Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

it s already on (6hrs before the end of the turn)

Btw he was connected yesterday at 17h45 so he could have done his turn. (especially at this point when turn are very fast to do...)

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

a stall with no notice this early cant be too good.. hopefully its nothing bad.

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

Maybe he did not get the turn file. That happened to me sometimes. At first I waited and waited for the turn file until I found out about the resend turn option on the game page.

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I hope he will come back to us with a good reason.

I ll probably add a 2nd and last postpone of 3 or 4 hours.

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I dont want to be rude, but do you really want another postpone?
Thats what the 24 hour limit is for. To be a limit.

It would be a totally different thing of course if someone asked for a delay in advance...

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

kk maybe u r right. But it s quite crippling to miss a turn so early =/

If it s a technical issue it s quite unfair.

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

This early in the game I would rather wait for a response from the player. kinda sucks to lose one so quickly.

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

where and how can i do that?

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

ok think i found the problem ... could anybody write me a PM just to test it pls

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

i have sent u a msg herbiedu and it seems to work.

Concerning Ryleh, our missing player, i think there is a misuderstanding cause he has, this afternoon, strategic discution about this game with an other member.

I have sent him a msg, but unfortunately after he disconnected, so i ll add a couple more hours to the timer hoping we can solve this strange thing in a good way.

EDIT: I ve postponed 2*2h by mistake. i ll probably force the hosting 2 hrs ealier tjan the deadline

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

ok so DarkAvenger211 came, did his 2 turns, and left without giving any answer to our questions about is stalling at turn 3 (even those trough PM).

I think this behavior is unacceptable and unreliable for a long term game.
I can easily understand we can need a delay even for few days, but the minimum is to ask for it before and if u didn t get the time to do so at least tell us why u were late.

Therefore i ll try to find a sub and if none shows up i propose to start again the game with a smaller map and 10 players.
The game will be on hold until we have found a sub.

I don't like to make such proposition but in this case, and so early in the game, it sounds deserved to me.

What do you think about it ?

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

didn't he just play turn 3?

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

I would suggest cutting him a little slack.

The player did his second turn right away after submitting the older one, and we all have life to live too... for example I got a day job, a business of my own and a family so interrupting things might just happen to me as well as to any1 of us.

If he didnt ask for delay, it shows he was ok with the idle and for the future reference we should keep up with the schedule unless some1 asks postponing in forehand.

I already know I need to do it in August anyway.

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

Well he played his turn 3 because i was vigilant and postponed the hosting.

The problem isn t the need of a delay as i mentioned above nor even to stall but the lack of communication.

He hasn t answered PM or msg on this forum referring to this early stall. As i said earlier the problem isn't the delay or the stall but his behavior.

To me, such behavior will lead later or sooner to make troubles in the game. So i think it s better to take care of it turn 4 instead of turn 50.

Btw i m maybe too stern that s why i was asking your opinion.
If nobody agree with me i ll put back the hosting to tomorrow evening and at 24h.

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

I say dont restart ... just keep the game like this. If one does not ask for more time turns are just done normally after 24 hours. if you miss a turn, its your own fault and disadvantage.

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

Yes, and thats why I gave mine.

I also want to point out that he played turn 4 right away after host went off. And coming back to the behavior, well thats a personal preference... some people act different than others.

Of course your vigilantism is appreciated, but I would say let it slide for now.

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

I gave my turn..

I noticed an email saying that hosting was in 6 hours but I thought I had already uploaded. So I just uploaded (And in good time too, I almost missed it)

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

Ok i will let it slide ... (at least i ve learned a new expression^^)

But a stall turn 3 without any comments while i asked for hardly motivated noobs is quite boring ...

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

current turn is due Saturday?

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

Ah the wonders of timezones. Just got up will do my turn in a bit!!

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

turn is back to normal.. and im submitted both my turns!

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

There r some problems with llamaserver, no?

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

where is the turnfile? why was the turn not done tonight?

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

You can see on our game that the last updated time and current time are way off. Means something is wrong with server as usually it's only up to 5 min out!

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

jepp i noticed that :-(

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

I uploaded my turn hours ago, but llamaserver isn't updating. :(

If I ever do stall a turn, just put it down as job stress. I work rotating 12 hour shifts and am often totally zonked out when I get home. I try to do my turns as soon as I get home, but I may eventually miss one.

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

And the Server is on hold again! :-(

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

Any1 know whats up with the llamaserver nowadays?

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

Llamabest has some issue with his ISP i heard.
Things are back to normal actually.

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

Why is the turnfile not beeing send?!

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

Indeed.
I ll force hosting, hopping it will solve this issue.
Otherwise i ll PM the llama.

Edit: Forced hosting doesn t seem to work. I PM llama.

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

shows all received atm

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

Llama server is borked again. All of my games show all turns received... yet I have none and nothing has been sent out.

Borked. Again.

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

Yeah it's weird. I can request a resend and that works for the old turn. Doesn't seem to have progressed.

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Fick die Henne ... thats really going on my nervs!

Question to all the Vet-Players ... is this a new problem that the server is going down like twice a week or has it been like that for a long time allready?
I only played a few MP-Game on this server so far and they were without any problems.

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

Nope, the server has had some problems lately. ISP's not doing their ****ing jobs.

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

And the Server is down again :-(
Really no fun at the moment!

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

I'm sorry to say, but I won't be able to send my turns for 3-4 days, but I'll try to squeeze another turn tomorrow. If you will be waiting only for me, then force hosting - one/two stales are acceptable in my position. Sorry again.

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

Ok thanks for having kept us informed.
Can you give me your dates when you leave and come back ?
I will try to limit the stalling without hampering the game for others.

Cheers

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

Squeezed another turn in. I'll leave right now and come back on 25 or 26 July.

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

Abysia : Herbiedu does not honor NAPs.

Here is the basic situation.

Utgard comes into contact with Abysia. In order to secure one of my borders, I enter into a long-term NAP with Abysia.

Utgard later comes into contact with C'tis. I offer a NAP3 to C'tis which is refused.

Since I dislike sharing a border with a nation that refuses to sign a NAP, Utgard builds up it's army and moves to attack C'tis. It is only then that I am informed (by C'tis) that Abysia/C'tis have a defense pact.

When asked Abysia tells me that he will ignore the terms of our NAP to honor his defense pact with C'tis which was made first.

I submit that Abysia negotiated our NAP in bad faith. If Abysia had a previous agreement that could override our NAP, Utgard should have been informed at the time the NAP was made instead of waiting until we tripped over it like a landmine.

Utgard asks that all men of honor consider any agreement made with Abysia to be null-and-void and requests assistance in the destruction of the Abysia/C'tis alliance.

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

This is stupid! I did not even cancel the NAP so far that is between Utgard and Abysia. So at this time the NAP is still there. Here is the massage that i wrote to Utgard:

Utgard wrote me:
"Since C'tis refused to sign a NAP with Utgard I am moving to secure my borders. C'tis claims you will weigh in on his side of the conflict due to a defense pact between the two of you.

Are you going to honor your NAP with Utgard?"

My answer was:

"You have been informed by the Nation of C'tis that there is a defence pact between C'tis and Abysia. This pact was signed long before the NAP between us. And you attacked C'tis knowingly after this information was given to you.
I advice you to give all provinces back that you took from C'tis and stop the agression immediatly.
Otherwise the Nation of Abysia will stand side by side with the Nation of C'tis against you and fullfill thier promizes given to them in the defence pact.

Abysia only has a defence pact with C'tis, so we will not end up the NAP between us when you are attacked by C'tis. But since you are the agressor against C'tis our NAP is in real danger."




In my eyes Utgard is the true agressor here. He attacked C'tis without warning. Only thing i did was to inform him again that there es a Defence Pact between C'tis and Abysia and that i will fullfill this pact if he further intends to attack and does not fall back to the borders that he had before. If he would have been attacked from C'tis there would have been no reaction at all from my side.

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

BTW i did not even get a PM as a reaction on my PM. Utgard is going right to the world news.

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

Informing me that you are not going to honor the terms of our NAP is the same as cancelling it.

The whole point of a NAP-X is to insure the attacked nation gets at least X turns warning before combat starts. C'tis refused to sign a NAP-3 with Utgard. When a larger nation on my border reserves the right to attack me without warning, I consider that to be an aggressive act and since C'tis and Utgard had no NAP treaty, I had no obligation to warn him before attacking.

When we made the non-aggression pact, you agreed not to attack Utgard and in exchange I agreed not to attack Abysia. Utgard has kept it's side of the bargain. Peace with C'tis was not part of the NAP. You can not unilaterally add obligations on my part.

You neglected to include the last part of the PM where I said...

I was willing to assume an innocent mistake when you made mutually exclusive treaties and suggested you get advice from neutral parties, instead you simply discarded the NAP with Utgard in favor of your defense pact with C'tis.

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

Utgard and Abysia made their NAP on turn 6 (PM dated 7-14-11) and you had a defense pact with C'tis long before that? I know all diplomacy is allowed, but I believe that starting as a team when everyone else is solo would at least violate the spirit of the game.

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

should the host be delayed, a player said he/she wont be back before the weekend is over?

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

Just to inform everybody again ... the NAP between Utgard and Abysia is still running jet. I did not break the NAP in any means, did not attack or what so ever. I just told the Nation of Utgard to cancel his war, wich he started, with the Nation of C'tis, and fall back to the old borders, or else the Pact of defence between Abysia and C'tis will have to be fullfilled.
This was a simple warning, which can still be followed by simple means. And to ad something more, this was the 2nd warning, since the nation of C'tis told Utgard about the Pact of Defence BEFORE Utgard attacked C'tis. If he would not have attacked to "secure" his borders, nice american tactik, we all know that, the problem that we are facing now would never have come up.

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

You massed troops at my border and told me you might attack before the terms of our NAP expire. That means I have to position troops to defend against a possible attack by you instead of sending them to fight C'tis. You have already hampered my war efforts.

You entered into an extremely long term Non-Aggression Pact with Utgard without bothering to inform us about your Defensive Pact with C'tis. The conflict between the two Pacts was easily foreseeable. The NAP between us was therefore made in bad faith.

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

Oh yes you got the right to defend your borders versus other nations that you dont have a nap with and i dont?!
The troops you are talking about are in a province that has borders with 2 different players, one of them You. And they have been there ever since we met in the game and you never argued about them the hole time the Nap between us was active. You even made the Nap with me while they were in that province!
So stop telling silly things like i hampered your war efforts to all the other players here in the forum.
And just to inform everybody else, Utgard is still attacking C'tis, even after he got warned in PM by me and C'tis and in all the massages you all read in this forum, and in ingame massages aswell. He had 3 turns in the game to overthink his decision from the moment on he started to mass troops on the C'tis border. He attacked 2 turns in a row without beeing attackt. And he refuses to answer PM and ingame massages aswell.
That kind of behavior makes it impossible for me to keep up the Nap with the nation of Utgard.
Abysia is a nation of honor an will stand side by side with C'tis to defend the attackers from Utgard.
The Nap is hereby cancelled after 3 turns of warning due to the voilating acts of Utgard. There will be no further warning before hostile action is taken ingame.

I hope all the other players i am in contact with ingame and in this forum still see the nation of Abysia as an trustworthy competetor in this game. Abysia is garanteeing all of you that all agreements taken so far in the game will be fullfilled by them at any means. Any hostilities that will take place in the future will be announced in PM's and all conditions of contracts taken with you will be fullfilled to the fullest.

Please contact me via PM if you feel like commenting on anything or have something to talk about with me.

Herbiedu, leader of Abysia

Re: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)
 

Well, Utgard had been warned not to attack C'tis before Utgard attacked. The warning implied, that a counter attack by Abysia would follow.
So as I see it, all consequences following Utgards aggression had been clearly communicated.

On another note, this is war. So stop whining.