Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

Play & learn everytime http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">2 missile platforms will always work before point defense is discovered and it makes your population happy to win the battle thereby increasing production.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

my game is barren... i forgot how there is a complete lack of planets... or did geo design this map... it is brutal... stay tuned for a long game...

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">True, but the weapons platforms will take damage and if they are destroyed you are back to being defenseless. The ideal would be both, but he didn't have time for that.

I guess the moral is, don't build only colonizers in the first turns if your opponent is starting right next door and is building frigates. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Geoschmo

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Well, I don't know if it's a record for PBW or not, and I am sure there have been TCP/IP games and hotseat games play more turns, but Thermo and I have played 40 turns today. That's a record for any PBW game I have ever been a part of.

Geoschmo

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

I think it is safe to say that I will live to 50 turns, but 100 might be another story.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It will be a long game. Turn 25 and no first contact. We are probably as far away from each other as possible.

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Are there any standings to report? Have any been posted yet? Question: Should we have a set of Maps that players can choose to play on? Having Planets in adjacent systems seems a bit to close. But I am all for quick games.

[ December 15, 2002, 16:43: Message edited by: Gozra ]

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

I think that random maps are better. That way you will never know what you are going to get, and will have to be prepared for every eventuality.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

Random maps are good... Fryon's maps are better... But Custom maps designed for 2 players is best.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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I agree with Thermo... I like the effect of random maps (and placement). It gives aggressive players a chance for an early win. Although, I am a very conservative player by heart... I think one thing I will definitely learn from these games is how to attempt an early victory. By nature, I avoid early wars because it hurts expansion way too much.

Tesco- what types of "custom maps" did you have in mind, and how in your opinion would they be designed for 2 players?

One thing that comes to mind is to use small maps, to expedite games.

[ December 15, 2002, 17:39: Message edited by: Stone Mill ]

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Well, 1FSTCAT and I had just started to rock and roll on turns when the server went down. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

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you can randomly create the map... and have two defined starting positions...

Then change the warp points... So that each empire is say located at a good distance away from each other... And add some surprises... Also maps can be reused by changing the warp points... And then you can also have players replay maps etc... to see what the outcome will be later on....

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I just got back from a party to make some turns and the server is down http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

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Geo-

On the KOTH page, I definitely see the need for a "Successful Title Defenses," or "Defended the Hill" column. This will track victories at the top, which is the most important stat.

What do you think?

Onward to glory. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

Yeah, I would agree with StoneMill. Near the KOTH box there may be top 3 kings displayed that defended the Hill maximum number of times and the players' stats link would be available near that to see the score of all players.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

know what else would be cool.

Click on a player and see there history..
Who they played and who won and turn lenghts and settings...

THat would be cool

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

It would truly be brutal if, right in the middle of one "King of the Hill" match, a third player suddenly entered and helped one player double-team and beat the King. Of course, that would end up in multiple feuds, tag team matches, and long-running game grudges and such.

Pity it is beyond the game's programming..at least yet. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Not Really you could have neutural players in the game and the host could randomly activate them. But I think that would be another tourneament./contest

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Cheeze,

I'm amazed that everything in life can be reflected in a Professional Wrestling analogy.

Just because we are the Galactic Tag Team Champs of "Duplicity" does not mean you can clobber someone with a steel chair from behind while doing their SEIV turn!

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Even thought the game went against me, I think Random maps are better.

I started in the second system from the bottom right and didn't expect Yulroy to be in the bottom right corner. When I discovered that, I was thinking about how I could box him in and expand into the rest of the systems. Unforntunetly his first attack took out my Space Yard facility, which stopped my defenders from being built (I had 15% bonus in Space Yard constuction) effectively killing me.

If we were playing a custom map, I never would have learned to defend my Home System in the first 1-4 turns.

Geo - You want to delete our Game on PBW, I don't want to be reminder any more. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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When I can't find a way to reference something in terms of pro-wrestling, I'll worry.

You have revealed my plan for winning in "The Good, Bad, Ugly and Dead"!! Damn you!!!

[ December 15, 2002, 23:46: Message edited by: Cheeze ]

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Ya know... now that I think of it...

Don't knock this entirely just yet... but think of the way KOTH is played in real life. Maybe there is room for something like it here.

Once you are on top of the hill, you are ganged up upon!! The odds are not 1 on 1 for long.

OK OK I know it's a bit absurd, but at least I'll entertain myself with the thought. What if...
after your first defense at the top of the Hill, you then have to defend yourself 1 on 2, then 1 on 3!!! Now THAT would be a feat.

OK, back to reality... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

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So Stonemill, if we did something like this who would be the new king of the hill?

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Whoever backstabs the best after taking out the old King? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Sounds like it would make great commentary for the rest of the KOTH players...

"And Geoschmo, our current KOTH Champion, has Cheeze stuck in the corner with Dreadnaughts on one side, BaseShips on the other...
Oh, No...
What is that Stone Mill???
Where did Suicide Junkie come from...
He has...
It's...
On no, It's a Star Destroyer...
Suicide Junkie can't do this, can he Stone Mill???
And Geoschmo, he hasn't seen his danage yet.
Its entering Geoschmo's Home World...
This is the end, Stone Mill...
I can't watch...

[ December 16, 2002, 01:30: Message edited by: Baron Grazic ]

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LOL great play-by play, Baron!

Posted by Geoschmo:
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh yes, that DOES pose a problem, now, doesn't it?

Well, as S.J. says, (I think), maybe it's the one who backstabs best! Uh, well, errr... just how do we prove that?

Well maybe this has application as some kind of special event outside the regular KOTH rules. We can call it a pay-per-view special!
Add all kind of random events, player entries, and chaos. Hilarity ensues.

Regular KOTH is easiest to manage with "Thunderdome" Rules: "Two man enter... one man leave."

More fun brainstorming:

The Royal Rumble: 20 players draw lots. Each player enters the game according to his draw every 5 turns. One winner. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

Chalk one up for Geo, and send me to the bottom where I belong. I stand soundly defeated at turn 64. The game could have continued for a while, but I could not have won.

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Zounds!! My madness is spreading and infecting others!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

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Ok... This time I think I have an honest-to-goodness cool suggestion!

The title holder for KOTH should have a neat KOTH championship icon added to his/her signature block! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Past winners of the KOTH should have a small, (but not as nice) "former KOTH" icon.

Perhaps one of our fantastic celebrity artists can come up with something? Maybe it looks like a championship belt?

What do you think?

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

Stone Mill, that is a good suggestion. It's just not an original one. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif If you read back through the nine pages of Posts here we had much discussion about doing soemthing exactly like that. Since we don't have a K.O.T.H. yet, we tabled it for the moment. But I imagine it will come up again in a few weeks.

Geoschmo

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Ah, Geo. Yes, I knew it rang a bell.

Sorry Dogscoff!!

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hey, I really like your suggestions! Maybe we can ask David G? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

geo what are u doing sitting way up there all by your self... Man...

People are going to start thinking your a really good player and start gunning for you in other games http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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Dang dude, you're moving up the 'hill' fast. Not even another player in the lower bracket. Me and PhoenixD are at turn 67 and he is winning. I didn't have the greatest starting position and his ships are more advanced then mine. Due to the fact that I am not the best player when it comes low tech start with medium start. I guess I should practice with that setting against the AI for awhile eh? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif But I am sure we will break the 100 turn mark.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Quite simple, really. The two contenders defeat the old King, and then backstab eachother. Last empire standing takes the crown.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So in reality, this turns it into a 3-way dance. Seems like the best players will be playing defensively, and may just go to war with everyone from the beginning. There is nothing really compelling the two challengers to work together, when you think of it.

Nonetheless, I still like the concept. But for Geo, it may be tough to administrate.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I have a lot of experience in one on one games. And my strengths at SE4 tend to show up in the early game. What I do here is not neccesarily indicative of my performance in other games. The two player SE4 game really is a different animal than a larger field.

But there are players that can and have beat me in one on one before. A couple are in the league, I just haven't faced them yet. And the guys I beat could beat me if we played again. I got a little lucky and took advantage of a couple small mistakes.

Geoschmo

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Geo,
you can 'praise' yourself as a 'bad' player but I feel better that I'm loosing the first round. At least for now http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif because this is my first (and not only mine) experience in 1-on-1 game. Would be an easy snack for ya http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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Edit: Totally misread Pablos post. Information there in didn't make any sense. Sorry about that.

[ December 16, 2002, 21:44: Message edited by: Ragnarok ]

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Pablo crackers. Yum! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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PhoenixD is about to win. He is wiping out my planets as we speak. I do not have the forces or enough shipyards to come back. (I suck at this. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif ) But it is only a mere formality now. Game will be over this evening probably.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

"Not even another player in the lower bracket. Me and PhoenixD are at turn 67 and he is winning. I didn't have the greatest starting position and his ships are more advanced then mine. Due to the fact that I am not the best player when it comes low tech start with medium start. I guess I should practice with that setting against the AI for awhile eh? But I am sure we will break the 100 turn mark."

Especially if I keep running my main attack fleet out of gas..oops. Actually when my first attack fleet hit that minefield, I thought I was through. I was going for a quick kill..and the only thing that saved my was finding a few huge breathables in the south. Bad start? You had three breathables in your home system! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

EDIT: Oh, and the fact that I had a big agressive/defensive advantage, and you went direct-fire, didn't hurt either. You scared the living heck out of my when we first met. Relgious AND temporal AND a shipyard advantage? Yike.

Phoenix-D

[ December 16, 2002, 23:25: Message edited by: Phoenix-D ]

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"Especially if I keep running my main attack fleet out of gas..oops. Actually when my first attack fleet hit that minefield, I thought I was through. I was going for a quick kill..and the only thing that saved my was finding a few huge breathables in the south. Bad start? You had three breathables in your home system!"

Yeah I had three in my home system. But the systems around me basically sucked. One thing I need to learn how to do is manage my resources a little bit better. I could've hurt you bad at that point when you thought you were done for if I had not run out of minerals. When I play a turn I always make sure I'm making money at the end of the turn. But in this game you attacked so early so I was trying to get defensive ships out and research the right technologies to defend myself. Was a tough feat to do.

"EDIT: Oh, and the fact that I had a big agressive/defensive advantage, and you went direct-fire, didn't hurt either. You scared the living heck out of my when we first met. Relgious AND temporal AND a shipyard advantage? Yike."
So that is why you whooped me so bad in those battles. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif But the thing about Religious and Temporal in a game such as this, low start medium cost, is that it's tough to dedicate the time needed to research those fields. So I never even got to research the first steps in those areas. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

All in all a good game. I learned a couple new things and hopefully I can use that to my advantage.

Ok, I officially surrendered. Game went 103 turns. Good game PhoenixD! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Edit:
"Actually when my first attack fleet hit that minefield, I thought I was through. I was going for a quick kill..and the only thing that saved my was finding a few huge breathables in the south."

I knew my only chance to stay close with that fleet in there was to get mines out. Which saved me for a few turns but my ships just couldn't do nothing against yours.

[ December 17, 2002, 00:04: Message edited by: Ragnarok ]

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Good game. Hmm, eight colonies left.

Getting a spacial distorition into the enemy home system is weird. Getting two in one game to the *same sector* of that system..

I had to attack, or loose. I had a only slightly better prospects than you, and all my expansion oppurtuniy was either straight at you or waaay down south.

Phoenix-D

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"Getting a spacial distorition into the enemy home system is weird. Getting two in one game to the *same sector* of that system.."

I know, that was extreamly odd. Worked out for you, gave you some recon while in there. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

"I had to attack, or loose. I had a only slightly better prospects than you, and all my expansion oppurtuniy was either straight at you or waaay down south."

I see, I knew you would be to the west of me and not south, so I tried to avoid going to the east for a few turns whiel I established some colonies around the system down south. But it didn't work out... I shouldn't be so conservitive next time either. I should take it to the house unstead of waiting on the house to crumble. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

"I knew you would be to the west of me and not south"

Hmm. How?

Phoenix-D

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well I didn't really know, I just had a feeling. Usually in 2 player games you can sort of guess where the computer will place people. Sure, sometimes you're way off but 75% of the time you can guess in which general direction they are in. Unless you start in the middle of course.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well I didn't really know, I just had a feeling. Usually in 2 player games you can sort of guess where the computer will place people. Sure, sometimes you're way off but 75% of the time you can guess in which general direction they are in. Unless you start in the middle of course.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, I must be in the middle then cuz I've got 1FSTCAT on both sides of me pressing me early.

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Umm, Geo? Is there a reason the league page shows the middle of the hill as having 3 game slots (6 players) and the top as 2 (4 players)? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Phoenix-D

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Yep, that seems strange or I am too addicted to a football type of championship. 16-8-4-2-1 or something like that...
Way too late now. Goodnight.