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Captain Kwok December 4th, 2002 12:24 AM

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I'm glad this game is getting back on track. I'm looking forward to having some time to write some fiction connected to the game again.

Unknown_Enemy December 4th, 2002 01:10 AM

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the most difficult thing about writing game stories?
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">To link what's happening in the game with the main plot I have in mind for my specie. To keep the plot running despite what others are doing.

sachmo December 4th, 2002 01:12 AM

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The hardest thing about this game is trying to create interesting characters/plotlines. Since I'm not fighting for my life in this game, I have to be more creative than in the Remorhaz story!

geoschmo December 4th, 2002 01:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by capnq:
A question for my fellow Historians, and anyone else who's tried their hand at game fiction: what do you find to be the most difficult thing about writing game stories?

I have trouble ending a scene. I haven't been quite satisfied with where my Last two vignettes stopped, but I couldn't figure out where the dialog would go from there.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, endings are hard, and beginings are too. Writing is a lot like flying a plane. The takeoffs and landings are the hardest part. Once you are up in the air the plane does most of the work, you just have to point the nose in the right direction and let it fly itself.

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Originally posted by Unknown_Enemy:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> the most difficult thing about writing game stories?

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">To link what's happening in the game with the main plot I have in mind for my specie. To keep the plot running despite what others are doing.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I think you will find the stories are more interesting and have a more natural feel if you don't try to hard on this point. Simply write about what you want to write about, from your empires point of view. Try not to react to what the others write, unless they have direct communications to you in their Posts. Write about what they do in game. Allow the readers to put the two together in their minds. It will leave more to the imagination, and make them (the readers) feel more like they are part of what is going on.

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Originally posted by sachmo:
The hardest thing about this game is trying to create interesting characters/plotlines. Since I'm not fighting for my life in this game, I have to be more creative than in the Remorhaz story!
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This will come. You will have times in this game where you are fighting quite hard for your life. (Escpecially if you are close to the Katana. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

Unknown_Enemy December 4th, 2002 02:31 AM

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I think you will find the stories are more interesting and have a more natural feel if you don't try to hard on this point.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I disagree.
Problem is not to try too hard, but to keep the focus on it despite other specie's actions. But a condition to that would be to have a long plot that COULD fit in the game. To have one of such is players choice when they create their race.

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Try not to react to what the others write, unless they have direct communications to you in their Posts.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">And this seems to contredict your first sentence. Without interaction, you could just play alone....
I will take it as "what you read is not what your specie is aware of".

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You will have times in this game where you are fighting quite hard for your life. (Escpecially if you are close to the Katana.)
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">They are my immediate neighbourgs, so, what if you are struggling NOT to fight ?

geoschmo December 4th, 2002 02:51 AM

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Yes you could write alone, and many people do. Sachmo has done so in his Rehmoraz story and it's one of the most popular pieces of SEIV fan fiction out there.

The idea of the History game is not that people are cooperating on a single story each writing different pieces, but that each of us are writing the same story from a different point of view. It is not neccesary at all for your Posts to relate to the other peoples Posts. Write them as if they are completely different stories, and let the reader make the connections where they are appropriate.

The whole idea of the reader knowing more than the characters is the basis of the classic literature form of tragedy.

The bit about the Katana was just a poke at Sachmo since he was saying he was having trouble because of not enough fighting. The fighting will happen, sure enough. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

EDIT: Of course I am not saying you cannot coperateivly write a story arc with another player if you want to. The only rule in the History game is you can't "rewrite history", that is you can't lose a fleet in a battle and say your fleet wasn't destroyed. The rest is up to you.

Geoschmo

[ December 04, 2002, 03:01: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

Unknown_Enemy December 4th, 2002 12:45 PM

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each of us are writing the same story from a different point of view
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I don't think so. Is that what you think or what you would like to happen ?

That statement was ok for Hystory 1, when all was evolving around two races in a small quadrant, but now there are much more players right from the beginning, and the universe is huge.

With the current universe helped by the mod, you can bet the 5 tribes will have nothing to do with the Katanas for a very long time, while most of the Imperium's neighbourgs will focus on it with almost nothing related to what's doing the tribes.

All we will have is different stories happening in the same universe for a very long time.

Gimboid December 4th, 2002 01:53 PM

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Hey come on! you people have such limited information to go on and u assume the Katana is an all out hostile race

Now it could well turn out that way, but if it does its one of those situations where it turned out like that because other people said thats how it would end up. So be careful what u say about my race http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

The fuedal aspect of my race does indicate warlike, but doesnt neccessitate that they be that way. Noone here can claim to have seen a large Katana fleet poised for assault on the neighbours... they are too busy concentrating on their own internal clan strife to worry about other races atm. That could change instantly if another race was todo something that caught the attention of the Mahatsuhito clan however http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Unknown_Enemy December 4th, 2002 03:00 PM

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From geoschmo
I can't be sure
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ignorance Is Strength.

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From Gimboid
u assume the Katana is an all out hostile race
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">War Is Peace.

sachmo December 4th, 2002 05:27 PM

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Maybe I could buy the Katana empire...Invexus is making some serious cash at this point. However, the natives are restless...

capnq December 4th, 2002 07:26 PM

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Quote:

The idea of the History game is not that people are cooperating on a single story each writing different pieces, but that each of us are writing the same story from a different point of view. It is not neccesary at all for your Posts to relate to the other peoples Posts.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That sums up how I was writing before the Eifralo made First Contact. I've mentioned in other threads how I wanted to create sub-plots underneath the story arc of the game events.

Contact with other races gets the plots spinning in new directions. I've gotten several new ideas about the Eifralo from things that I've discussed with UE and Geo in e-mails.

geoschmo December 5th, 2002 02:07 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Unknown_Enemy:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> each of us are writing the same story from a different point of view
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I don't think so. Is that what you think or what you would like to happen ?
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This is how I will be writing it for the most part. Others are free to write how they wish, and do what they feel would make their writing more interesting. As you say the universe this time is large, there is plenty of room for different styles. I didn't intend to tell you you had to write it my way, I was simply trying to point out it wasn't required to write it strictly cooperativly. Whichever way people feel feeds their creativity, or even a mixture of both, or something alltogether different I haven't thought of would be fine to.

Gimboid, I hope that Unknown Enemy is joking about this, I know I was. I merely threw your name out there. I was just teasing Sachmo about saying his race hasn't had to fight. UE seems to have taken that comment and run with it. Or maybe he was just playing along too. I can't be sure.

Geoschmo

Gimboid December 5th, 2002 02:20 AM

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I know u guys were, but other people may not have read it that way so i replied...

The galaxy will be what u make it out to be, so if u declare war on me expect to be treated in kind http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Unknown_Enemy December 12th, 2002 03:11 PM

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There has been some fighting occuring Last turn.

But from who.
Where is the AAR ???

geoschmo December 12th, 2002 04:02 PM

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Nothing here. It could be just a warp point first contact or something. But it's odd noone mentioned anything.

Gimboid December 12th, 2002 04:09 PM

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The Katana Imperium has seen no combat, this is a strange occurance then

sachmo December 12th, 2002 05:48 PM

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We're not fighting...unless I missed a turn?

Karras Barrens December 12th, 2002 06:39 PM

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that would be me. Out of supplies scout hit a warp point at the same time a Galtren colony ship did. no hostilities just bad timing

Captain Kwok December 12th, 2002 08:11 PM

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Ha Ha. I just encountered a Galtren frigate as well!

[ December 12, 2002, 18:12: Message edited by: Captain Kwok ]

TerranC December 12th, 2002 11:17 PM

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That's Galtenn Darn it!

sachmo December 17th, 2002 05:40 PM

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Well, my borders are pretty much established. I guess the story should start flowering soon.

Unknown_Enemy December 19th, 2002 11:01 AM

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Are some players on holidays ?

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

Anyway, for the year 2003 I wish..I wish...I wish we'll be able to break the 2 turns per week barrier.

capnq December 19th, 2002 09:25 PM

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The game is waiting for one person's turn.

My part of the story is waiting for responses (either in or outside the story) from three people.

Jmenschenfresser December 20th, 2002 04:05 PM

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Sorry guys for holding up the show. I'm just going to have to bow out of it. It's not a matter so much of time...it's burn out. I really have no desire to play SE4 anymore as of late. Couple that with a new project that involves a lot of energy and time. I am very sorry.

So this is an official call to anyone who wants to take over The Five Tribes of Heru. All characters I've created, story lines and in game situations will be completely yours, if you so accept the challenge.

If you missed out on getting in this game, send an email to Geo or me or just post here. First come first serve, I guess.

Unknown_Enemy December 20th, 2002 06:03 PM

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I feared that.

Good luck in your new project, and thanks for the wonderful stories you gave the community.

On other subject :

Happy Christmas geoschmo

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TerranC December 21st, 2002 12:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Jmenschenfresser:
Sorry guys for holding up the show. I'm just going to have to bow out of it. It's not a matter so much of time...it's burn out. I really have no desire to play SE4 anymore as of late. Couple that with a new project that involves a lot of energy and time. I am very sorry.

So this is an official call to anyone who wants to take over The Five Tribes of Heru. All characters I've created, story lines and in game situations will be completely yours, if you so accept the challenge.

If you missed out on getting in this game, send an email to Geo or me or just post here. First come first serve, I guess.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Darn. I hope your desire to play SE4 comes back up soon. Good luck.

Ragnarok December 21st, 2002 12:45 AM

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Originally posted by TerranC:
Darn. I hope your desire to play SE4 comes back up soon. Good luck.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ditto. I hope you will one day return to SEIV. I'm pretty confident you will. I once was burned out of the game. But the PBW helped revive me and I can't get enough anymore. Maybe with the new patch you will come running back to this great game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Unknown_Enemy December 23rd, 2002 11:59 PM

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bump

replacement player still needed.

Unknown_Enemy January 13th, 2003 12:33 PM

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AAARRRGGGHHH !!!!!

Aronnax just leaved the game.
Until now, I played a peaceful race which has still not produced a single weapon platform/unit/warship. But if I have to deal with an IA controlled empire, I will have to trash that policie much quicker than I thought

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[ January 13, 2003, 14:21: Message edited by: Unknown_Enemy ]

Gimboid January 13th, 2003 03:27 PM

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I think we should wait till we get a replacement, otherwise the AI player will send whatever ships the Cythereans have at my empire in small Groups. Which will subsequently be eliminated and possibly change the balance of power to the north of my empire

Unknown_Enemy January 13th, 2003 04:30 PM

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Agreed.

Especially in that game, an IA could spread havoc. I would have to unleash the Tyrean AI Consensus before the next SE4 patch is published. I believe nobody would like to deal with the time burst uber-weapon until the bug is fixed......

Unknown_Enemy January 21st, 2003 11:46 AM

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Sigh.

I know I am *****ing again, but we achieved to play something like 6 turns for the Last 5 or 6 weeks.

Fortunately I wrote some ideas for a later use a month ago, but every week, I have to get down to my pile of mails and try to remember what happened, what was the course of events for the preceding turns.

This is without any doubt the slowest PBW I ever played. What's going on with it ????

Unknown_Enemy February 20th, 2003 05:37 PM

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bump.

what's going on on the eastern side of the quadrant ?

sachmo February 20th, 2003 05:57 PM

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Well, it seems Invexus has overcome the "AI Revolution", so we should be getting back into the story soon. I don't want my empire to become to fixated with the growing Glide problem, because I think we all know how much of a problem drugs are in our own reality, but I think it can keep things interesting. I'll belt something out soon! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

dumbluck March 5th, 2003 12:31 PM

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I noticed that TerranC is back Online. Did he want his spot back? Are y'all willing to let him have it back?

TerranC March 5th, 2003 06:14 PM

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I don't think I deserve my spot back. And now is not a good time to have it back; some things in my life right now are quirky.

The chair is yours Dumbluck. Just don't break my butt groove. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

dumbluck March 6th, 2003 12:25 PM

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Ok. When you're ready (and they'll take you back), just let me know. I'm not much of a writer, as I've discovered...

Unknown_Enemy March 17th, 2003 10:22 PM

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The Tyrean Federation call the lies of the murderous Invexus leadership !

All the races knowing Invexius and Tyrean will be able to see we were still allied on 2408.4, and we did NOT receive any message at that time.

On 2408.5, we received the following message :
"The time for talk has past. Leave Harridane IMMEDIATELY or suffer the consequences. "
At the same time, our colony was glassed. No attemps to take the defenseless planet, the citizens never had any way to flee.

Captain Kwok March 17th, 2003 10:28 PM

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Interesting post...considering a recent message that I've recieved.

The Juprup Federation does not support any unprovoked attack, nor do we tolerate propaganda designed to pull us into war. We are not happy with the Invexus Corporation. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

sachmo March 18th, 2003 12:15 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Unknown_Enemy:
The Tyrean Federation call the lies of the murderous Invexus leadership !

All the races knowing Invexius and Tyrean will be able to see we were still allied on 2408.4, and we did NOT receive any message at that time.

On 2408.5, we received the following message :
"The time for talk has past. Leave Harridane IMMEDIATELY or suffer the consequences. "
At the same time, our colony was glassed. No attemps to take the defenseless planet, the citizens never had any way to flee.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Unfortunate side effect of the PBW game, I suppose. I had a ship in orbit around your planet. I canceled the treaty, and he must have attacked? I'm not quite sure what happened, but it's on now, I guess!

Seriously, if this isn't the way you want the story to go, just pop another colony ship over and we can sweep the whole thing under the rug!

Unknown_Enemy March 18th, 2003 12:29 AM

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mmmm....

Don't think so.

This game is moving at Last !

And, anyway, to glass a planet is a warcrime. Invexus'Board Chairman and all the main board members have an enormous bounty on their heads.

We'll send you our peace conditions, but we have not settled all of them.

geoschmo March 18th, 2003 12:37 AM

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Yep Sachmo, breaking treaty causes your ship to attack if it was in the same sector as his planet. Looks like whether you wanted it or not you got yourself a war. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Fyron March 18th, 2003 01:17 AM

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The Tribes of Heru take no official stance in this incident.

Well... except for this:
We will tolerate no ships of war crossing our space, from either side.

[ March 17, 2003, 23:18: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

Unknown_Enemy March 18th, 2003 01:32 AM

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Due to your position, we can easily understand this. Especially when we are eagerly waiting for your explanation on what happened to the Fleet of the Damned. It seems this unarmed Tyrean explorer just blowed off while under armed supervision of your navy.

I am sure you'll be convincing
(mail me we'll get something running).

Anyway we will have to cross neutral territories to capture Invexius' board. We will take the shortest known road and will not engage in resuply operation while on neutral ground.

Fyron March 18th, 2003 01:36 AM

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You will not send _any_ military vessels into our space. Neither will the Invexus. Doing so would be a declaration of war against us. We wish to remain neutral in this conlfict. Do not force us to enter it.

geoschmo March 18th, 2003 01:41 AM

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You goes should put this stuff in the RP thread. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Fyron March 18th, 2003 01:43 AM

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Where is the RP thread again? I am too lazy to look for it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

geoschmo March 18th, 2003 01:46 AM

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Well currently it's only about 2/3rds the way down the fornt page. But here's a link: http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin...;f=23;t=007098

Unknown_Enemy March 18th, 2003 01:52 AM

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we can sweep the whole thing under the rug!
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The event was already posted in the RP thread. And the most important rule about this game is that RP RULES.

It was written, so it happened.

Fyron March 18th, 2003 02:01 AM

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Ok... I got the ball rolling in the RP thread for my neutrality. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif


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