Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

Not for SP games. Battalion sized is what the game is designed for.

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

And it's the only game I've found that allows you to command a fully reinforced battalion.

Some come kind of close BUT have pre-set formations (which are semi-accurate, at best), and are usually RTS (which is not to my taste at all). I play "Wargame Red Dragon" quite a but and have some hopes for "Broken Arrow" when it releases (tho the demo significantly undermined those hopes).

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

Combat mission lets you do that, although it is more of a company size game.

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

15 MR-2 Viktor anti-aircraft guns send to Ukraine
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/15-viktor-...zech-republic/
https://mil.in.ua/wp-content/uploads..._094017767.jpg

Leopard 2A6 from Germany delivered
https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...aine-6207.html

Strykers And Cougars on Ukraine with photos
https://en.defence-ua.com/news/the_f...ideo-6243.html
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/ukraine-re...apon-stations/
Mine clerance modules for styrkers
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/mine-clear...cs-on-the-way/

JADAM bombs acording to this article were alredy used on frontline
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/ukraine-already-uses-jdam/

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

I had put them in for 4/123 and that's the way they will stay. I will add the mine clearing stryker for May for now

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

old KS-19 AA guns refurbished starts to be used against ground tragets by Ukraine

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/the-ukrain...om-ks-19-guns/

RBS-56 ATGMs also on Ukraine
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/ukrainian-...-rbs-56-atgms/

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

I didn't see the need for a new thread for this

https://apnews.com/article/nato-finl...a2d81cd30eabc9

Finland to join NATO Tuesday, military alliance chief says

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

Seems Russia can't stop antagonizing it's neighbors.
Tho the recent improvement in relations with the PRC is "interesting".

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

Last night, there was a major leak of a TOP SECRET classified briefing deck dated around 1 March 2023.

This time, it wasn't WAR THUNDER forums; but someone on 4CHAN who leaked them to prove a point in a 4chan thread.

I won't be posting the images I found; since they're plastered with all sorts of classification marks -- interestingly enough, the Russians have already tried to use this leak to their advantage by photoshopping casualty figures to reverse casualties taken - i.e. the original says Ukraine has suffered 16 to 17.5K dead -- the photoshopped one says UA has like 60K dead.

Anyway, here's the MBT summary of info that might be useful (I'll post more later, I have to go to work)

US PATRIOT Training ends 27 March
Various Stryker BTG collective training ends 19 to 28 March (Different BNs)

A large amount of LEOPARD 2s are assigned to the 33d Brigade:

14 x LEO 2A4 (DEU) - Delivery by April
4 x LEO 2A4 (CAN) - Delivery by April
14 x LEO 2A4 (POL) - Delivery by March

The AMX-10RC are assigned to the 37th BDE, and as of 1 MAR; 9 out of 14 were on hand, with the rest delivered through March.

31 x PT91 Twardy are assigned to the 117 BDE with all scheduled delivered by 3 APR.

40 x MARDER are assigned to the 82ND BDE, estimated to arrive in April.
14 x CHALLENGER are assigned to 82nd BDE, estimated to arrive in April.
90 x STRYKER is assigned to 82nd BDE, est arrival of all 90 was 6 to 10 March to Dobra.

And for Bradley, 99 x M2 were assigned to 47 BDE, arrival somewhere between 6 to 19 MAR to Zamosc. (Training of Bradleys in that Brigade was 15 JAN to 29 MAR scheduled).

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

Any bit of "leaked" data from an internet source should be both considered possibly accurate AND suspect

This for instance

"Delivery" where ? To Ukraine or to units?

There is video online weeks ago showing at least one loaded on an air transport for Ukraine

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/first-...land-1.6261115

That was TWO months ago

I suppose it's possible they have been in Poland and used for Training and they are going to Ukraine this month......... could be ( maybe )


Then there is this

I suppose someone somewhere may have dropped the final "R" from RCR... or France only sent the RC Or they sent both.......

"The truth is out there"........... we just have to wait for it to arrive but in the meantime look for that needle in the haystack only the haystack is a pile of manure


That said, this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeN-xgocI_c

Does appear to show an RCR

as does this

https://defence-blog.com/ukraine-rec...s-from-france/

even though the caption is "The Ukrainian military has received the first AMX-10RC armored reconnaissance vehicles from France."

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

And to make matters worse, then there's this.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe..._promised.html

Upper right is pictured the AMX-10 RCR but it's labeled as an AMX-10 RC. :doh:

The article is discussing it as the AMX-10 RC. :doh:

I've posted articles with pictures showing the AMX-10 RCR (Just a week ago or so I posted one in this category showing Ukrainian Crews training in France on maneuvers.) and I also see more of what this ref did above.

Didn't want to post it but, the "door was opened" it's very frustrating.

CONCUR YOURS ARE THE AMX-10 RCR.

HOWEVER, THE YOU TUBE VIDEO OPENS IN THE CAPTION SAYING IT'S AN AMX-10 RC THAT DESERVES ANOTHER...:doh:

HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE DEALT WITH THIS OVER THE YEARS!?! MORE THEN WE'VE CARED TOO.

I feel bad for the AMX-10 RCR it's going to get an "Inferiority Complex". :D


Regards,
Pat
:capt:

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

Well......... "to be fair"........ the RCR *IS* a sub variant of the RC so *technically" it's an RC.

However that is a mistake of regular media to make not armyrecognition

As I have said before I have both in the UKN OOB but the true "RC" is renationalize so it will not show up in the game BUT...... if the damn thing shows up in Ukraine it's a 2 second fix to activate it

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

and to make thingS so much more fun for what is really a VERY MINOR unit

This is an RCR with the SEPAR modification ( SystèmE de Protection EEI pour AMX 10RCR or IED Protection System for AMX-10RCR ) that replaces the side skirts from the front to the middle of the vehicle by heavy armor plates. This modification is designed for Afghanistan and offers a better protection against EEI ( Improvised Explosive Device). This kit represents the practical limit the suspension can carry. The tank weights now in total 22 t.



https://i.redd.it/p57b6fvqbc451.jpg

and allegedly so is this....... but WITHOUT THE SEPAR EEI

https://www.military-today.com/artillery/amx_10rcr.jpg

and this

https://www.military-today.com/artil...x_10rcr_l1.jpg

but this is touted to be an RC

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...29_%282%29.jpg

as is this

https://militaryleak.com/ezoimgfmt/i.../ngcb1/notWebP

and this
https://www.n-tv.de/mediathek/videos...e23825026.html

https://bilder4.n-tv.de/img/incoming...093679291h.jpg

claims......"AMX-10 RC are "not what Kiev hoped for"


AND WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT UPGRADES MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN APPLIED

The difference in game terms and to a certain extent in RL is the RC is amphibious and could, if need be added to BTR formations and that added fire support could go where he BTR's could go but the RCR WITH THE SEPAR KIT is not so cannot

The vehicle is WAY more useful working with BTR formations for the added fire support it can give

so........... IF WE SEE A PHOTO OF ONE IN UKRAINE and it does not have the SEPAR then it's amphibious ....... (maybe......)

https://www.defense.gouv.fr/terre/no...x-10-rcr-separ

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Kiew-hae...e24040270.html

in part ( translated from German )

"The first casualty when war comes is truth". Hiram W Johnson

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

Then there is this knee slapper in that article

well DUH !

Maybe at the start.... maybe not, for sure a lot of people saw it coming and made contingencies but that is SOP for governments and military but to say that now there are NATO origin weapons and tanks in Ukraine is Ludacris

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

EDIT : READ THE WRONG PICTURE CAPTION :doh: That's because I'm still home :sick: and that's the story I'm sticking to!?! :p :D :angel

I identified your "what is this" AMX-10 RCR. It's a late model conversion known as the AMX-10 RCR SEPAR the following UNDER the Desert Storm section shows it as used in Operations in Mali in 2014.

See it in the last picture on the right Picture Gallery ABOVE the words Picture Gallery.

It's an add on armor kit.

https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldw...-10-rc-rcr.php
(If bored cycle through the pictures in the Variant Section some where used some not.)
https://www.defense.gouv.fr/terre/no...x-10-rcr-separ
(Looks like the kit can be used with either version.)
https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/20...nk-to-ukraine/

I thought it might have been an ERA package at first glance which is why I dug into a little deeper. But it's possible France could've sent some of these packages as well.

Another something to look out for, I guess.

Oh, those articles are starting to "pop up" again about Putin not looking well or similar. I guess the FSB/GRU have nothing better to do.

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

Yeah Pat I know that's why I put the SEPAR info in my post and the link to globaldefensecorp

this whole RC/RCR thing is GETTING OLD

What I have in the game now is what's going out in the next release. It WILL be called "RCR" and it WILL BE amphibious unless we see SEPAR kits on them

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

There's just so much information buried in this slide that if someone was faking it; it's just too much work.

I screwed up this morning; I put the German tanks as Leopard 2A4s, when the slide deck has them as 2A6s. I was trying to type out stuff quickly before going to work on a laptop.

The AMX-10 is only given as "AMX-10" in the slide not RC/RCR or any of that, so you can blame me.

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

From one of the leaked slides:

This slide was dated 28 Feb 2023 at 1800 EST; so everything in here is outdated somewhat.

=========

Brigade Loadouts:

UNK BDE - 90 x BMP, 13 x T-64, 17 x Tanks (UNK), 12 x AS-90 x 10 x 2S1

47 BDE = 99 x M2 Bradleys, 28 x T-55S, 12 x M109, 12 x D-30

33 BDE = 90 x MaxxPro, 14 x Leo 2A6, 18 x Leo 2A4, 12 x M119

21 BDE = 20 x CVR(T), 30 x Senator, 20 x Bulldog, 21 x Husky, 10 x M113, 30 x T-64, 10 x FH70

32 BDE: 90 x MaxxPro, 10 x T-72, 20 x Tanks, 12 x D-30, [illegible]

37 BDE: 30 x Mastiff/Husky, 30 x Mastiff/Wolf, 10 x Senator, 14 x AMX-10, 16 x Tanks, 12 x D-30, [illegible]

118 BDE: 90 x M113, 28 x T-72, 6 x M-109, 8 x FH-70

117 BDE: 28 x Viking, 20 x XA185, 10 x M113, 10 x Senator, 31 x PT-91 Twardy, 12 x D-30

82 BDE: 90 x Stryker, 40 x Marder, 14 x Challenger, 24 x M119

=============

Ongoing Collective Training:

5 x Armor Bns:

Challenger in England
Leopard 2 in Germany
Leopard 2 in Poland
T-72 in Ukraine
T-64 in Ukraine

7 x Mech Bns:

BMP in Poland by Czechs and Polish
M2 Bradley in Germany
M2 Bradley in Germany
M113 in Ukraine
Marder in Germany
Viking in Finland
XA185 in Finland

3 x Motor Bns:

MaxxPro in Ukraine
Stryker in Germany
Stryker in Germany

3 x Field Arty Bns:

M019 in Germany
M109 in Germany
FH70 in Ukraine

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

This is from several of the leaked slides:

========

Bakhmut Axis as of 0600 EST on 1 MAR 2023:

Russian Federation Forces:

35 Total MVR BNs

29,000 Total Russian Personnel
~7,000 Regular/Res, RLF, and TDF
~22,000 PMC Vagner

10 Combat-Effective MVR BNs (regular and reserve)
0 Combat-Ineffective MVR BNs (regular and reserve)
15 Combat-Effective RLF BNs
10 Combat-Ineffective RLF BNs
0 Combat-Effective TDF BNs
0 Combat-Ineffective TDF BNs
12 Wagner PMC DETs

Ukranian Armed Forces:
12 BDEs (61 MVR BNs), 15,250 - 30,500 Total Personnel

==========================================

Kharkiv Axis as of 0600 EST on 1 MAR 2023:

Russian Federation Forces:
160 Total MVR BNs ~48,600 Total Personnel
37 Combat-Effective MVR BNs (regular and reserve)
44 Combat-Ineffective MVR BNs (regular and reserve)
40 Combat-Effective RLF BNs
1 Combat-Ineffective RLF BNs
38 Combat-Effective TDF BNs
4 Combat-Ineffective TDF BNs

Ukranian Armed Forces:
6 BDEs (29 MVR BNs) 7,250 - 14,500 Total Personnel

==========================================

Donetsk Axis as of 0600 EST on 1 MAR 2023:

Russian Federation Forces:
91 Total MVR BNs, ~ 23, 050 Total Personnel
32 Combat-Effective MVR BNs (regular and reserve)
11 Combat-Ineffective MVR BNs (regular and reserve)
33 Combat-Effective RLF BNs
7 Combat-Ineffective RLF BNs
7 Combat-Effective TDF BNs
1 Combat-Ineffective TDF BNs

Ukranian Armed Forces:
8 BDEs (40 MVR BNs), 10,000 - 20,000 Total Personnel

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

From one slide:

As of 0500 EST, 1 MAR 2023:

GMLRS expenditures:

9,612 total rounds expended
28 x Expended in Last 24 Hours
7 Day Burn Rate: 14

155mm expenditures:

952,856 total rounds expended
1,104 x Expended in Last 24 Hours
7 Day Burn Rate: 2,746

==========================

Freeze Favorable to Vehicle Maneuver (~16 Inches) Projections

slide summary:

Kharkiv Line
Mud from Late March to Mid-May
Favorable from Mid-May onwards

Donetsk Line
Mud from Mid-March to Early-May
Favorable from Early-May onwards

South of Donetsk Line
Mud from Mid-March to Early-May
Favorable from Early-May onwards

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

Alright as part of Post Submission "cleanup" some might find this useful as it says it's Tanks 101 off my favorites (Don't even ask about set equip. folders.) files.

Anyway, it's not a bad video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0IbZGfTgUM
https://forum.shrapnelgames.com/edit...tpost&p=854275
(They got a Scottish Koala alright Co-Host)

Just realized I put this in the wrong Thread. :doh:

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnaeIAEp2pU

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

Don,
Well, you got me good there!?! ;)

The real :doh: would've been going to the gun range after only 1.5hrs. of sleep and having worked my normal evening shift the night before.

Going back to work tomorrow but it's my Friday so "8 and out the gate" to continue recouping Sun/Mon.

Shooting Wed. positive thoughts that I don't have a repeat of earlier this week. The "Qual Clock" is running out.

Will still be dealing with this for maybe another 2 weeks even though earlier today I was also told my lungs are clear. Turns out I have L. Armstrong & M. Phelps LUNGS W/O the talent!?!

Bronchitis what a "xitch", almost 5 weeks and counting and yes, the Dr. says this normal.

Great, but my lungs are clear. :re:

I have a video to finish watching! :D

A word about those "leaked documents" making the rounds on the internet concerning the Ukraine, the Pentagon is moving swiftly to bring down those sites. Some were classified Top Secret.

I'm not joking here. Be careful.

Carried on all our National News Channels.

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

Don did you think about adding to Ukraininian or Green OOB famous "Tractor Corps" I know that they were famous during early stage of war especially during Russian retrat from Kiev but meaby are worth to be consider just for fun their tractors don't need any arms just towing power and best agricultural tractor from that area which was in USSR times manufactured and have even new version is Kharkiv Tractor Plant KhTZ Kirovetz

https://www.voanews.com/a/ukraine-ce...-/6678720.html
https://gdb.voanews.com/01460000-0af..._w650_r1_s.jpg

Here modern version build propably before invasion now know XYZ because name Kirovetz is used now only by Russian plant in St. Petersburg
http://xtz.ua/en/tractory/


This is not LEGO set adversiment
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FO73uj9X...jpg&name=small

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

No

You know how the game tows vehicles so aside from brief amusement what's the point?

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P8Lei4E4mo


NO we are not going to add all of these to the OOB........

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

Now what new in arms delivery to Ukraine

Romanian 122-mm MLRS APR-40 https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...aine-6656.html
various british APC's https://en.defence-ua.com/analysis/r...ntry-6636.html
more French armoured vehicles AMX,VAB https://mil.in.ua/en/news/france-to-...-ukraine-soon/
Istead using handmade MRLS they start to using standarised Croatian RAK-SA-12 https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...oups-6688.html
L-159 Light Attack Aircraft is considered https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...aine-6679.html
RM-70 MLRS founded totally by Czech peoples https://mil.in.ua/en/news/czech-volu...s-for-ukraine/

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

Whole article about Dnipro river flotilla https://mil.in.ua/en/news/defense-fo...-dnipro-river/

https://mil.in.ua/wp-content/uploads...4491370577.jpg

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

https://www.battleorder.org/post/rus-loss

Mapping Russia's Most Costly Tank Losses

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

2S22 Bohdana from serial production are spotted on front-line. They have slighty different armored cabin and more automatic fire system than still used prototype

https://v.wpimg.pl/MTMwYzkyYjUsFS9JR...WhJWxp0ZnUUewc

https://twitter.com/Archer83Able

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

https://twitter.com/ColbyBadhwar/sta...61078191763621

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

:D

We were only out by 2 months

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

Sweden just announced a day or so ago that they're giving Ukraine all of their Pansarbandvagn 302 (pbv 302) APCs.

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Fn2wmeoUns

Worth Watching :up:

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

It certainly is.

These coop tanks really do need to have a flock of chickens installed, this one had forgotten that little detail, along with the main gun ammo and the filling for its ERA blocks. Then they could provide some useful service, by providing some eggs for the platoon's breakfast...

It may be a Russian attempt to make a British style Boiling Vessel, ie BV or "bivvie"??

And only a T-62 under that lash-up tin shed, I wonder are the models using the old war memorial T-34s coming in perhaps a month or two once they lever those off thier plinths?

Blyat-mobile is apparently a nickname for these things. Most suitable!:)

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

Oh, and chickens do have thier uses in modern warfare, as already proven by us cunning British!:doh:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Peacock

So perhaps adding a few chooks might provide the Russians with some additional electronic warfare potential, by keeping the jammers power supply hot in winter?

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

Great top views taken by Russian Drones of AFU Abrams with turret ERA and hull ERA (ARAT + Kontakt-1 ERA)

https://x.com/i/bookmarks/all?post_i...96419777307025

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

F-16s are now operational and have flown combat missions in Ukraine as of 31 July 2024.

So call them being available August 2024?

Meanwhile, what appears to be a North Korean Bulsae-4 M-2018 Non-Line-Of-Sight (NLOS) ATGM vehicle has appeared near Kharkiv on an Ukranian UAV's cameras.

https://armyrecognition.com/news/arm...for-first-time

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

I built an icon for it yesterday and added it to the NK and Russian OOB's

That said what this means in RL is the Russians now have a missile that does the same job as a hunter-killer drone only a bit quicker and more efficiently than a drone and likely longer range. The downside is the launch vehicle is a bigger target for a hunter-killer drone than a drone launch site would be.........betting these things will become a priority target PDQ

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

I just read some article from https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...ine-11351.html and NK has also other version of Bulsae-4 M-2022 installed on small truck 6x6 which rather wasn't sent to Russia.
https://en.defence-ua.com/media/cont...9433bef4e1.jpg

And since 2016 also Bulsae-4 mounted on Mi-2 helicopters. That is interesting story about Mi-2 in NK. They were imported from Poland in parts and are know locally as Hyŏksin-2. First appears in 1977 in the DPRK unarmed then were fitted with four 4x 9M14 Malyutka (Bulsae-1) 1980-1984 manufactured. Insted of Malyutka they can carry two 57mm UB-16 rocket pods or 4 Malyutka & and two 57mm pods. And now Malyutka were exchanged to Bulsae-4.
https://forum.warthunder.com/t/hyoksin-2/105004
https://forum-en-cdn.warthunder.com/...544cf808e6.png

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

There is nothing in that article besides a vague reference to "TV-guided missile in development" so until better info is found I am not going to build that into the game. Global security has a similar vague reference..
That could be anything

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

https://x.com/TheDeadDistrict/status...04862048555060

Challenger II moving at speed in Kursk oblast with a folded up cope cage.

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

The overhead cage is really not that folded up but what I found new and interesting is what appears to be a double-layer screen on the back rear hull


https://i.imgur.com/NnLVk2q.png


If you move that video frame by frame it eventually shows it to be a single layer standing what appears to be a couple of feet away from the rear of the vehicle


https://i.imgur.com/53QUOSC.png


REVISED
https://i.imgur.com/icf5vdm.png

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

https://x.com/TheDeadDistrict/status...55596881993831

Marder 1A3 with cope cages

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

Can someone kindly explain what kind of website this is? Where is it based? Who has put this information together? I'm a bit paranoid about clicking on links to websites that I don't know very well. On the other hand, I would like more information on the weapons systems being used in Ukraine.

I'm especially interested in drone technology, but the library has few recent books on drones, and most of the websites I've seen are site I have never heard of.

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

Can someone kindly explain what kind of website this is? Where is it based? Who has put this information together? I'm a bit paranoid about clicking on links to websites that I don't know very well. On the other hand, I would like more information on the weapons systems being used in Ukraine.

I'm especially interested in drone technology, but the library has few recent books on drones, and most of the websites I've seen are sites I have never heard of.

None of my books cover newer weapons systems. I have a Jane's warship recognition guide published in 2006, and an armored vehicles recognition guide published around 2005, etc.

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

It's X ( twitter ) and all it's doing is showing the Marders with the added protection cages. Since it shows a moving vehicle and a crewman I would suggest it came from the Ukrainians in Kursk

That's just my opinion, I didn't post it

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

Ah, I see. I don't use Twitter.

Re: Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys
 

And I apologize for the double post above. I tried to edit my original post, but somehow wound up creating another. Then the site would not let me delete the original post.