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Ah, I understand. Thank you.
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After having the AI play a turn for me, I now find that I have a recurring problem: some of the AI-created ship designs simply won't go away! I obsolete them one turn, upload the turn, and next turn, they're un-obsoleted! What gives?
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Yes, if you upload your game turn twice to PBW (thinking the first one didn't go for some reason), it will hold the second one. I'm VERY careful when uploading.
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What do you mean by 'hold'?
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Let me set the scenario: KOTH turn; game is waiting for you, you go to the site and upload your turn: Sometimes, the upload goes slow. Then, you might be thinking it isn't working, so you click "upload" again. Well, the first one uploaded alright (and the game executed but it didn't refresh the page yet) and then, the second upload goes right in. But, usually, you exit the site and go look at your turn. IF your KOTH opponent THEN uploads his turn, the game is satisfied and executes right away (because of the "double upload" you did). |
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Turn 51 for me and Dav and I am still holding fast to first place. I haven't slipped from 1st since the game began. I control much of the map and it looks like it will stay that way. Only battle so far is I wiped out on of his colonies in a shared system. The fighting will continue soon I am sure though.
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Top of the Hill Game
Primitive (Primitive Horde) vs. BBegemott (Mokulioni-2000 Empire) Tesco Map; 3 planet start; other settings-default Turn 2402.7 We both included Ancient Race in ours empire. I had better starting conditions (two smalls and one huge breatheble in one of my homesystem). I was able to box him in sending my first 2 escorts to block the key warps, thus limitting his expansion and leaving 5 systems to his control (The galaxy consists of 23 systems). Bad thing about this is that all planetless systems are in my side. The good thing is that I have aproximately twice as many colonies as my opponent. Despite of that Primitive was able to hold the 1st place for the Last 3 turns. The game start was clearly in my favour (at least I thought so). However Primitive had different opinion... The Last turn Primitive Horde fleet of 10 light carriers warps through one of the critical warps. It was protected with small garison of missile ships and 45 mines. (The minelayer ran out of mines the turn before http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif ) That's funny. Primitive had exactly 45 minesweepers to sweep them out http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif and after destroying my warpsitters has open way (I hope he thinks so http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif ) into my territory... The things are starting to heat up. [ October 02, 2003, 16:40: Message edited by: BBegemott ] |
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No matter what the outcome in Phoenix-D/Grandpakim galaxy, it will be a long and bloody struggle.
After many years of suffering at the hands of the bloated Cluk Ruk fleets the people are fearful and despondent. Despite the enormous success of the latest ship design, the people are not yet convinced and fear another setback and shrinking of the domain. Military experts have other opinions.... |
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Has anyone heard anything from Alneyan?
He has with-drawn from our KOTH game at about turn 15 and we hadn't even met. |
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I'm still under the hill somewhere. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif
I hope I get a better start this time, and that Alneyan will be back sometime... |
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Dundas Rednecks vs Sparhawks Empire
In the year of our Lord Two Thousand Four Hunderd and Three and Seven months the Lord looketh down upon his creation and he saw that it was good. He called upon his humble servent Grand Lord Kazarp to deliver the Holy Religous Talisman. Kazarp: "How does it work Oh Lord" Lord: "First shalt thou shall press the Holy Button, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shalt be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thyn weapons towards thyn enemy and blow him to little bits" Kazarp: "Oh thank you Lord" |
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The Primitive Horde surrenders to Dreamer BBegemott at turn 43
The brilliant opening strategy of the Horde should probably be eligible for a Darwin award http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif Even with the help of taking Ancient, I got myself blocked into 5 systems by 2 missile frigates. I threw everything I could manage to scrape up from those 5 systems into 2 breakout attemts. Both had some initial success but ended prematurely before some real damage could been done to BB's empire. Kudos to BBegemott who played a perfect game. Choosing the right strategies and excecuting it with style. Asmala: Put BB in the que for Kingship, and me down at the bottom again. |
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Phoenix-D vs Grandpakim Turn 111
Without doubt, this is the most exciting game I've ever been in! Turn 111 and the end is nowhere in sight. In the southeast, the position has solidified at the Gergan choke. When this opens up, it will no doubt be explosive. The complex of systems in the northwest is another matter. We are intertwined, controlling oddly different systems. I still tenaciously hold the crossroads system of Yukra, P-D controls Tudran, another crossroad immediately north. Beyond Tudran, P-D has colonized Narcisston, a former system of mine. Using my most celebrated fleet -- the people tell "legends" of this fleet-- I have cut access at the Tudran/Narcisston warp point. How will he respond? Immediately south of Yukra, a second fleet holds the warp point in Bizzet and threatens several colonies. Only the massive build up at Bizzet VIII, only two sectors away, stays my hand. The tension here is palpable and cannot Last long. Who will move first? What has made this game most interesting is our radically different empire designs. While I feel like a pensioner on a fixed income, P-D must be wondering just how many ships he needs to take out one of mine. Damn this is fun! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Note to Phoenix-D: PBW was kinda flaky when I uploaded, and now appears to be down. If my upload didn't take and the AI plays the turn, I'll be asking for a redo. Is this okay with you? |
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It'll be fine..I get to watch the pretty colors again then. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
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Parabolize V Joachim
Turn 46 I have surrendered - well I would have had my bunker on my home world survived.... We started just two systems away. I had just one breathable that was not in his systems, and when that one went I just had no economy to fight off the destroyer hordes. Thanks heaps for the game and your amazingly good game turn rate. Slynky, give Parabolize the rating points. Asmala, please asign me a game in the mud! |
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Sparhawks Empire vs Dundas Rednecks
Ensign: sire we have seen a bright light, just a few systems away. Commander: Probable a star going supernova, nothing to worry about. Ensign: But sire...we also heard singing and beautiful music. Commander: mmm that weird.....???, set a course for that system. Ensign: Yes sire. |
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Phoenix-D vs Grandpakim Turn 120
As you might have guessed from my previous post, the stalemate in Bizzet was resolved. Grandpakim got a little too nervous when he saw my buildup, despite the fact that his ships had soundly defeated my superior designs a few turns before. His ships have no shields and only stealth/scattering armor; a single hit and they're doomed- the stealth armor goes and its all downhill from there. Fortunately, most of the time my battleships couldn't connect. Unfortuntely, he didn't realize that massive buildup was sitting over a ship/fleet training center. Had he gone full bore at me, I would have at the least been sweating bullets. As it is, the lull allowed me to concentrate and train my ships. After destroying his fleet on the warp point soundly, I moved in Yukra and burned it down around his ears. Meanwhile, he attacked in Narcisston, and captured one of my colonies, destryoing another. This turn, I snuck in and destroyed the captured colony before he could make use of it, beating his transport there. Our ships haven't fought directly since the Bizzet warp point battle. Another conforntation is looming in the Tudan/Narcisston area though- his fleet is returning hot on the heels of my raiding force. [ October 07, 2003, 05:07: Message edited by: Phoenix-D ] |
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To give you an idea of how nasty this game has been, this is my total losses by ship size, counting only designs that are new enough not to be deleted:
DDs: 9 LCs: 173 CRs: 42 BCs: 66 BBs: 18 STs: 4 |
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Phoenix-D vs Grandpakim Final turn
My empire is an empty shell and I have conceded to Phoenix-D. His huge fighting force finally defeated the Last of my more skilled navy and sent half my planets into riots. I bow to a great player. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Now, Asmala who's my next victim.. er... master... Yup, send me to the slime and give my another opponent. |
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You bow to a lucky player. I got a look at the map, and given our starting positions it took a lot of hang on as long as you did.
Grandpakim's start was in a corner, with one warp point..which led into a nebula. |
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Well, I won't use that as an excuse this time. At contact, I controlled slightly more than half the map and managed to hold you off well enough till I got the economy rolling as best I could. I thought I played rather well but in hindsight I can see I was too timid and my anticipation of your next move was lagging. I was reactive not proactive.
During the game it seemed to me you were too timid but I think that is just the nature of the game. I can see all my weaknesses (as you can see yours) and wonder why you don't exploit them. Of course, you must anticipate the nastiest defenses, you just can't take the chance! As it turned out,, you could have had me cheap anytime before turn 70! Hmm, not sure that came out right. What I'm trying to say is sometimes we must take bold risks, and I for one, seem to be chicken in that department. That's gonna change! Watch out for the Kamikaze Grandpa! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif |
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Oh, I took risks, just the wrong ones. Or are you forgetting how many fleets I lost to that damned sat defense field of yours in the SE?
If you had just waited one more turn, I could have had my vengance, too. |
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Congrats Phoenix, I look forward to meeting you next.
I find it terribly interesting that this will be my 16th Koth game and as far as i can rememebr I have yet to play anyone twice. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif |
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heh Koth gang,
I just want to publicly acknowledge Primitive's sportsmanship and generousity in our Koth game. We have just started and Primitive took ancient race. He realised that I took Ice Methane and that I am basically screwed - so instead of a slaughter he offered a restart. Which I have taken up. BTW, I thought the atmospheres/planet type were balanced or am I confusing that with FQM? Thanks again Primitive, it is your sort of decent play that makes Koth and PBW so good. Joachim |
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There is a mathematical formular somewhere here on Shrapnel that tells which combo has a higher nubmer of planets. From what I remember Ice Meathane was the clear loser.
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I don't recall the exact formulas, but it goes something like this: (This only applies for the stock game)
The planets type/atmospheres are not "balanced" for each map, but they are random. Because of a mistake in teh sector type file Methane ice has one less selection then teh others and so averaged out over the entire quadrant, and over several maps they will tend to be slightly less frequent in total numbers. The other rock and ice planets of all atmoshpere types have an equal chance of being used. Gas giants are significantly less frequent, but this fact is compensated for at least partially by the fact that gas giants are larger on average and thus have more facility spots. None atmosphere are more frequent because of the fact that all moons are but this fact is partially compensated for by the fact that all moons are tiny and so have fewer facility spots. In the end though it really does not matter which planet type/atmosphere is more common on average for all maps. It only matters which type is more frequent on your map, and in the general vicinity of you homeworld. That is random with only small probability variances between types so trying to base your empire selection on those variances is useless. Play what you like or want to and roll the dice, keeping a couple things in mind. If your play style prefers many small planets spread out all over, don't choose gas giant. If you prefer fewer planets that are larger and thus more defended consider takeing gas giant. |
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here is a link
[url=http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=23;t=005074#000000]http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=23;t=005074#000000[/ URL] Ok so maybe Ice Methane does suck. [ October 09, 2003, 11:09: Message edited by: DavidG ] |
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The default KOTH map is small spiral isn't it? Does the choice of quadrant type affect the planet type ratio?
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Stop it guys, you are making me all mushy.
For the game VS Joachim; I just saved myself 60 turns of boredom, and since it’s a bottom of the hill game, I really don’t risk much. Don’t believe for a second I would have done that near the top http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif And for our full tech game Slynky. You did not heed my advise and crushed me anyway, so the advise might have been of dubious quality http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Then something different but related: Ancient race and KOTH For my Last 2 games I have chosen Ancient tech, something which seems to be quite the fad in KOTH games. It seems well worth the points, and when winning is important it is stupid not to take it. But I have one comment: Its Booooooorrriiiiing. Gone is the apprehension of guessing where your opponent is located. Gone is the trepidation of sending a colonizer/explorer on a one way trip, not knowing if it will reach a suitable planet before it runs out of gas. Gone are the .....fun. So, for all my future KOTH games, I will suggest a no Ancient tech rule. |
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Ahhh, the Primitive one...always having to choose between being bored boring or winning... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif .
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K.O.T.H. Gecko (Andromedam Invaders) vs Parabolize (Banana Republic)
KOTH Wins/Losses: Gecko 3/5 and Parabolize 2/1 KOTH Defaults + No Intel Tesco Samoa Map SE4 Ratings Game Game Date: 2403.3 First Contact The first place score has bounced back and forth between Leader Gecko and Evil Person Parabolize. The empires are closely matched in regards to setup, with Parabolize putting more weight on Characteristics and Gecko placing a greater emphasis on Advanced Traits. The shooting has not yet begun… |
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Gecko v Parabolize
turn: 59 i surrender to Gecko. i was pushed into my corner and could never get out. Gecko had a cool race but i am lost as to why he had his aggressiveness and defensiveness set at what they were. Put me back at the bottom of the hill. |
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I have conceded.
Asmala, please make RexTorres the new king and remove me from the hill. I am taking a break from KOTH. The King is dead, long live the King. |
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