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Re: Conceptual Balance Series (Mod)
I kind of wondered too. I don't see any reason to nerf their strength, but boosting the cost to 2 gems seems fair.
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I think he boosted their prot since big vines are basically like bark and bark has prot of 10. As for the increased defence, I don't know. Not like it makes a heck of a lot of difference.
Finally, I totally agree that a cost of 2 gems would help balance them out. *or* We could simply mod casters to be more expensive ( as Saber Cherry was talking about ), perhaps x2 or x3 as expensive. That way mage turns would be far more precious and the cost would be balanced at 1 gem. |
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In any case, I'd almost always want 10 vine ogres (good strength, HP, attack, need-not-eat, 2 attacks, poison-immune, no upkeep, no magical leadership, no morale failure) rather than 5 nature gems. You don't have to use them for swamping SCs, because you can use them to swamp many other things, considering they only need research-3 (and cons-4, for thistle mace). They are great as garrisons or bodyguards, needing no food, upkeep, or special leadership. They have better strategic mobility than undead (IMO), with 2 moves and forest survival. They cannot effectively be trampled. Best of all, cheap, common Druids can summon them (with thistle maces and ivy crowns, both of which Druids can make). Overall... they rock! And they're the only good low-level summon outside of Death and Blood. |
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Graeme,
I'm not convinced by your arguments : Nature *has* some good spells, sure, but that does not make green gems more valuable than the others. IMHO they are often pretty much useless unless you play a nature-oriented nation, which is not the case with Astral, Earth, Death or Fire gems. The only less useful gems are Water... As for Vine Ogres being inferior to Lamias, true again, but Ogres are a lesser summon and rather make better damage-absorbers than Lamias. Lamias require a higher level to cast effectively, Vine stuff having easy "improving" items. Eventually I don't think Ogres need a boost - or rather all other low level summons require a much more serious boost ! |
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