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Sweet. Can't wait to get going again.

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hey geo your playing.... whats up with that... Were you in the other game...

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bah...

Me thinks I should read before hand...

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Still waiting on 2 players to join and 7 players to upload empire files. 24 hours to go before I start booting people. Hop to it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Geoschmo

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Players, We are still waiting on Tbontob to apply to join. The week is up, but I am giving him twelve more hours because a non tourney player had applied to join Last night and I did not notice and kick him till just now. Tbontob could have been tying to join after that and been unable to. If he has not applied by this evening I will start that game. THe other game has all it's players and empires so I will get it started this morning.

Geoschmo

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Players, Round 3 game 2 cannot begin as planned. We have problems with three empire files.

Rex - You uploaded an empire file with no password

Verm - You are using the stock Xiati shipset. This was also used by Simplify, and since he marked his as such and you did not, he gets it this time. Please modify your empire file to use another shipsset not already being used by another player. Refer to the game info screen to see who is using what.

Warlord Ragnorok. You have used to many racial points creating your empire file. Please correct this. THe Tourney games are 2000 racial points.

You all have 24 hours to get these issues corrected and upload new empires. I have set all three of you back to empire needed.

Geoschmo

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Dang it, did it again. I uploaded the wrong EMP file. And I just did it before coming to this forum. So it's wrong for the second time in this round. Sorry about that Geo, my bad... I could have sworn I only used 2K points. I feel like such an idiot now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

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So you need me to set up back to empire needed, is that what you are saying?

Could you drop me an email Ragnorok? dayton_dragons@yahoo.com

Geoschmo

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah that is what I am saying. I can't believe I did that though. It's completly my fault, sorry about that.

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Ok, I uploaded the empire. It should be 2000 points. If not I'm going scream.

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Round 3 is underway!

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Players, since the start of the Survivor 2 tournament I have been cocsistant and firm in my reluctance to pause the game for holidays. While this may be an inconvience for you, and taking a break may make perfect sense to you, please consider that this game is global and not everyone here may observe the Christmas holiday. And not everyone that does may need or wish to take a break during it. We simply cannot pause the games everytime anyone needs a few days off or we won't ever get done. I have always said this tournament is as much a marathon as anything else.

I am not going to change my position, however I will bend it a bit. Consider it my Christmas gift to all of you. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

First, starting now and running until Jan 7th, I will change the turns to 72 hour turns. It will still be on automatic processing, but you will have more time to get your turn in.

Secondly, if you need to miss some turns due to family obligations, do not feel pressure to contact me. I will not boot anyone for turns missed during the holiday season. When we get back to Janruary 7th I will start the turn missed counter on everyone at zero. If you have to miss some turns after that though let me know.

Geoschmo

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I know you started this game already, but would it be possible for me to join it anyway?

I really like SE4, and I've been searching for an Online game for quite a while, but I can't find any new ones.

If I can't join anymore, could you give me a link of a game that hasn't started yet?

Thanks

Arcane

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Arcane

*(Pending on Geo's answer I would suggest you go to the PBW site and find a open game. There are alot of newbie games and other games as well.
Here ya go, Link to PBW.

Just go to the open games section - URL for open games- and find one that sounds appealing to you.

By the way: Welcome to the forum. It is a great place to be if you need help or are just looking for friendly conversations. Or if you want cartoon violance - Cantina - or just plain nonsence - thread that never dies and changes names all the time - visit those two forums and you will be messed up for life. (Many of us can attest to that. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

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It was nice to read the wrap up of the earlier rounds. I hope to hear more once the 3rd round is over!

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Sorry Arcane, there is no way to add people to the Survior tourney after the first round begins. As Raganrok suggest there are many open games on PBW. If you like 1 on 1 games there is also the PBW K.O.T.H. League.

Geoschmo

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Geo, any possibility of getting the games back on 36 hour turns? Things seem to be slowing down a bit.

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Yep.

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Round three game one has ended and game two is close by the reports I am receiving.

As soon as it finishes we will go right into round 4.

I will have some news for round 4. Going to do one thing a little different for the next round. But I am going to keep that quiet until round 3 is completely done.

Geoschmo

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Geoschmo, are you going to put up the stats for that game? Inquiring minds want to know.

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Ok, I set it so you should be able to view the stats now.

Geoschmo

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I'm relieved that one is over. Had a bad start and was really worried that I would be eliminated. 11th out of 14, not a good game, but I SURVIVED for the next one.

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Geo, just so you know our game is over I believe. I opened this savegame and the Mklth are destroyed. Many empires were after him and he is no more. When will the next round be starting?

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Round Four games are up. Read the Game description carefully please.
Something a little different this time around.

Geoschmo

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You'd better believe it I got destroyed. Being surrounded by three hostile empires is not a recipe for success in SE4. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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mmmm, yes Geoschmo is three people in one round not a little to much???

sparhawk

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Sparhawk, 3 out of 13 I don't think is bad. I am just a little anxious to get things down to one game is all. After this round only one person per round should be eliminated, instead of the two per round minimum with two games. Also, when you consider it entirely possible that two could be eliminated from each game anyway due to abandonments or whatever, it's really only one extra person in each game.

Geoschmo

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Really? Well I am sorry to see you go. But if you are gonna I guess it's better to do it between rounds. If you change your mind please let me know.

Geoschmo

[ February 20, 2003, 13:15: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

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True Geoschmo, but game 2 now has 12 player: only two people have to leave????

sparhawk

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That is correct. Because Askan has chosen not to continue, that reduces the number of available players and reduces the number needed to eliminate to get to 20 after this round. There are still five more eligible players that have not joined their round 4 game. It's still entirely possible one or mroe of these players will choose not to continue, further reducing the number of players. If more then 2 of the 5 do so I will have to kick one of the players from game 2 and have them join game 1. But I won't know that for a few days.

Geoschmo

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Geo, when will the next round start?
I will be away from Feb 21 to March 2. Should I make arrangements that somebody else runs my first turns?

Rollo

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The games will start as soon as everyone has joined an uploaded their empires, or as late as the evening of February 25th. If anyone has not joined or uploaded their empires by that point they get bumped according to the rules of the tourney.

I'd say chances are very good that the first turn will fall during your absence. You should have someone available unless you trust the AI to handle it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Geoschmo

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That is correct. Because Askan has chosen not to continue, that reduces the number of available players and reduces the number needed to eliminate to get to 20 after this round. There are still five more eligible players that have not joined their round 4 game. It's still entirely possible one or mroe of these players will choose not to continue, further reducing the number of players. If more then 2 of the 5 do so I will have to kick one of the players from game 2 and have them join game 1. But I won't know that for a few days.

Geoschmo</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">My thoughts..... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

It would appear that the number of players now left are 25. By locking out Game2 at 12 players, you are potentially forcing all 5 remaining players into Game1 and forcing Game1 to have 13 players.

I would think a better way would be to leave Game1 and Game2 open till the 13 player limit is reached. If the difference between the two games is 2 or greater, then the Last players are shifted from the game with the larger number of players to the lesser untill the difference is 0 or 1.

Of course, the above assumes all remaining 5 players will join. If not, there isn't a problem.

Just my 2 cents worth. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

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The reason I locked game 2 was to reduce the posibility of having to bump someone from a game. If all 25 remaining players join a game that gives us one game of 13 and one of 12 and it doesn't matter which is which and so leaving them both open makes as much sense as not. However since I don't know yet if all the rest of the players are going to sign up we could have ended up with 13 in one and needing to bump someone to even things up. This way we only need to bump someone if more than two of the remaining four eligible players don't sign up. Which I think is unlikely.

Geoschmo

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The games will start as soon as everyone has joined an uploaded their empires, or as late as the evening of February 25th. If anyone has not joined or uploaded their empires by that point they get bumped according to the rules of the tourney.

I'd say chances are very good that the first turn will fall during your absence. You should have someone available unless you trust the AI to handle it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Geoschmo</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">okie dokie

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, that is what I thought was the reason for this particular modus operandi.

However, for some reason there seems to be a preference for game2.

If all players join, would you be prepared to allow a player to move from Game1 to Game2?

Otherwise you are forcing all remaining players to join Game1.

Just so you do know that I have no personal stake in this, I have no desire to move to Game2. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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This tournament sounds very nice. Too bad when it started I didn't know anyting about it because I didn't played SE4 at the time. I guess it will take very long before Survivor 3 start (if there is going to be such) but how long? I'd like to know how long I have to wait, few months or over year?

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Well, Survivor 1 ran for more than a year. Survivor 2 started in August. It's hard to say how long it will Last but chances are it will be months.

There isn't a reason really we couldn't have separate tournaments running at the same time. I'd call it something else to avoid confusion. Would probably make it a different format too.

Taking suggestions for possible new tournament here.

Geoschmo

[ February 20, 2003, 19:07: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Everyone is afraid of the Worms of Woe in Game1. Askan was so intimidated, he quit altogether...

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Everyone is afraid of the Worms of Woe in Game1. Askan was so intimidated, he quit altogether...</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh my. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif I am sure that's not it. But if it makes you feel better to think so... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

P.S. Askan, if you feel the need to rejoin now and teach Spoon a lesson for his insolence, let me know. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Nope, worms are icky!

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say spoon, what are those weird circles on your forehead... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That is correct. Because Askan has chosen not to continue, that reduces the number of available players and reduces the number needed to eliminate to get to 20 after this round. There are still five more eligible players that have not joined their round 4 game. It's still entirely possible one or mroe of these players will choose not to continue, further reducing the number of players. If more then 2 of the 5 do so I will have to kick one of the players from game 2 and have them join game 1. But I won't know that for a few days.

Geoschmo</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I don't think forcing a player to switch is fair!! If the switched player has been cooperating with other players in his own group he all of a sudden is isolated in the new group without any friends. If group 1 has only ten players they should just start with that amount and force them to eliminate one of their players. Merging should happen all at once not piece meal.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Correct. And that's why I locked game 2 when I did. However you will be pleased to know it's no longer a question of anyone needing to switch games cause Game 1 has 11 players now. Game one is going to have 11, 12, or 13 players. Whatever the final number game 2 can keep it's 12 and things will be as even as is possible.
I don't care which game has more as long as neither has more than one more than the other.

Geoschmo

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Cool! Thanks for organizing this BTW!

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I'm retiring from the tournament. My days at SE4 are coming to an end and I pass my title onto the next worthy victor.

Askan

When SE5 comes at I'll be back at the tournaments, and woe to all who challenge the Empire of Night.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Correct. And that's why I locked game 2 when I did. However you will be pleased to know it's no longer a question of anyone needing to switch games cause Game 1 has 11 players now. Game one is going to have 11, 12, or 13 players. Whatever the final number game 2 can keep it's 12 and things will be as even as is possible.
I don't care which game has more as long as neither has more than one more than the other.

Geoschmo</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">EDIT: Seems I didn't post my comments which are as follows: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Yes, the issue is fairness.

When the game first started we were given to understand that we have a choice of games, so long as the games came out relatively equal.

IIRC, Geoschmo stated prior to the start of game 1, that if there was a disproportionality in players, he may have to transfer players from one game to another if no one volunteered.

So it was stated, very clearly and it was all above board. There was no talk of a lockout.

This was also understood in succeeding games.

That being the case, in game 1, if the situation was 20-18 or 18-20 or worse, the administrator would be right in transfering a player from one game to another if no one volunteered.

Basically, the difference now is the numbers, 13-13, 13-11 or 11-13 or whatever and that a cap can be placed on each game at 13 because we "know" we have 26 players. If two players out of a roster of 26 do not register, the thirteenth player of the 13 player game is well aware that he is the odd man out.

Now, the thirteenth player may argue that he didn't know he would be transfered over. If he didn't know, it certainly is not the administrators fault who was very open about his intention that the final cut should be equal games as possible.

[ February 21, 2003, 01:19: Message edited by: tbontob ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh my. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif I am sure that's not it. But if it makes you feel better to think so... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

P.S. Askan, if you feel the need to rejoin now and teach Spoon a lesson for his insolence, let me know. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That's almost a reason to go back in. Although I thought the reason the Worms kept giving me tech was to appease me? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Askan

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Anybody seen Tbontob lately? Still waiting on his empire file.

Geoschmo

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My apologies Geoschmo.

As soon as I read your message, I submitted my empire.

Hmmm. This makes it twice in a row. I'll try to make not to make it three times. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

How is that for confidence? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif