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Several years ago, I posted I believe it was U.S. Army TRADOC WEG 2011/or 2012 VOL 1 Ground Systems-Documents-Operational Environment and Threat Analysis Directorate (G2 INTEL.).
This document is used for training of leadership to access the types of systems they might encounter on the battlefield. In trying to find some additional info on a tank(s) at 0400 because I've got some kind of "nasty" that won't let get any sleep, I came across the following... https://community.apan.org/wg/tradoc...cuments/218108 (For VOL 1 Ground Systems.) https://community.apan.org/wg/tradoc...rder=Ascending (This will give you access to besides VOL 1, VOL 2 Air and Air Defense Systems and VOL 3 Naval Systems.) They are downloadable to your whatever. For me as I've been saying for a longtime, GALIX is listed as an Auxiliary Weapon (NOT to be confused with Optional Equipment.) for the desert LeClerc with a Daylight/Nighttime Range or 30m - 50m. I will submit it as so for both the UAE and Jordan. I'm sure we left it alone for the STRV-122 but changed it for some others. I'm for instance sure that the RC-10 series is also equipped along with French LeClerc. Happy Hunting!! Regards, Pat :capt: |
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BTR-50s would be fine for protected mobility in the rear areas, like the ex-UK Saxons the Ukranians were gifted. The Ukranians also apparently use the Saxon as an ambulance to take the injured from the initial aid post (in the brigade rear area) up to surgical units at higher level of command.
If anyone really needs them - perhaps put some in the overflow OOB (Red??) for the Russians. Probably only relevant to a scenario designer for "flavour", as who would actually buy one of those past about 1972?. If I'm playing the Soviets in the 60s and 70s, the Egyptians or whatever, I will always thake the BTR-60s as those are fast and have a capable 14.5mm cannon for dealing with "thin tin" APCs and scout cars, whereas the BTR-50 is slooow and usually just has a rifle calibre MG. |
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In the Red OOB they only ran to 2005 but I just changed that to 2025 but for scenario design, all that's needed to get something like that is to simply change the date of the scenario to when they existed then after buying them re-adjust the date forward. There are a lot of uses for them that would not need to involve being right at the front line... arty tractors, munitions carriers.... lots of uses If someone needed one with a turret,use the Polish TOPAS 2AP. That said, if they do start showing up in quantity in Ukraine I can put them in the Russian OOB but for now "borrow" EDIT It occurred to me that a simple solution was available and it was. In this case I got lucky-----The BTR-50s are the ONLY vehicle in the Heavy APC UC in the Russian OOB and the formations that use the BTR-50s only exist during the same time as the units and if there is no formation the game does not offer units for players to buy so it was a simple matter of taking the last BTR-50 and extending the end date to 2025 then building a formation for it from March 2023- Dec 2025 So......... from 01/55-12/78 there are a number of BTR-50 formations and now from March 2023 there are formations that offer them for use in the game again and a unit slot was not used . Now......... if they upgrade them this idea goes out the window but I am betting not |
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As I won't be going to work today (And likely tomorrow as well.) so I can see the :sick: "Good Dr." :sick:, I came across this article which should act as a reminder to all you have to go beyond the "lead/tagline" or else "you might be putting the cart before the horse" if you read the below.
"Over time, Taiwan began to modernize its military and replace older equipment with newer, more advanced systems. As a result, the M60A3 tanks were gradually phased out of service in the early 2000s and replaced by newer main battle tanks, such as the M1A2 Abrams and the CM-11 Brave Tiger. However, some M60A3 tanks are still used for training and ceremonial purposes." Well, that was news to me. Unless with the distraction of the Ukrainian War we snuck them into Taiwan. We didn't the article is about replacing the engines with new ones and the M60A3 is still in operational service. https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...p_engines.html From SIPRI 108 M-1A2 Abrams tank 2019 M-1A2T version; delivery planned 2023-2026. Also, this of many... https://www.janes.com/defence-news/n...n-battle-tanks I don't know where this stands as of now, but I've got to get a handle on this "CRUD" and clear my worklist first. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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The T-62's I'd already posted on about three months ago but had nothing I don't BELIEVE on the BTR-50.
I came across this just a few minutes ago to give credence to the thought they are in Ukraine. But I understand Don's plan. I don't even think the AI would buy them from what I've seen since I started playing this game, outside of its original service dates. https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...r-50_apcs.html UK sending more CHALLENGER 2 tanks to Ukraine. The export version is ready. A nice add on is the discussion comparing it to the T-80BV. I don't know why they just didn't give them 3 more to fill it out to a full Ukrainian tank battalion? https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...o_ukraine.html RELATED... UK Training continues I would expect early April to completed as long as there are no issues. https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...r_2_tanks.html Rheinmetall has finalized their list of what will send the Ukraine these will be near to long before being fully realized. but we have numbers now. https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...ard_tanks.html Is anyone else seeing a pattern developing here with these foreign tanks? What about those T-55S tanks how are they training them? They're being trained as a Battalion to conduct combined operations within a Brigade. All you have to do is like at the numbers of what's coming and already on the web. One Battalion of each for the LEOPARDS and ABRAMS. Just a cautionary tale is all this is. The T-55S training started in NOV 2022 on expect it to be completed by MAR 2023. We should all fully understand why they're not (Or shouldn't. ) going to send a Platoon here or there. If not turn in your SPMBT Club Card and you'll be buying drinks for us all for a year before you get your "Club Card" back, CRAP CINCLANTFLEET just saw this last!!!! :doh: Anyway, since I now have some explaining to do and I'll just blame it on the shots I received in "each cheek" late this afternoon making me feel a little delirious (I experienced a sudden feeling of being in NASA centrifuge. :cool:) that's the plan. ;) After 9pm feeling burnt out so the final TWO words are "Battlefield Logistics" and I shouldn't point out the larger implications of them. We'll just have to see how the "chips fall" with the Ukraine thinking of a tactical withdrawal from Bakhmut this will buy the Ukraine more time and strengthen their lines and if only 1/2 the stories of Russian losses are true it'll take them sometime to regroup. The "Battle of Ukraine" is really being fought at places similar to or there Salisbury Plain, Schweinfurt, École de cavalerie, Field Marshal Rommel Barracks, Augustdorf, Drawsko Pomorskie Training Area and others. . Obviously, those already in the fight are fighting for their country but you have to believe that they also know they are fighting for time until more of those troops in fields far from home can get back home to fight in their own fields. Those are my final words FINALLY besides I got some "xxplaining" to do to CINCLANTHOME about the "club thing" have a good night!! GOT SOME Jeremy Clarkson "FARM 2" to watch. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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A bit off topic for this thread but all the talk about the BTR-50 I took a look at the icon and it dated back to a transition time in how I built Icons so I redid the BTR-50's and OT-62s'
A sample of the new ones at 3x normal https://i.imgur.com/7rHE14O.png |
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No worries.
I meant to add to my last above an update from Oryx, which I just rechecked a couple of minutes ago. Though I noted increases in T-64's and almost all of the captured tanks I submitted in my first submission and other types listed APC's etc., thus far nothing is showing for the BTR-50 at this time. They do their best to update the site very day if they can get to those areas but with the heavy fighting around Bakhmut that might be tough though the Russians have and are suffering heavy armor loses at this time as being heavily reported on. The best quick check help I can offer is to write down and copy the RED breakdown just above the individual categories. Todays... Russia - 9567, of which: destroyed: 6114, damaged: 273, abandoned: 381, captured: 2799 Subgroup Tanks... Tanks (1819, of which destroyed: 1079, damaged: 87, abandoned: 103, captured: 550) AS REMINDER THESE GUYS ARE MORE CONSERVATIVE THAN MANY I'VE SEEN. IF A CERTAIN MOD HAS NO PROBLEM WITH THEM. WELL, YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING... Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Here you have opinions about Leopard 2A4 and 2A6 by Ukrainians itself from times of training opinions of tankers.
https://en.defence-ua.com/events/ukr...ages-6015.html Pakistani T-80UD are seriously considered to be send to Ukraine https://en.defence-ua.com/news/pakis...tion-6030.html Article about Russian T-80BVM which are now produced without important system Sosna-U https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...anks-5849.html More about BTR-50 T-62 etc. archaic vehicles already used on front-linehttps://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...here-5852.html |
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Ukraine is also producting simpliefied tanks
Here about old Soviet Т-72А and T-72M1 modernized in Ukraine to T-72AMT like standard but in reality they are simplified https://mil.in.ua/en/news/ukraine-pr...of-t-72-tanks/ Here Russian new-old T-62 after modernisation https://mil.in.ua/en/news/russia-sho...of-t-62-tanks/ |
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It appears that we have an early look at what those 800 modernized T-62M/MV tanks look like. Improvements include a new ERA Pkg. (Kontact-5(?)), communications, TI (GSR (?) and general overhaul (Mechanical and Electrical.).
I will assume the top picture and bottom show one of the "new" tanks as are clearly T-62's. Why pay for an ARMATA when you can probably but at least 10 or more of these tanks? https://www.armyrecognition.com/ukra...n_ukraine.html Lunch and Work have a good day. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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This isn't about being right or wrong as much as for me at the time it was about the better platform making more sense to me than its predecessor in the combat environment in the Ukraine.
This conversation was had a couple of months back when "everything" was on the table and the Ukraine was getting this or that sooner or later etc. etc. Now I can say that France is indeed sending the Ukraine the much better AMC-10RCR. The article shows a couple pictures showing Ukrainian troops training in them at an undisclosed location in France. Note the comment "overlayed" on the picture at LEFT. https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...d_vehicle.html Still on the mend so off to bed to get ready for "another day at the office" or something like that anyway. ;) EDIT: I ALMOST MADE IT! :doh: Apparently the PT-91 TWARDY has entered service with the Ukrainian Army. https://www.armyrecognition.com/ukra...nian_army.html Obviously CINCLANTHOME has installed the following device on my PC to ensure I'm getting my 8 hrs. down it's easier to just show you... :nono: :tough: :typing: :pc: :fire: :ahh: Going to bed now that was God awful rough!?! I didn't know she knew that much about computers! :D Regards, Pat :capt: |
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As I'm taking some time off from work to recoup and clear my mind, I'm currently building or modifying a tank a day. Thankfully that work is coming to a close so there will hopefully be another submission for the next patch. I'm almost there.
In the meantime, here's some news... Taiwan no real surprise for me here in that every old is still new there. The M60A3 will be getting new engines which apparently has already started to a limited degree. What I did find as a surprise though, I've seen it a couple of times in the past is, here it is again from another different source dated today! From the article... "Moreover, for Taiwan, the M60A3 is not the oldest vehicle, since the Armed Forces of Taiwan also operate the CM-11 Brave Tiger (450 units in service). And this vehicle is a hybrid of the M60 chassis and the turret from the M48 Patton, but with a fire control system from the M1 Abrams. In 2017, it was reported that Taiwan would upgrade all of these machines." FCS from M1 ABRAMS. :shock: I don't believe if China should ever get a foothold in Taiwan that some tanks (Medium-VT-4A) aren't going to be landed. They already operate AMPHIB "tanks" that'll definitely hit the beaches. https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...this-6108.html Pakistan sending them back home? Could be. They are offering to send the Ukraine 40 (Of 315.) T-80UD tanks that the Ukraine built for them initially. They just need "a little help" from some Western partners first. If done, they'll be battle ready. I've stated the Western tanks will be a big help but some of those tanks will be almost a year out from fielding and probably a couple of years out to meet the overall goal of 300 tanks sent from all nations. We must face the reality that their tanks and Soviet era tanks along with the 100"s of more "modern" captured Russian tanks will remain the "backbone" of the Ukrainian Armor for the foreseeable future. https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...ssistance.html DENMARK I'll believe it when I see it. That being said I feel mid to late Summer is more likely to occur after reviewing several open-source documents and pictures of these tanks-what a mess!! One example cited several times is that most of the engines haven't been turned over in ten years or more!!! Complete overhaul if lucky at best or full replacement at worst. I purpose we use the best model possible and leave at that. Thus far what that means to me is that the Leopard 1A5DK is the one to fit the bill. First so far it'll be the most numerous versions of the type to be sent. But more importantly is Second is that Denmark (Here we go again with a SPEC built tank.) had increased the protection of these tanks against HEAT and AT weapons beyond the German version. I haven't had the chance to 1. Verify that this was entered as such for the 1A5DK. 2. Is the latest German version been so modernized? But those are our only viable options as I see it now. https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...he_spring.html Sweden Well more ARCHERs to come but only 10 STRV-122 tanks which =2/4 tank platoons in the Ukrainian Army with 1 spare each. I've had to modify these tanks for Sweden based on newer information gathered. It's done and just checking my notes they require just one change. I've from an earlier Post w/? , I've identified the export version as well. But unlike most including for instance the LEOPARD 2A6 where to minimize the headaches we as above can choose to pick the "best one" or one in the "middle" with the STRV-122 it's all in by itself, and here we go again it was SPEC built and better than the German version and folks that's in all the refs. Besides 50 CV90's is a DAM good deal. https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...122_tanks.html A little tired right now, the rest can wait. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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This article may be intresting because is about a stokpiles of old military tanks and vehicles which Russia may potentially use on frontline:
https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...ocks-6117.html T-55 in variant T-55M5 ZSU-57-2 which were still formally in service in 2010 ASU-85 are still in storage And this article is an analisys of devices found inside T-90M Proryv https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...tion-6086.html "Tractor Trops" again in use after Kiev defense now 2023 https://en.defence-ua.com/analysis/w...oops-6094.html T-62 become more&more common Russian tank on frontlines https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...sing-6118.html |
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THIS IS A TEST/THIS IS A TEST
Something I'm working on, WANT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS, ARE ALL THREE REFERENCES WORKING/ARE THEY COMING UP PROPERLY? PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHICH IF ANY ISN'T WORKING. HOPING FOR AROUND 10 RESPONCES OR SO COVER OS's ETC. UAE (GULF STATES)/ADD/LeClerc AZUR/START 2012/COPY REVISED UNIT 028/ADD/ROW MG XXX/ERA HS 15 HR 10 TS 15 TR 12 TOP 10/SLAT ARMOR ENGINE COMPARTMENT SIDES. // http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product3496.html Army Guide (army-guide.com) Army Guide (army-guide.com) Regards, Pat :capt: |
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For me only #1 works. Looks like a recent Win10 update reconfigured my WORD 13 "Paste Options".
Will take results. THANKS! Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Only the 1st one is showing as a link
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Same... only the first one
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Same ... ONLY the first link works.
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THANK YOU ALL FOR ANSWERING! WON'T NEED ANYMORE THANK YOU.
Just confirms last update moved/repositioned my Paste options. A word (Similar to a bird's name. ;)) comes to mind right now :D for those MS guys. Pumped out some work I just finished this will be my most productive year since around the 2018/2019 Campaign. This makes Don always very happy when I participate. :cool: All I will say is there will be some tanks from another part of the world. Gotta get some sleep. Have a good day! Thanks Again! Regards, Pat :capt: |
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During deliveries of Leopard 2 Ukrainians also recived an Enginering repairing vehicles here is that in this articles:
Bergepanzer 2 & NM189 Ingeniørpanservogn from Norway https://mil.in.ua/en/news/norway-del...es-to-ukraine/ https://mil.in.ua/en/news/norway-del...es-to-ukraine/ https://en.defence-ua.com/news/ukrai...rway-6132.html Canada's Bergepanzer 3 https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...sive-6124.html They also have some big robotic Mine clearing vehicles like Croatian MV-4/MV-10 https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...tems-6123.html Slovakia Bozena 5 https://defence-ua.com/army_and_war/...iali-6143.html Russia has also Uran-6 which is an copy of Croatian MV-4 https://en.defence-ua.com/news/russi...mine-4379.html |
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How it all works:
Ukraine: DOD trying to get M1A1 ABRAMS to Ukraine sometime in the Fall. I had already provided "numbers" in a Post I believe in this Thread for the Export version. I can already foresee some people saying "Oh they're coming straight out of USA/USMC stocks. Well, I've had this armor discussion several times out here and I don't intend to do so again-this time because I have General who'll do it for me. From the ref... "On March 21, the U.S. Defense Department published that, in January 2023, 31 M1A2 Abrams tanks would be delivered to Ukraine, but officials had speculated it would take about a year to make that happen. Now, they say, the U.S. will instead send M1A1 Abrams tanks from refurbished hulls already in U.S. inventory, and the delivery will be in the fall — faster than what was initially expected. C. Todd Lopez reports." "Since we've made this announcement, we've been committed to exploring options to deliver the armored capability as quickly as possible," Pentagon Press Secretary Air Force Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder said during a briefing today. " "In January, the initial plan was that the United States would use funds from the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative to procure new tanks from the manufacturer. Now, Ryder said, excess hulls already in U.S. inventory will instead be refurbished and refitted to create M1A1 Abrams main battle tanks that can be sent to Ukraine more quickly in order to meet their needs." https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...fall_2023.html No, DU Armor plain and simple. I think in my first submission concerning the removal of TROPHY from USMC tanks a couple of the refs showed the first stop they made after a depot in California to start the "stripping" down process they all go to the Lima Tank Depot in Ohio. Some of what you're about to see I've already spoken of starting with the first. In the context of time ... "And the development of tanks for Ukraine would also have to be squeezed in between the current contracts for foreign sales, which include 250 of the newest versions for Poland and about 75 for Australia." These are built in game last year M1A2PL, M1A2T and sorry to say we won't see the Australian one until around 2028. That is "Army Secretary Christine Wormuth..." "As she walked the production lanes in the 25-acre building, Wormuth got to see the newest version of the Abrams as it is transformed from an empty steel hull into a shiny, newly painted tank — a process that takes 18 to 24 months. The U.S. doesn't build new tanks from scratch. It has a fleet of about 2,500 Abrams, and takes older tanks, tears them down and uses the empty hull as a starting point to build a new one. Some hulls have been refurbished multiple times." I have used the term many times from Army sources called "RESET". https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...in-ukraine-war As you will see if you take the time to read this WHOLE article which not only talks about DU Armor but also other Classified Armor Packages which you can easily infer to other countries that export advanced tanks concerning their own classified armor packages as well. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...end-to-ukraine (FROM JAN 25, 2023 1:10 PM) Had a very busy morning and I'm sure I have at least 1 email waiting on me. :D Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Russians are now supposedly removing T-54/55 from Siberian depots. A train has been seen with them.
Funny thing is...they declared or said that all the T-55/54 were scrapped about 20 years ago... So possibility of seeing T-54 Obr.2023 :eek: |
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Maybe they will buy North Korean tanks, so we can finally see the clash of North vs South Korean armor. On the steppes of Europe.
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This refurbished T-55 already exists and was propsed some time ago is know as T-55M5
https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...ocks-6117.html https://en.defence-ua.com/media/cont...2efd88197.jpeg here about this transported T-55 https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...aine-6156.html And here about other "modernized" MBT T-62M https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...ious-6160.html List of this all Dad's army equipment spoted so far https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2023/0...sian-army.html |
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There is absolutely NO WAY to know what it is they are going to pull out of storage and we could go round and round speculating and it's only good for wasting time. I am still playing " wait and see " and I am NOT committing to anything but the last "top of the line" T-55 version and that all could change in an instant.
It won't get really interesting until they commit the Cossack cavalry. Nothing like a good old sabre charge to signal you've hit rock bottom I see a few more of Putins "allies" have been found dead. Guessing nobody who said this was a great idea and it will all be over in a week or two are still breathing Karma....... |
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This is a short movie 5min from 2008 movie called Admiral. Here we can see how rock buttom looks like during Civil war. Now this is sad when we think how this human wave strategy is used 100 years after this events ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWPbLTSD01o Between actually situation and rock bottom are still Ceremonial T-34 & Su-100 https://en.defence-ua.com/media/cont...9a6cb50b7c.jpg https://defence-ua.com/media/content...b0d7e243fa.jpg IS-3 & T10 from museums https://defence-ua.com/media/illustr...b0398ca8cb.jpg But propably you have right actual Russia is doomed like White army hundreds years ago whatever museum equipment they will take out from storages. |
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It's not really clear to me ( eyes are not what they once were.......)but does that T-55 show advanced ERA panels in the front armour ? Found this quote Quote:
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In short, I believe an armor application doesn't look standard ERA type it seems "too flat" but I certainly can see the lines of tiles on this tank I'm thinking applique armor tiles.
Did some further digging, Look at the following under Protection. https://weaponsystems.net/system/630-T-55 (All steel.) https://weaponsystems.net/system/631-T-55AM (First mention-Steel plus applique armor) https://weaponsystems.net/system/632-T-55AMV (Armor type Steel plus ERA, rubber skirts ERA Kontakt-1 on glacis, hull sides and turret) So based on the above, the T-55 posted is certainly a T-55AM tank. As the above T-55AMV will show all variants listed with that tank had the same additional armor as I listed under the entry in the ( ) . Regards, Pat :capt: |
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T-55M5 has an reactive armour on front look on this photos
https://www.militaryimages.net/media/t-55m5.32045/ This tank was in reality prepared by Russian tanks industry in 2001 for Third World users of T-55 and never intended for their army but now when they use whatever they can is possible that also such T-55 will be used on frontline. https://karopka.ru/community/user/9858/?MODEL=289594 https://karopka.ru/upload/resize_cac...1347099509.jpg |
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Alight T-55M in upgraded version of the T-55AMV. See the below and scroll down the Variants section and see what it says about the BOTH above.
http://www.military-today.com/tanks/t55.htm Never mind I'll do it. "T-55AMV fitted with add-on explosive reactive armor and new fire control system. It is capable of launching anti-tank guided missiles in the same manner as ordinary projectiles. The missile has a range of 4 000 m at daytime and 1 200 m at night. It penetrates 550 mm of rolled homogenous armor. It entered service in 1985. T-55M upgraded version fitted with add-on composite armor and rubber side skirts. The gun is fitted with a thermal sleeve. This tank entered service in 1983. " That means Russian. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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This T-55M5&T-55M6 are actually a ultimate retrofiting of old T-55 here acording to Tank Encyklopedia
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I use that source as well and it's a good one. I would suggest you count the road wheels from the pictures you originally submitted.
I'm counting six road wheels unless I'm missing something here that would make this tank the T-55M6. I'm referring to your Posts 1581 & 1584 "T-55M6 The latest upgrade, both for the Russian army and export, includes a longer chassis with six roadwheels per side, a completely overhauled turret with the 2A46M 125 mm (4.92 in) main gun and autoloader from the T-72B, V-46-5M engine and protection upgraded to the T-80U level. As an option, it could receive the 1A40-1 fire control system and ATGM system 9K120 “Svir” (from the T-72B), or A42 and 9K119 “Refleks” (from the T-80U)." T-55M6 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJdFzggX7qA (Sure, looks like your tank from those posts mentioned just above.) Seen a couple of sites indicate it has a turret off a T-72 and this is very possible note the extended rear turret and bustle and the fact it's also different from the T-55M5 picture you have in Post 1586. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Looks like 6 to me as well but how many they might have of these built and what exactly might end up in Ukraine is, at this time, nothing but speculation but sometimes that is all we have and right now this is my best WAG for each
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Just found that also Ukraine is a country which developed his own retrofited T-55 for export market in third world. T-55AGM is possible that they will also like Russia in some time will produce them for themselfs. Even if now they are only prototypes
https://merkutglobal.com/wp-content/...M-1200x683.jpg https://www.the-blueprints.com/bluep...5agm-80074.jpg https://en.topwar.ru/1281-varianty-m...anka-t-55.html |
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German Leopard 2 tanks have reached Ukraine
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About the Ukraine's tank factory, as I already reported that got blown up around the 2nd of March.
https://morozov.com.ua/en/bronetanko...i-vooruzhenie/ (I used this extensively when I stated on the OPLOT-M and other tank related purposes. So, if anyone gets through, please let me know been trying since 2 weeks into the war to connect.) https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...h=1072a3a65d31 https://www.fpri.org/article/2022/09...of-a-long-war/ https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/a-steel...nomy-1.6330432 (Sounds like the Germans in WWII.) This again is why those Russian captured tanks have been so important as it pertains to the above. I saw that about that concerning the T-34/85 might as well bring back their SU-100 tanks they apparently have a large supply of also. Russia has about a 4:1 manpower advantage over the Ukraine. In ignoring the above but allowing for the T-54/T-55 and T-62 it won't be an advantage that'll be long lived. I have other news: Czech Republic- Are wrapping up accelerated Operational testing of the about 4 LEOPARD 2A4 tanks they have to date. Based on delivery dates currently and with Operational Unit training yet to come they should reach FOC by late this year or I would think no later than JAN 2024. https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe..._adoption.html Turkey -How long have I been tracking this next tank, I'm thinking almost as long as the ARJUN with one big difference the ARJUN got fielded. In the submission just posted yesterday I talked about the delays with the South Korean K2 and K2 PIP (Which doesn't look good either.) in this case it's what accelerated the production of the K1A2 by 3 years (Completed Production by DEC 2023) . The first 2 above as per the write up, occurred twice in 2014 and 2018 with engine and transmission failures. They shared the same fate that has plagued the ALTAY first with the loss of the German/Austrian Powerpack (Engine and Transmission etc.) with a period of stagnation as they had to design from scratch their own Powerpack and I'm on record as saying they wouldn't succeed in getting there with a 1500hp System and they didn't. South Korea having fixed their issues and with an ever more hostile Russia, Turkey turned to the South Korea to supply the Powerpack, I know I posted this, and I believe the contracts got signed this past DEC. That's the Basic Background story. So, here's the current situation... For the second or third time Turkey has just received the first 2 tanks to start Operational Tests. "the first Turkish-made New Altay Main Battle Tanks (MBTs) will be delivered to the Turkish Armed Forces on April 23, 2023. " "Between April and December 2022, tests were carried out with the power group supplied from Korea and found to be successful." "The Turkish army aims to complete the tests by 2024." "Following the completion of the tests in 2025, mass-produced tanks with the Korean power group are expected to enter the Turkish armed force's military inventory." https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...eld_tests.html (Will have to make some changes to it in at least FCS and maybe minor Armor adjustments as well.) And I got my answer from this article, I've been tracking this tank for 15 years and it looks like I have a few more years to go. Oh, lucky me!!!! :D UK/Ukraine - MOD reporting the Ukrainian CHALLENGER 2 crews have completed training on the tanks, further those crews just very recently got back home. Our tank is ready to go (CHALLENGER 2 EXPORT) but the UK is still prepping them and we all know why now-hopefully. If they conduct combined operations like they did with the T-55S it might be mid-Summer before their assigned unit becomes operational based on what we know of the T-55S unit training cycle of LATE NOV 2022 - MAR 2023. https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...ing_in_uk.html Our "NOW" is unfortunately is not the Ukraine's "NOW". Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Ukrainians consider reinforced their Lepoards 2A4 with ERA blocks and made themem more like 2A5
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I guess I will build a new icon......... and make a few adjustments to the armour rating Pat...... get out your crystal ball...:D THIS is why I was in no hurry to get the upgrade out the door in March I have no doubt the 1a5's will get a similar treatment |
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Yep....... and if the Ukrainians are putting Kontakt on the Leo 2A4's I am betting it's going on the Abrams, Challengers and Leo 1a5's as well so for now that's how the OOB's are set up
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As to my crystal ball-I'm sticking to Mid-Summer early Fall I still have to relied on what we know of the T-55S integration/combined ops training they underwent which was well documented and submitted with my T-55S submission as well.
All the training also well documented mention they are being trained on our equipment for Combined Operations. This isn't any longer the Ukrainian Army of less then 5 years ago. It's the Ukrainian Army based on NATO Combined Army Doctrine. I also am sure what we'll see in RL to GREATLY simplify logistics is the formation of Battalions based on the source of equipment. And this has already been discussed on the web as the plan. One Battalion each made up separately of German (All LEOPARDS.)/British and American assets. EVERY country has committed to large stocks of spare parts for all the combat vehicles being sent. A very basic analogy is this you have a combat unit that can ONLY eat meat and another that can ONLY eat fish. But somehow, they get the opposite food, the result is you STARVE THEM until you fix the problem or they DIE if you can't. As I made no adjustments to the ERA for the export tanks submitted (Because they didn't have ERA anyway TO START WITH.) I built, you should have to only add the ERA numbers to them which, we already have the numbers for, i.e., we know the values for say Kontact-5 etc. as they already exist in the game. As you indicated there was no problem with the EXPORT TANKS submitted again, just add the ERA. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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