Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

Sure, provided I remember to slow the hosting in a while.

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

I would require a minor extension, 6 hours back. Just got home from playing PaintBall and wont be home tomorrow in time for the turn (12 AM now).
sorry again.

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

I postponed it just in case, although the regular hosting won't be tomorrow in any case, I believe. At the moment it says friday for me.

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

From Pythium to Everyone

I've already sent a message to all of you concerning this matter in-game but I thought I should post it here too. Pythium is breaking the NAP(3) between Pythium and Mictlan. After three turns starting from next turn (which is turn 23) Pythium's forces will be able to attack Mictlan without loss of honor. I hope this is correct.

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

@Lumix19:
How is that without loss of honor? A three on one is completely without honor. And honestly not fun.

Let me address this issue plainly and speak openly,

When you engage in a three on one,

1. you are robbing yourselves of much of the fun of the game. This is suppose to be a game of skill (amongst other things) and there is little skill involved in attacking a nation's rear while it is engaged elsewhere. You are likely to face mostly province defense and not the mind of the player controlling the target nation. If you want to fight PD then you should play a single-player offline game.
   
   You rob yourself of much of the enjoyment.
   
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2. secondly, the player playing the targeted empire faces an impossible struggle. At this stage in the game i (the target empire) am still viable though obviously not in any position to compete for leadership since i am already engaged in a two-on-one). I cannot hope to successfully fight a three on one. No matter how well I play I cannot hope to be victorious. It simply isn’t fun for me to play in a game where my skill and decisions will have no outcome on the result.
   
   You rob the target of much of the enjoyment of the game.

I hope I don’t sound whiney- I don’t mean to. I just mean to outline my thoughts on this sort of play-style.

And for those of you who say its what I had it coming to me for not performing diplomacy better, you are right also and I won’t argue against that but at the same time, consider that Pythium is breaking a NAP to engage in this pile-up.

For Pythium and Midgard’s neighbors, consider that they are engaged in war with Mictlan currently and will make very quick gains because I cannot defend against them while also maintaining pressure on Patala. They will be strengthened disproportionally and will gain a dominant position in this game very quickly if you do not act to strike at their borders now. Join with Mictlan in turning these nations and showing them that they are not the only ones who can force an opponent to fight a multi-front war.

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

There's nothing inherently wrong with participating in a 3 v. 1. I seem to recall once being attacked by Atlantis, Marignon and Tien Chi while playing Patala in one game...

The main disadvantage, of course, is that a late-comer nation will usually receive the least amount of the spoils, and is the most likely to lose his gains to the other two once the war is over. In the situation I recall, Tien Chi and Atlantis then ganged up on Marignon, depriving him of his share of Patala. So it was probably a mistake for Marignon to join in the coalition, but he wouldn't have known that betrayal was coming going into the war (especially because the logical move would have been for Tien Chi and Marignon to gang up on Atlantis, who was by far and away the strongest power in that game).

The general rule of thumb is that you don't want to help strengthen someone who's stronger than you. Without knowing the details in this situation, I can't tell if anyone is making that cardinal mistake, but keep in mind that it is often better to let your strongest neighbor get bogged down in a long war than it is to help him to an easy victory.

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

Logical decision for Pythium would be to attack Midgard with their shifter armies in the field...

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

Oh well... issue is sort of mute anyway- i misclicked my jaguar warriors stack and sent them in unblessed and without mage support.

But you are right Dojango. And if someone is going down fast then its best to get a piece of the pie before they are gone anyway.

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

Participating in this war, I admit, is not what I would prefer to do but I don't want Midgard taking all you're territories and then becoming too powerful to stop, I felt it was in my best interests to give you notice of the dissolution of the NAP and then snag some territory with you distracted. Absolutely no honor in that decision, I know and I'm sorry, but this is a good way to expand.

By the way, I would have attacked Midgard but I don't border him and I didn't want to incite a war with Bogarus or Ulm

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

I would guess Midgard has it's own neighbors that may attack it while his armies are on the field.

As for Pythium, I think I(Bogarus) don't have a NAP with him, so it would be most unwise for him to move against Mictlan, since I don't have to give any warning to attack.
On the other hand, for a total sum of 1500 gold, I'm willing to sign a NAP with Pythium right away.

It's obviously to the interest of most of us players that Mictlan won't fall yet, since it'll shift the balance of power quite a bit.

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

How delightfully mercenary of Bogarus to offer its guarantee to...maybe not attack Pythium. For the low, low price of 1500 gold. What with diplomacy not being binding and all. I would expect that if Pythium turns its back to Bogarus that it will find a dagger between its proverbial ribs.

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

Pythium thanks you for the offer but I find your sum of 1500 gold to steep for our impoverished nation to afford.

I expect it will but allowing Midgard to take all of Mictlan's territory would be dangerous for me. With Mictlan on the brink anyway it might be better for me to just snag some territory whilst I still can.

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

Well, Bogarus will do as Bogarus sees fit. If indeed someone has any sort of interest in the situation, I am open to secret dealings from anyone. Money, gems, anything can be used to nudge me to a direction of their choice.

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

Mictlan is a scary neighbor.

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

Yes, i saw the battle and was like WTF is he doing. My condolences.

Important Information - Vacation !!
 

Gentlemen,

I´ll be on holidays now.

JimboJones will replace me during my vacation.

Cheers, Klaus

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

Dear Patala

I apologise for my unintentional attack upon your forces, I didn't realise you were moving into that province. :D

From Pythium

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

Bogarus & Pythium & Patala & Midgard,

Any of you feel like signing a ceasefire?

C'tis?
whatcha up to?

Any chance you might want to smack Pythium or Bogarus around a bit while their armies are touring beautiful Mictlan?

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

I wouldn't mind a cease fire or even permanent peace. What do you offer?

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

Out of my lands and into Pythiums? I'm not offering any money or anything, just that i'll stop slaughtering your troops.

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

I suspect I'll gain a lot more by taking your lands. Sorry, no deal.

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

Well, vis-a-vis the four on one that has arisen,

I know that i had said earlier that there was no fun in a three-on-one because the result was a foregone conclusion... but i was wrong. Even with the knowledge that i cannot win this, i am quite enjoying myself.

*tips hat*

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

Ouch :eek: I really shouldn't have done that, don't really like waking up to a mass slaughter of Hydras...

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

I'm still willing to sign cease fires with any of the four aggressor powers.

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

The issue is that you have sirens now which makes me very nervous.

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

Well, they'll be busy with my three other enemies if you sign a cease fire with me.

If you are seriously interested in discussing a potential cease-fire, please lets continue this privately. You can PM me if you like. Or look me up on one of the dominion chat rooms- i'm in and out of those every now and again.

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

I require a 48 hour extension on next turn (turn 31).

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

Seems like you didn't after all?

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

Yes- i am leaving town now. I need an extension on this turn coming up please.

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

It would be cool if you would write how much of an extension you need :D
np with me.

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

Its up there, lol.

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

48h- this turn.

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

Postponed. Turn will process on Sunday at sometime.

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

No offense Mictlan but I found the battle with the Moon Priest and the black hawks hilarious.

The Story of the Moon Priest and the Birds

First chapter, the Moon Priest casts Horror Mark and utters a prayer to his god as he prepares to call a horror, knowing full well it will mean his death but rejoicing in the fact that it will bring down an entire army.

Second chapter, Midgard's birds swoop in and kill him and his slaves.

THE END. :D

P.S In writing it's not so funny :o

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

Yeah.... that was pretty funny. Lots of funny jokes in that turn for me. :doh: Lots of funny jokes coming up next turn too. ;)

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

Mictlan seems to have turned the tide against Midgard, and we find ourselves with a gigantic army of Mictlan's forces on our doorstep. Consequently, however, we are pretty sure that Mictlan's southern and eastern lands are relatively poorly-defended. Do what you will with this information, neighbors of Mictlan.

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

yeah.. because that worked great before...?

EDIT: I am so going to AAR this after its done (well, would if i wasn't so lazy)

EDIT 2: Feel the wrath of my slingers. Slingers AWAAAAAAYYYYY!!!!

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

You really should. I'm not sure whether your ability to push back advances is a consequence of poor decisions on the part of Midgard or your own brilliance, but this has been a hell of a war. I'm impressed by the way things have gone so far.

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

you didn't play poorly i feel...

...for awhile i thought i was done for... like 2-3 turns from dead... when all four of you were gunning for me... i almost went AI.

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

Hm.
Pythiu, we had a NAP 3. What is your reasoning for attacking without canceling it first ?

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

Wait I'm confused, when did we agree to an NAP (3)? :confused:

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

Like 15 turns back when we first meet and i agreed to let you have the provinces in between the mountains from which you are now staging your assault ?

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

The only message I got regarding the provinces between the mountains was this one through private messaging. I thought the message said we would form a border agreement in the future but there was no further communication between us. Regardless I'm withdrawing my forces and if I misinterpreted your message I apologize for this serious breach of the contract that was formed.

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

To Bogarus,

We're breaking our nap now... see you soon on the field of battle... :)

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

Let it be known that Midgard is not going down without a fight.

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

Yo Lumix. The message im refering to send ingame. I appreciate your efforts though. Do you want to break the NAP 3, if you value it, now ?

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

Looking through the archives I see you sent me a message about mutual borders. I'm sorry but I did not realise this meant an NAP and I should have clarified with you. In response to your question I am going to say no. The NAP (3) can stay unbroken. :)

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

Please postpone host 24H.

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

I would need a 24h extension, please.

Re: I Would Be Sovereign - Newbie-intermediate game 8/8 Soon to start
 

I postponed it already once. I assume you don't need a postponement in addition to Anaconda's? :)

turn is due 01:00 on Tuesday GMT. Some 25 hours from now I think. Should I postpone it another 24 so it's Wednesday?