reports go to the private moderator's forum. I said there is not evidence that YOU can see.

This is going nowhere. You're angry. I get it.

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It looks like one group of users attacked another with support of admins then. And admins , having got "numerious examples" of Sombre's misbehavior were in such a rush, that didn't want to waste time of temporary bans. You are busy people. Hope you get payed for it. And hope it's nothing "personal" in what I say. Admins is a role in a community. I hope we are allowed to discuss it as well, as customers.

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Meh I think the complaining here is going way overboard.

It seems pretty clear that annette was a little too hasty with the ban-hammer. And I think she would to better to leave the door open in case Sombre calms down and agrees to behave himself.

But to call Annette a liar and big brother and a nazi and whatever is just silly. Can't we try to all be a little more respectful?

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Thanks for finally admitting that you went outside your own T&Cs, I appreciate the honesty.

So basically, you're telling us to trust you. Obviously that's not going to fly anymore. Obviously sombre isn't going to give a damn about reports on his posts, so really the only reason to not share the evidence is to conceal the lack of it.

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well forum moderating is a subjective business so there is no way to be totally consistent. But I think for the most part people behave themselves or are met with measured responses. Just because one person may have overreacted one time doesn't mean the whole system is broken.

And I wouldn't use Kuritza as an example. He quit back in January and has only made one post since.

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Though a lot of posts of users are not always very mature (but what you would expect from those who play games?), sometimes childish and aggressive, and mod's replies are more structured, when someone whose friend was hit buy a big club is screaming, it worth sympathy. He has no club, and it is natural not to love those who have and who find ways to justify use of it instead of finding all means to forget about it.

I believe forum needs admins who can rule with sense of humor and charisma rather than headcutters armed with ability to cast bans and terror. It's a community, not an army.

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It was a hammer, not a club. Clubs are for seals, hammers are for trolls.

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"-10 points oh noes"
'[the penalty] means as much to me as forgetting to buy milk at the grocery store.'

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This is entirely believable, and I have no reason to doubt it. I think the big issue here would be: Was sombre aware that he was near a permanent ban because of a history of infractions, even if he wasn't penalized for them? I mean, the stated forum 'justice' system serves two purposes - to punish misdeeds and to warn abusers that they are getting closer to more serious consequences. Permanent ban without appropriate forewarning would be a little harsh.

I am only aware of the recent PM exchange Sombre was involved with, so I don't know anything about a history of mod-Sombre interactions.

If some members of the community are being treated specially, they should still be duly warned even if they don't actually receive the penalties. Knowing how close more severe penalties are is a disincentive to committing additional violations. (And if they don't care, then they shouldn't care when the banhammer does come down).

Possibly also keep a 'shadow-record' so you have something to show for it.

Edit: Finally, I don't think showing disrespect for the rules in private PMs should be construed as a violation of the ToS or reasons for disciplinary action since (1) it isn't a violation of the posted ToS and (2) saying something and doing something are two very different beasts.

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Well the blatant lying that i see is when you say that he was bad enough to cause you to escalate. yeah you can give us hints about your secret caches of evidence, but we know what sombre actually said in the pm's that got him banned.

and basically you are lying when you say that he refused to follow your rules. he just said he could care less about the 10-point infraction. nothing about him not caring about your rules, and nothing that would indicate that a temp ban would be totally ineffective.

"-10 points oh noes"
'[the penalty] means as much to me as forgetting to buy milk at the grocery store.'

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If I reported people's posts every time they pissed me off... well, in the future no more words, since apparently those count less than clicking on forum widgets.

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Way to jump on forum members who have never been named until this post. So much for the community.

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What is the -10 point thing anyway? Is there a way we can check this in our profile?

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nope. its more of the super secret forum justice system. when you get to 100 you get permabanned.

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Well I am not terribly concerned. I'm the reigning Hexxagon Champion so I should get a little leeway like Sombre did.

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Funny thing. I always thought Sombre is above all laws and rules of the forum. He was spitting poison and bile on everybody who did dare to ask any questions. Helpful was he? Did he make new players feel welcome? Did he alieanate long time forum members?

There is no doubt Sombre has made wonderful work with mods. Yet he seemingly was above rules and was allowed to attack and rampage who ever he felt like (which was pretty much anyone who isn't a known excellent modder). How many people did he drive away from these forums? I know I prefer to post Dominions stuff on other forums, don't have the risk to get sombred in those places.

Hopefully this forum will now be slightly more friendly towards people with questions about the game in general and about modding spesifically.

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Mmm...he probably forgot to share with you another pm. At any rate, I'm closing this at the request of the OP. Good night.

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as you can clearly see Jarkko, as a result of his ban, this forum is now much friendlier. harmonius too. and i'm sure the new people see this thread and just feel very very safe and welcomed.

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Indeed, farewell to this ****hole.

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We are locking this thread as it is going nowhere now. Most of you posting over and over are just wanting to argue.

For those who want to be treated rudely you can go here:

http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?act=idx

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you showed your ugly face