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Well, my dad is married, and he is an engineer... So I guess he had a girlfriend while he was an engineer...... Well wait a minute... he's only worked at that place for 17 years.... and my parents have been married 20... So I guess you got a good question.... [ November 25, 2002, 23:47: Message edited by: Ragnarok ] |
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rags, believe me I never want to make it SMALLER!! For those with some sort of Engineering background. You might find this humorous! You Might be an Engineer If... Buying flowers for your girlfriend or spending the money to upgrade your RAM is a moral dilemma. OR You are at an air show and know how fast the skydivers are falling. OR You see a good design and still have to change it. AND LASTLY The salespeople at Radio Shack can't answer any of your questions. mlmbd http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif |
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It's not so difficult to decide whether to buy flowers or RAM.
If you have a girlfriend, always buy the flowers, unless it's your NOTEBOOK computer we're talking about. It's very difficult to calculate how fast the skydivers are falling, because skydivers have an irregular shape, and therefore the math for the air resistance is complex. The calculation is easier if we are considering falling spheres, but it is still not that simple. It would probably be easier to empirically determine a skydiver's speed of descent by observing many skydivers and measuring their speeds. Once you have some statistics on the speeds, you will know the ballpark figure. If you know the distance from yourself to the skydiver and you have a stopwatch, you can roughly calculate the speed by seeing how far they go down in a period of time. A good design is not necessarily the BEST design. It is very possible that the design may be further improved to increase performance, improve efficiency, or reduce the cost of manufacture, or to make it easier to service, etc. The sales people at Radio Shack don't know what a zener diode is. They don't know the difference between a PNP and NPN transistor and can't help you select the best transistor for your application. They think that a transformer is a toy robot that turns into a car. Well, I'm sure not ALL the sales people, there, just some of them. |
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Kamog, I guess we're both engineers then.
The optimist thinks the cup is half full; the pessimist thinks the cup is half empty; the engineer thinks they could have designed a smaller cup. I never bought my girlfriend flowers, I gave her books or CD's (must have worked because we're married now). http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif |
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Hope that clears that up! Kamog, I rest my case!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif You Might be an Engineer If... You spent more on your calculator than you did on your wedding ring. OR, You Might be an Engineer If... You've ever tried to repair a $5 radio. mlmbd http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif |
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ALL engineers DO have girlfriends, if you count the imaginary girlfriends.
Well, why should someone spend a lot of money on a piece of jewelry that has no practical use? A wedding ring is a piece of metal with (usually) a polished stone attached to it. Does it really make a difference whether you spend $200 or $2000 or $20,000 on it? Given that the different priced rings have exactly the same functionality, it is logical to choose the most cost-efficient one. You can't go too cheap, however, because this is an emotional thing. A calculator, on the other hand, does have more functionality when you buy an expensive one. The Hewlett Packard HP48GX is a very nice graphing programmable calculator with expandable memory. By the way, Reverse Polish Notation (RPN) calculators are the best! RPN is more convenient because intermediate values are placed on the stack and can be viewed and manipulated. Instead of entering this: 5 x (10 - 8 ) + 6 / 14 = You do this: 5 enter 10 enter 8 - x 6 enter 14 / + The only problem with RPN calculators is that when people borrow it, they spend 5 minutes looking for the = sign and then they complain that they can't use it. (And they're not interested in listening when you try to teach them how RPN works!) And repairing a $5 radio, why not? It doesn't really matter how much the radio cost, you just open it up and try to fix it - just for fun! Edit: I put "Enter" inside < > and it just gave me a blank space! [ November 27, 2002, 04:50: Message edited by: Kamog ] |
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Like I said, Kamog. I rest my case. Check this link: http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin...;f=23;t=007479
I have been waiting!! mlmbd http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif |
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All right, I admit it... you're right... Your questions work. Yes, I am an engineer. I graduated in engineering physics.
It's nice to be in this forum with many other fellow technical people - engineers, computer programmers, physicists, and other scientists. I find that a lot of people out there aren't very interested in discussing technical matters... [ November 27, 2002, 07:02: Message edited by: Kamog ] |
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Here's another way to tell whether someone's an engineer: ask them what the square root of -1 is.
If they're not an engineer, they'll either give you a blank look, or tell you that the answer is i. Engineers will tell you that it is j. (We don't use i for square root of -1 because it could be confused with I as in electrical current.) |
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FLASH! Live Update from LURKER LAND.
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Q:How to deal with lurker infestation? http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/Lurking.gif
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WELCOME TO FIFTH EDITION OF THE LURK REPORT. Brought to you by mlmbd http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif ;
GOOD DAY ONE AND ALL!!! Hope you are having, or will have a GREAT Saturday!! Hope you are not suffering to badly from all the over-eating and nibbling of THANKSGIVING DAY! FIRST IN THE NEWS!! It is SO BIG I probably don't even have to say anything! But, for those of you that were busy with Turkey day or simple didn't try to log-on to www.shrapnel.com yesterday or Thanksgiving Day. It was down most of Thursday and Friday. As BIG as that is, it was not what I was referring to. I was referring to RICHARD, the beloved Leader of SpOps. Is leaving shrapnel employ!! What an absolute SHOCKER! He will sorely missed by this reporter! I wish him the best, in ALL his future endeavors. What and where ever they may be. I do hope he will stop by every now an again to say, HOWDY! So this weeks report is going to an abridged Version of the LURK REPORT. I can hear you. Some of you are CHEERING! SHAME on you! Seems I need to deal with an INVASION. Or some such BUNK! OK, on to the other NEWS; MAXIUM FORCE INVAVSION SQUASHED! Several injuries did occurred during the small skirmish. Seems there were a few INDIVIDUALS that strained or sprained something from LAUGHING so hard!! Daynarr, Ain't NOTHING that easy!! Your puny little weapons have no effect in LURKER LAND. The only person you are going to frighten will all those CUTE little smiley's, is YOURSELF. Trying to get them all to line up just RIGHT for you. Oh my that is TRULEY terrifying, isn't it! I think you have just read one to many comic books, perhaps! The LURK REPORT will return in full force next week!! mlmbd http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif So for NOW, This is; mlmbd http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif , Signing off till next we meet!! I "THANK YOU", And I bid you WELL!! [ November 30, 2002, 10:31: Message edited by: mlmbd ] |
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Accuse me, dumbluck! Just where to you think you are quietly slinking off to? I ask YOU? Engineers also work in factories. And the slinking is very reminiscent of LURKING!
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Please DON'T slink away, dumbluck! Technical people aren't any better than anybody else. It was not my intention to come across as being arrogant, or to put anybody down in any way. Technical people are specialized in a particular area, that's all, just as athletes specialize in sports, business people focusing on entrepreneurship, artists practising art, etc. Each one of us is unique, with his or her own special talents, skills and gifts, nobody is better than anyone else.
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mimbd, great Lurk report! Only one problem -- no bold italics! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif
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WELCOME TO SIXTH EDITION OF THE LURK REPORT. Brought to you by mlmbd http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif ;
GOOD DAY ONE AND ALL!!! Hope you are having, or will have a GREAT Friday!! FIRST UP, There were many NEW Users, this week. So to ALL the NEW USEERS, WELCOME TO THE FORUMS! And the LURK REPORT! Hope your enjoy you time here! MS fixes 'moderate' IE bug experts say is 'serious' - MY, MY! WHAT A SURPRISE, yet ANOTHER bug! Babylon 5 Mod, the B5 Team are busily update this and that. Check out the LATEST and GREATEST here; http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin...;f=23;t=004079 go on over, and check it out. The Mod is, GREAT! Timstone is working away at an Ipsha Shipset (more particularly a BattleGlobe at present). Look and be AMAZED here; http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin...;f=23;t=007557 I know I was! Hurry up! Official TNG-Mod, as usual Captain Kwok is very busy upgrading his mod. Get your *** Star Trek: TNG Mod *** fix here, http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin...;f=23;t=005736 Lot's of GREAT Star Trek stuff! Go on, you know you are dying to see all those NEW pics his adding! Official Image Collection, Suicide Junkie is busy, as always. With his Imagemod. For EVERYONE, yes EVERYONE, get the latest Version here; http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin...;f=23;t=004545 Have to have it. I know!! Atrocities Star Trek Mod (ASTmod), Atrocities is very busy updating and fixing, his latest Mod. Check out ASTmod and his New Age Ship Yards connection right here; http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin...;f=23;t=007521 Lots of GREAT Star Trek things in the works. Oh, go on. You know you want to! geoschmo, is starting his "King of the Hill" game. Check in or sign up here; http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin...;f=23;t=007559 You want to play a game? Sure you do! Ragnarok is running a 1 on 1 tourney! Grab the latest info! Or sign up for 1 on 1 tourney here;http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin...;f=23;t=007553 You know you want to play. So, go on! I'll be here when you're finished checking it out! Master Belisarius AI DEAD MATCH CONTEST! is into the next round. Check out all the latest tournament results here; http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin...;f=23;t=007409 You don't need a TV to get all the latest SURVIVORS low down! There is a whole lot more going on here. With NEW MOD ideas, the Cantina, great STORIES, DISCUSSIONS of all kinds. Even a Weather Report, not to be confused with THE LURK REPORT. I just wanted to keep the size manageable. So check it ALL out!! I apologize to ANYONE that thinks that I left them out. Post your latest NEWS here. So for NOW, This is; mlmbd http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif , Signing off till next we meet!! I "THANK YOU", And I bid you WELL!! (only 1645 to go, rags) [ December 06, 2002, 12:44: Message edited by: mlmbd ] |
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geoschmo, SORRY for the inaccuracy! I will try not to let ot happen again, Sir! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif
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Ah well! I can see that everyone. Well almost everyone is in an Avatar frenzy. So, I will just have to wait around. Until the feeding is over!
One GREAT thing about it is, I don't have to worry about posting about it! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif mlmbd http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif |
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I am going to celebrate my 400th post, AND my Promotion all by myself! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Just the way any self respecting LUKRER would!
HIP, HIP HURRAY! HIP, HIP HURRAY! HIP, HIP HURRAY! Yeah, ME! OWA, I'm no longer a non-com! mlmbd http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif [ December 09, 2002, 23:26: Message edited by: mlmbd ] |
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OH, MY GOD!! Another user!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
Be still my heart! rags, THANK YOU, DUDE!! mlmbd http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif |
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Second Lieutenant mlmbd http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif !
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rags, so how about that wonderful story of yours, my friend? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
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..is it 'any time' yet? I was told to drop by 'any time'! Is it 'any time' yet? I wonder what would happen if i hit 'any key' 5 times... mlmbd... hmmm looks familiar. Congratulations on the promotion,.. I'd like to create a nice shiny new avatar to celebrate the occasion. Any ideas on what you'd like mlmbd? Dorp me a hint will ya?
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rags, sorry to hear that you were/are not feeling well. Hope everything is better! I now all to well about being busy. Didn't want or mean to rush you about the story. You know me, I just love Great story telling. You do tell Great story , for sure! I will be looking forward to the next addition!
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mlmbd, I look forward to seeing your new avatar when you get it done, more power to you!
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WELCOME TO SEVENTH EDITION OF THE LURK REPORT. Brought to you by mlmbd http://www.shrapnelgames.com//ubb/icons/icon6.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif ;
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The Electronic Entertainment Expo or E3EXPO. Has started taking registration. Grab a look here; http://www.e3expo.com/ MICROSOFT PATCHES EIGHT SOFTWARE HOLES, involving the virtual machine used to run Java apps on Windows. Grab the info here; http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec...n/MS02-069.asp More holes in a MS product. What an absolute shocker! Babylon 5 Mod, VAL and entire B5 crew are very busy updating the B5mod, check out all the latest info. And the mod here; http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin...;f=23;t=004079 Whew, I can see there are a lot of B5 fans, out there! Suicide Junkie's Official Image Collection is as always being updated. Drop by, http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin...;f=23;t=005736 to grab all the latest mod news and images. Or make a contribution! dogscoff, has the The Neo-expansion pack: It's finally here! or informally called the "NEOXPANTION V1._00" running on ALL cylinders. With a rumored update in the works. SHSSH! Get the latest info and expansion pack right here; http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin...;f=23;t=007575 Hurry along. Wouldn't want you to miss all those GREAT NEW IMAGES! History of the Galaxy II Discussion Thread, sachmo and all his close FRIENDS would love to discuss it with you here; http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin...;f=23;t=007141 They are waiting for you! Atrocities has updated his Atrocities Star Trek Mod (ASTmod) UPDATED 12-6, get it his news and info here; http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin...;f=23;t=007521 Great looking new STAR TREK MOD! Matryx has just released an update to his The Unofficial Space Empires 4 Mod Utility V2.25. Get the latest here; http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin...;f=23;t=007367 Don't miss out! Captain Kwok, has the *** Official TNG-Mod Discussion *** running in high gear. Get his latest mod news and here; http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin...;f=23;t=005736 Imperator Fyron, is working on a very interesting mod called the Magic Mod. Sounds like a WINNER to me. All the latest on the mod here; http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin...;f=23;t=006273 Imperator Fyron aso has Fyron's Quadrant Mod grab the latest info here; http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin...;f=23;t=006034 This is must have! A new map is born... , Taz-in-Space and Tnarg, have just released a NEW map for SEIV. Check out the link and grab the map here; http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin...;f=23;t=007608 Rise of the Remorhaz Society, has had a couple of chapters added by sachmo. Really great reading; turn the page here; http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin...;f=23;t=006002 David Gervais, does; and I quote: Have I got an Avatar pic for you? Grab a NEW avatar. Or have an old one UPDATED right here; http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin...;f=23;t=007568 Just want to talk about avatars with David Gervais, then go over to New Avatar pic Feedback thread.. click on this link to get there; http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin...;f=23;t=007582 Isn't time you were sporting a NEW AVATAR? Sure it is! Master Belisarius, has the AI DEAD MATCH CONTEST!, entering it's final stages. Check out all the action here; http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin...;f=23;t=007409 Go ahead! Puke is working on a mod called grit-tech mod. Get the very latest info here; http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin...;f=23;t=001946 Don't forget to grab the teaser while you're there! There is a whole lot more going on here. With NEW MOD ideas, the Cantina, great STORIES, DISCUSSIONS of all kinds. Even a Weather Report, not to be confused with THE LURK REPORT. I just wanted to keep the size manageable. So check it ALL out!! I apologize to ANYONE that thinks that I left them out. Post your latest NEWS here. So for NOW, This is; mlmbd http://www.shrapnelgames.com//ubb/icons/icon6.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif , Signing off till next we meet!! I "THANK YOU", And I bid you WELL!! (only 1534 to go) [ December 13, 2002, 08:52: Message edited by: mlmbd ] |
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Yihoo! I got in the lurk report! Ok, my mission for next week: 2 seperate entries in the lurk report. I think I can, I think I can...
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dogscoff, I celebrate with you!
2 seperate entries in the LURK REPORT. You have VERY, VERY HIGH goals, indeed! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif But you do have a entire week! mlmbd http://www.shrapnelgames.com//ubb/icons/icon6.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif |
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..hmmm I'm happy and sad all at the same time.. I made it into the 'Lurk Report' but I'm 14th on the list and there was no link to the 'Avatar Emporium' Geoschmo set up for me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif
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David Gervais, the LURK REPORT is not done on a popularity bases. Or how active the thread is, I dont count Posts. It obviously needs to have some activity within the Last seven days! When I start to prepare the report I just log on and the way the threads sit is the way I report them. I decided to do this so no one could say I was showing favoritism. Is so happens I started this report very early this morning. Only 2 other Users on the Forums.
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In fact since you posted the report I have seen several new people poping over to my avatar thread to check the action out. Thanks! You are providing a welcome and usefull service by writing this report every week. Keep up the fantastic work. BTW.. you should have known that I've been having way too much fun this week to have a sad bone in my body. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Cheers! |
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David Gervais, sorry for my misinterpretation. I just spend lots of hours (which I do love, or I wouldn't keep doing the report) trying to make sure I am as fair to everyone as is possible!
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WELCOME THE EIGHTH (AND POSSIBLY FINAL) EDITION OF THE LURK REPORT! Brought to you by mlmbd http://www.shrapnelgames.com//ubb/icons/icon6.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif ;
GOOD DAY ONE AND ALL!!! Hope you are having, or will have a GREAT Friday!! As well as an AWESOME X-MAS! Followed by an OUTSTANDING NEW YEAR! FIRST, This is going to be the smallest LURK REPORT ever! OK, you can stop cheering now. Geesh! The LURK REPORT is going on vacation for TWO (you heard me) TWO weeks. MAYBE FOR GOOD. Since I started this thread. There has been very little feed back. So, in the next TWO WEEKS, you decide whether or not you want it to continued. You don't have to post much. Or anything relevant for that matter. Just so I know I am not doing this for MYSELF! OK, enough said on that. There is only ONE item to report this week! Ruatha, has been making additions to his FAQ or Frequently Asked Questions for Newbies. You can read all about it here; http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin...;f=23;t=005518 Go on, I know you have a question about SEIV! He has also started a thread if you would like to make an addition. Or just help him out. You can get there, right here; http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin...;f=23;t=007663 Don't pass up the chance to be FAMOUS! OK! That is it for this week. Boys and Girls! So for NOW; This is, mlmbd http://www.shrapnelgames.com//ubb/icons/icon6.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif , Signing off!!! I "THANK YOU", And I bid you WELL!! (only 1507 to go) [ December 20, 2002, 14:55: Message edited by: mlmbd ] |
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So much for plans to get 2 mentions... oh well, next time I'll do it for sure.
The lurk report should stay! I still think you should find a place to archive all the previous reports for posterity and (possibly) reference. The Encyclopedia Malfadorica seems like a logical place, or I could host the report on my site, if you can stand my habit of forgetting to update it for months at a time . |
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