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Yea, lets hear it. I could use a break too...

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Machaka, need extension?

So whats the proper timewindow for our winter break?

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24th-2nd

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Can we change the hosting interval now? You can leave quickhost on just in case.

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Yes, in a few games i admin i´ve changed the hosting interval to 240h and leave the quickhost on.

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Yea, I'll do.

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Can we resume this game ?

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Hi all, i was off the internet for a long time, i´ll try to send my turn later today or tomorrow.

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The game is back on the track again. Hope every1 got nice and relaxing holiday season?

The first 2012 interval is 72H, then down to 48H, unless other inquiries come up.

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Morla, RonD, momfreek can we get your turns plz ?

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Well, it seems many players have lost interest in this game, we have played only a turn in a month ... and the admin doing nothing.

So if the game isn't back on track by the end of the next week i will withdraw from it.

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Hope no1 leaves yet... Host get the schedule back on track. And maybe we get this going once again... I certainly would like to continue playing this. Also, force Vanheim on auto or ****... hes been away for ages already....

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I too am enjoying this. Playing against Mockingbird as MA pythium in another game gave me lots of ideas for how to play this pythium.

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Hi guys, I've subbed in as Vanheim and set him to AI (turn has been submitted).

Hopefully this will help you get back on track with the game!

Edit: It looks like you only need Shinuyama (or a force-host) and then the turn can process.

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I apologize - I did not realize that I was holding up the game. Between being a victim of a monumentally crappy start position and the long holiday pause, I pretty much forgot about this one and haven't been reading the thread. Thank you Bullock, for finally sending a pm.

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I would like to take the hand over the admin stuff of this game if no one has objection. Otherwise the game is going to die by itself.

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well no objection it seems.
Therefore i will ask Llama if i can get the admin rights of this game. Otherwise i guess this game is dead without an admin.

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The might Llama gave me admin rights !
Therefore i will put the game back to 48h and try to find a sub for Ulm.

I won't blame the minor nations to go AI as (Shinu did..) if they want to considering how chaotic this game was.

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OH, thank you for solving this caos.

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Nuthing? NUTHING? I did get JJ to turn VA AI.

Unfortunately the turn interval mechanics were a little bit abstract first and it appeared later on that once set longer, one cant reduce the current turn's interval. This caused two turns after holiday season to have unacceptable long intervals.

...if llama granted you admins, and your happy with it, hold on it. You seemingly have much more time in your hands and thats better for the game.

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I think you can put a negative value in to take time off the hosting interval? For example, put in "-4" to bring it forward 4 hours. But I can't remember if I have actually tried this, sorry :-(

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jimbo is right- i've done that.

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Like said, the interval mechanices were unfamiliar. Changing it didnt help for the current turn.

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Due to lack of time Marignon has to be subbed.
So the game is on hold 'til a sub is found.

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I cancelled my mind. I just want the turn interval raised a bit. I keep on playing.

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*volunteers*

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Turn interval should go significantly up, say, up to 72 at least. Maybe even up to 84.

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If i raise the timer to 60h can you play until the end?

Otherwise if you are only planning the short term goal we discussed before leaving i prefer Ossa take the hand now on Marignon.

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60 is by far too low at this point of the game for large nations played by adult men with families and weekly schedules.

You didnt only take over the game where you didnt have admin role what so ever from the beginning, but now you try to manipulate who can play and who cant based on their free time.

This is not how the game should run, and I remember we having the same problem earlier in a different game where you had tendency to force host the turns (discussion of the problem starting from the page linked here): http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showt...=47680&page=10

The game schedule shouldnt follow THE FASTEST LEADING PLAYER, it should follow the reasonably slowest leading player which, it seems, would be in this case Timpaman (as no other big nations brought up the schedule problem), and the logical raise in the interval would be 24H at least, maybe not more thought.

If you have problem with serving the needs of the slowest players, maybe you should just stick hosting the games you start and hand over the admind back to me. Not saying you were not doing great job so far, and every1, especially me is greatful you took the initiative and solved the delay lock when I was busy with my IRL, but I need to underline here that this isnt a rush game as a whole - not anymore when its getting late and the stroms are gathering.


...just to make sure, we should let Timpaman decide what kind of interval he needs, if its only reasonable. So I am not saying we should get 72 just for the sake of it, but based on experience I would say raising the interval only little, like 12H, might very well significantly increase the need for extensions, which is less tempting than having a fixed schedule.

I also want to point out that in any case 60H interval for a long game on a relatively large map is just not enough to finish the whole game with. We should raise the interval in any case beoynd 60H at some point so why not serve the needs of the busiest players right away.

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I have a strong and very unfortunate feeling, that Bullock is trying to take Marignon out of my hand with force. He hasnt been answering my private messages att all, and only promises me "a chance to continue" in this thread if i submit to his hosting schedule...
Propably the other player (Ossa) would already be playing Marignon, if i had just PM messaged him (Bullock). Thats why i had to write to this thread too, that i want to continue afterall. It is by no right, that host can take a players game from his hand and start selling to it another.

What Anaconda said, is true. Better to raise the interval to 72h, so we dont have the problem within our hand again in some 10-15 turns. It starts to be late game allready afterall, and it takes time to play the turns.

Well anyway, my cap things up:

1. I was about to quit the game in around 10 turns or so, cos im having hard time meeting the 48h interval (small kid, work etc...)
2. Bullock started immediately looking a sub for me.
3. I cancelled my mind, saying i will play, but want a longer interval, which is reasonable at this stage of the game. I PMed this to Bullock twice, without answer.
4. He was about to take Marignon out of my hands, so I had to write publicly to this thread too, so he couldnt do that.
5. Bullock hasnt even yet replied to my PMs, and I hope he doesnt rob my nation.

TimpaMan

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wow lol.
So much drama.

I proposed 60h because it is what timpaman asked me by PM.
But i'm wondering, Anaconda, how you dare trying to teach me anything about what kind of behavior should have an admin.
Especially after letting the game crumble for more than a month or being too lazy to set a player AI.

Now Timpaman, I haven't answered your PM by an other PM because i've made our discussion public.


So i was waiting for you answer. i wouldn't "rob" your nation.
Big word for nothing.

i won't even try to defend myself on the other narrow subjects, such has bringing the link of an old thread where nobody can fairly judge what happened by only reading the forum.

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No Bullock, of that time we had over 2 weeks of Christmas break - after request of a player. And its good you took the host over when I was busy else where.

I am not indicating your trying to kick the player out here, maybe Timpaman misunderstood it, or you did, but...

...your hastiness is widely known, and the posted link is a hallmark of that characteristic; you force hosted the game multiple times until you were told by all other remaining players thats not how host should act.

I am underscoring here that a host is a servant, not a ruler. Players dont play for his amusement, but host serves for theirs. I failed that after the Christmas break, and I would hate to see this game ruined because you would too.

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Ok. Maybe i misunderstood. But from all the things, and from your hastiness, I really got the feeling that you will give Marignon to some1 else, without discussing about it anymore with me.

Well, thing is settled then, lets continue the game. Just increase the interval. I suggest 72h, so we dont have to do it again in the coming weeks or months.

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Yeah i barely agree with this statement.
I'm not considering the admin has a servant but as a player with the same rights, acting to the best so the game keep running well and so people can enjoy it.

That's why i'm proposing to Marignon to increase the timer,
or trying to find some quick solution when the 1rt power of the game tells me that he is about to leave the game.

Again i'm wondering how you dare giving your opinion on this subject after dropping the game for a month (without any explanation or apologies) and haven't done anything of what you were supposed to do when you where the admin. Even as a player you are lacking of commitment.

And now i will stoop to your level and will bring, as you did, a link of something who have nothing to do with our discussion :
http://www.llamaserver.net/doAdminAc...ion=showstales
16 stales in 62 turns ??
Yeah you surely know how to contribute to the amusement of others. You are a weight in all the game i saw you in.

Now i can't let you coming here teaching me lessons ... i'm simply done with you ... you are pissing me for months.

Since i don't want to be described as a fascist admin by kicking you (especially after the "robbing nation" thing earlier) i will withdraw from the game and will let you take back the admin stuff (password by PM soon) I'll try to convince Ossa to take my position ... it should be ok.

I sincerely wish much fun to the remaining players with their new admin.

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Yes I knew, you dont need to say it. That is exactly why I am addressing the issue.

With fast late game intervals the game keeps running, yes, but not well if the player base is struggling to meet the intervals and, like in my case, and in Timpaman's, maybe even failing the interval. Thats not the definitoin for "well running" game.

My so called "lack of commitment" is due to the IRL reasons but luckily it wont matter when the interval has been so low: 48H at turn 60 (which already it self points to the matter at hand). I havent asked for the extensions or longer interval to let you play and because I have been practically done since the turn, say 10 or anyways less than 15. So, you could have got your fast speedy game there. But how come it buggers you if the turn interval ACTUALLY IS 48, and I cant make it, and yet I havent delayed the game with asking constantly prolongations (so you could play)?

It shouldnt be your concern at all. More to that, this is irrelevant, oh wait, as it at least partly points to your hastiness, maybe its good your brought it up.

Maybe you lack the reading comprehension, but I doubt it because your English is well lined so it has to be something else.

Yes, I wonder how come you take this so personally, when I have only pointed to the apparent facts? But so be it, pissing you has been my pleasure, dear Sir.

But you really considered it, right? Otherwise you wouldnt have written it at all, right? However I encourage you to do that no the less because that is how the admin works(right?)!

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Okay, lets just play a game. This stuff happens. Feelings get hurt or whatever but we don't need to get too worried about the small stuff in life. This is a game- lets treat it as one.


Bullock- i would request that you take up your nation and just play without regard to this affair. Whether you like a player or not doesn't matter- maybe you can just rip him to shreds on the battlefield and feel better? You are a fun player to play with in everyone one of my games and i would miss you if you left in this one.

As for Anaconda, i'm sure you can just move on and play the game right? Any frustrations should be chanelled into using your nation to rip his apart. I am looking forward to a rematch between our nations after our previous clash in Morla's game.


There are no hurt feelings in DOMINIONS. There are no tears in DOMINIONS. There is only the clash of steel on steel and the thunder of great magicks.

Okay... so moving on everyone? ready, set, lets play dominions!

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Sure, I am not telling any1 who should play and who shouldnt.

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Since you are using bad faith at high level (are you a politician ?) i will give a last answer to your spurious allegation. After that i will let you have the last word.
You deserve it.

Ill faith one: you stale, it's my bad.

Yes it's irrelevant, i bring it here because it was as irrelevant as was your link. I was hoping you could understand that by yourself... nevermind !

But again it's a nice picture of your bad faith... you were staling because you were worried about my comfort. This one is maybe too big though.

No it's not a lack of reading comprehension, you are just disappearing and coming back depending on your mood and you know it.

I didn't take it personally, you can imagine i really don't care what you can think about me. It's just the way you are describing thing to fit your point and convince others which is pissing me. Your "apparent facts" (you picked the right words) such as the way you justify your absences or the reason why you were stalling in the other game (this one make me laugh though, so it's not so bad).

But the best one i guess is:
I can totally understand Timpa's lack of time to manage a big nation as marignon is. That's why i proposed him to turn to 60h
the timer. If i picked the number 60 it's because it's what he asked me by PM. i was fine to put more if he asked more, as one of the top leading nation it's totally fair to have a more important weight in such decision.

But you ?? your nation is barely the same at it was turn 10 ! even in research ! your nation is a 5 min turn nation at this point. Especially with no war running.

Same thing for the other game ! you had 4 lands left ! i saw your troops because i just killed them while you were staling! You had something like 300 troops and 10 mages.
Actually we have 48h to play a turn on this game.
You have stalled 3 times on the 4 last turns. Which means you need 8 days to move 10 mages?

Yeah indeed i think you will have to increase the timer of "cursed be iron" . Because in this game he has prolly 10 lands and 20 mages !

You play when you want to play, could be 4 times a week or ... once a month. This is kinda selfish ...
So when you come teach me good manners and how to do the admin stuff after that ...

So here is a nice example of your bad faith which is pissing me.
Especially when you are turning things so i become the bad guy who is abusing of his admin's role.

Also this kind of comment is pathetic. That's what make thought to politics at the beginning of the thread.

But indeed, kicking a troublesome player might be a part of an admin's role.
For instance If a player shows once every 5 turns it's better to replace him i guess...
But it seems i'm not shaped for this role so you can't blame me for that.

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Sooo pathetic ... haha

The small sentence showing the big you lol

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Last words then: "Well, not far from what I expected."

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Now that I actually paid attention what you said, these four things need commenting:

Every1 can read I am not saying my stall is your bad. You might wanna read from my lips what I am saying: Its not a big deal in fast paced game, and you still take it personally. However, force hosting in a game for your own amusement IS your bad, and it is related to the matter in hand because it HAS HIGH correlation with your obsessive idea that shorter interval is a necessity for a well running game (and active players shouldnt stall, which aint, again, really your problem).

No, I dont know it. How come you, then, can be so sure for it? You know my situation? You confuse two things here. Having time and being able. I am not a mood swinger, and actually never thought you could be - but now that you brought it up... well let us say it came to my mind...

Theres not a lot one can do. Bad situation for a sub, bad situation to turn AI - which over all is a horrib decision - stalling every now and then; those were the options. Stalling every now and then, no harm done - except on your ideal of high speed turns.

But I didnt call you selfish, word "shortsighted" came to my mind. I didnt, because I dont think your mean nor stupid, just young. time will fix that. In time. However, you can ask what the player in the linked game was thinking about your force hosting when he was singled out. If I recall right, it was something like "IF THIS IS HOW YOU RUN YOUR GAMES I AM DONE" ...because, you know, he had only few lands left and all! As an admin, it was your duty to force it. Right?

Its all still there, you should go and look it up your self too, if you had forgot about it. And I also recall you strongly disagreeing with me and Samhain at the time, when we pointed out that its improper action.

This is the reason why I wasnt happy in the first place you took admin over. It was good work, though, got the game moving again.

Thats is so radiant clear that hurts my eyes. But, how you seem to take this all so personally then, like this "dont give me lessons" and all that shaische?

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Turnaround time for this game does not matter to me as I am down to one province and just trying to punish those who have dog-piled.

I don't want to prolong the argument here, but I will make one comment. I like a fast paced game, but I do believe that Bullock needs to calm down a little in the way that he admins games. I subbed in one of his other games and played for about 30 turns. I was being slowly eaten by one of the leaders and Bullock and I were having a fairly even war. Over the 30 or so turns I staled 3 times. Then, without a PM, I received notification from the Llamaserver that I was no longer running the position. There was no attempt to contact me prior to taking the position away. I checked the forum and there was a comment from a player that I had staled, nothing else.

Anyway, lets get back to Dominions.

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As you said you were eaten by major powers while being a small nation, you were a sub and stalling for a week. These are 3 good reasons for many people to give up.
After a week without any news from you and in this situation i definitely think it's a good moment to start looking for a sub.

Now concerning the missing PM. If you didn't have the time nor the possibility to connec to the shrapnel's forum to keep us posted on you current situation i don't see why you would have more time to connec to the shrapnel's forum and read your PM.
And a PM for what? To ask you what is going on ? By disappearing for a week you can expect that the admin is waiting news from you.

So there is no need to ask me to calm down, i m admining my games peacefully as I am now. And with this current state of mind, i would take the same decision has i have taken in the example above considering the situation.

Btw thanks for feeding the subject it has been very useful.

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It wasn't a week, but I agree that when a player has staled twice it is a good time to send him a PM and ask if there is a problem, and then start looking for a sub. You didn't attempt to contact me and you didn't start looking for a sub, you simply took the position away from me. From the forum posts this appears to have been done unilaterally without input from anyone else in the game.

The point is that I don't have to connect to Shrapnel's forum to see that I have a PM, it shows up in my email. I check my email several times a day, while I check the forum once or twice a week, so PMs are a much more efficient form of communication.

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Has i said the decision sounds obvious to me: You remain away and silent for a week or almost, considering your situation i'm starting to look for a sub. No need to mention that looking for a sub take days which is extra time time to tell us if you are still alive or not.


1) why i'm supposed to know that you receive a mail when you get a PM ? There is the same option for new posts in the forum.

2) Before thinking on "was it useful or not for the admin to contact you?" shouldn't we start thinking by "who is supposed to contact who ?" ?

Why haven't you taken 2min to post something here or send a PM (whatever) to ask for a postpone ?

If you do agree with me that the first person who should contact the other one is the staler then do you have a good reason?

If so or if you don't agree with the previous statement (you should PM first) then next question:

What the purpose for the admin to send a PM in such situation?

You are too busy IRL to take 2min to post here ?
i don't see why you would have 2 min to reply to my PM then.

You have lost internet access ?
I don't see how my PM would help. (or the mail resulting of it)

You just forgot about the game and it's the duty of the admin to remind you to play ? (which i doubt)
With a 48h/turn with 12h reminder you receive a mail everyday from the llama server.

I'm certainly missing a fourth case, which is certainly yours.
In that case i'm waiting to hear from you and preparing, in advance, apologies.

Otherwise there is no need to answer.
Lets close this.

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Short recap: You and I are at war, it is an even fight, I miss two turns and you set me AI, I think this is inappropriate and you think this is being a good admin.

I'm done.

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You are insinuating that i wanted to find a sub (no turning you AI...) because we were at war ???? are you kidding? i'm dead anyway !! It hasn't even cross my mind a sec...
i had 10 lands left and the 2 majors power who are allied on my back...

I'm amazed by this new argument... while you can't even defend the previous ones.

So has i did for Anaconda, i will let you have the last word because it's totally useless to talk with people like you.

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double...

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Maybe the same reason I DID stale on your game, NOT BEING ABLE TO??? With the time sending an email one could easily do the the necessary moves to submit a turn. For example, you dont necessaraliy have DOM3 on comp you surf the net... You might not even have the net at all, depending what you do.

The problem is we are not necessarily ABLE to do that... for example mortgage dafaults, sick children, family emergencies, you name it!

We, me and Hylobius have nothing in common, even while we played the same game I didnt pay any attention on him, except we both ADMIT our defaults and we both have same experience of Bullocks adminship... how come?

I could post more than one link about him looking for subs or hopping on people stalling when they cant play for a circumstansial reason or another... the difference is that while we, Hylobius and I, realize we did fail our part he doesnt find any fault on his behaviour. just typical immature behaviour.

Bullock, not every one here is a priviledged high class high schooler, some of us are just typical fimaly guys with people and oblications to take care off, we couldnt care less of your excitement of getting several turns to play a week.

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Just one big centense, showing small you. Wouldnt wonder if your parents hate you.