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If bored go to Page 11 Post 106 and continue to about Page 16 midway through when the North Korean tank issue(s) of the day were discussed back in March 2011.
Those were the days!?! We also had a similar "road wheel" discussion as well for the NK "PO" tank plus more. We also had a resident expert in MARCELLO we at times crossed :fight: however, through a couple of PM's I can assure you we both had a mutual respect for each other's work and it was much appreciated by us both. So, to MARCELLO wherever you are I'm raising a glass to you :cheers: to say your missed but not forgotten. See I can be nice maybe once in awhile.!?! :D It's late so have a good night. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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I went to check one of my sites I use and across something concerning the
Israeli PEREH based on the refs. below it would suggest the following... ISRAEL/CHANGE/PEREH/UNIT 690/END/DEC 2017/VICE/DEC 2025// We've known for some time now they've been using other platforms NLOS operations and given those Magach 5 tank chassis came into service using our UNIT 025 START DATE JAN 1978 END DEC 1993 they would've been in operational service for 39 years. They had to have become a "logistical nightmare" to maintain. That's probably why the Israelis "declassified" them in I believe it was DEC 2015. https://weaponsystems.net/system/79-Pereh https://tankandafvnews.com/2017/02/2...-carrier-tank/ Also, CHALLENGER 3 has a confirmed impressive record. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...9aa4c25d6&ei=7 Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Sorry, as I still had it up and staring me in the face with fashionable "Blue" highlight UNIT 024 Mag'ach 5 which was used for the
My Lt. made me take day last Thur. now my Dr. has me taking off the next 3 days until Fri. Seems since the Union (Our Health and some benefits.) decided mid-March that ALL retired military transitioning to MEDICARE A & B and TRICARE For Life (TFL) at 65 can't drop the Health Ins. as it doesn't meet MEDICARE requirements. In short, they are wrong, and my Congressman and Senator are currently working the U.S. Dept. of Justice (DOJ) & Labor (DOL) and Military agencies based on my research etc. etc. 3-4 times week after work until 4-5am turning going to work with only 1.5 weekends off since this started. Now the payment is due a few days of rest is in order and yes it was worth it because this likely affects 100's of us in the near to long term (Within 10 years). In my shift alone out of 10 guards we have 2 veterans and 7 retired. They pissed off the wrong person and metaphorically speaking I hope they "choke" on all the .mil/.gov, 10 U.S.C Chapters 55 & 56 Sec. 1078 and 32 Title Sec. 199 and 199.8 yeah it got that far. This should serve as a warning to some, make sure you can drop your Health plan before going on TLF. In a VERY UNSARCASTIC MANNER, now you know what's been keeping me up at night. Anyway, thank you letting me vent and allowing to get this word out as we have many Retired VETs out here. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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If for only the pictures this might have some value. Also, you'll note the M1 pictures were digitally altered to protect the location.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...087292ef&ei=19 This insane; 2330 here and I'm going to bed!?! :eek: Regards, Pat :capt: |
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I can add something like that but it does tend to make things all look the same more or less and the only way around that is a more minimalist approach otherwise it's too cluttered and just looks a mess
https://forum.shrapnelgames.com/atta...1&d=1718210855 or https://forum.shrapnelgames.com/atta...1&d=1718212034 The article does say this is more common and I did find other photos but HOW common is the question https://www.twz.com/uploads/2024/05/...=70&width=1440 There does seem to be a few photos but all of the same tank The other issue is these cages are there to stop the type of drone attacks the game does not cover currently. We could treat them like the other cage armour and give them a top HEAT protection of 35 I suppose but the game is not set up to handle drone operators dropping hand-grenades in open hatches Nice to see the reactive armour we guessed would be applied was.... |
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Yeah, the article did say it was meant to give some degree of protection against FPV drones.
The Icons look really good. The "Doc" called, and the labs came back "negative" for any internal organ damage. Though they also showed I was still slightly dehydrated. The long hours, stress over the last couple of months on top of the job wearing that "heavy T-shirt" under my BDU blouse ain't helping any in this weather. So, a Body Armour (Hydration drink) x 5 bottles of water just for work All day before prep, before work prep (Hydration.) and it caused me to lose 1 sick day last week and 3 this week. :doh: Bottom line as the "Doc" says they're seeing more of this in the last couple of years. I got an "A" for what I do however, as she explained to me it goes beyond monitoring your urine color. I felt a little off and that was that until last Sunday when I lost all control because it elevated my Glucose levels. I'll just end with I ABSOULUTLY had no idea how much fluid the Bladder can hold when it hit wherever I was at I literally watched myself dehydrate. And I got an "A" can't imagine what a "B" would look like, I guess I'd be in the Bathroom ALL DAY. :eek: DRINK MORE & MORE. The good news here is we're already on pace to make it 3 in a row as the hottest Summer in the S.E. and the World. I'm so glad to be a part of all that however I only have 2 workdays this week ending with my 7.5 miles on Sat. I'm so thrilled!! :rolleyes: Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Well, the last of the former USMC M1A1 FEP tanks are on those railroad cars heading into Norfolk, Va. and should be already crossing the Atlantic to Poland.
Those and also the export version of the M1A2 SEPv3 we built last year. As Poland is in pretty good financial shape, I wonder if they'll be adding an APS system on them in the near future. https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...efense-upgrade Well back to it later this afternoon! Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Australia: Again tanks are rolling to an embarkation port (Norfolk as I don't think they'll trans-ship these across the U.S. by rail.) this time it's the M1A2 SEP V3 with this first batch numbering 27 Units which is 4 shy of the 31 M1A1 tanks they operate now.
IOC is to occur in 2025, I feel since their new trainers are already on the way home if not there already. If so and with the years they've been operating the ABRAMS and knowing some of the training simulators are in country (Remember I do get their official Army Times "paper".), I feel the "swag" in this case for ONLY the reasons just stated I feel a START JAN 2025 would again in this case be warranted. If Australia does transfer the M1A1 to the Ukraine, it'll have no game impact. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...b3f91571&ei=10 Again, glad we prepped all those export tanks last time around and updated some others that the Ukraine got. I like it when the "RL/RW" SUPPORTS THE WORK WE DO HERE. Please tell me we not planning in putting these into the game. I can see the AI buying these (Well not mine it's smarter than that-I hope!) that'd be a waste of resources. The second ref. says it was a drone that took it out in the first place. :doh: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...d=BingNewsSerp https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...d=BingNewsSerp Regards, Pat :capt: |
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To get you a quick response, I don't think the M1A1 tanks are going anywhere until Australia receives all their M1A2 SEP V3 Export versions.
The Ukraine issue is all just supposition and after the Ukraine blow them off concerning their offer to get the current attack helicopters several months back, I don't see the Aussies in being in any hurry to offer up the M1A1's anytime soon and if they do it'll be 2+ years before that happens. I'm still sticking by my START recommendation for the M1A2 SEP V3 Export after further complementation again, for the reasons given in my last post. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Just because we won't see it doesn't mean it's not newsworthy in the direction Heavy Armor is taking itself.
Now in its 7th year of development, the EMBT ADT140 is starting to move along in fact next month it'll be one the range to test the main gun 140mm in all aspects from stationary to on the move firing exercises. Weapons: ADT 140mm (NEXTAR), 30mm, 20mm & 7.62mm. Technology: Auto Turret/LOADER, APS, AI (Similar to Israeli MERKAVA 5 BARAK), CYBER, HYBRID ENERGY TECH. It is as the article suggests it is a "Beast". https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/techn...8e0db19c8&ei=9 As I'm to hit the 65 Friday, CINCLANTHOME decided I should give myself a 4-day weekend-and so it is. :D Sometime during I'm looking to provide the latest on the status of tanks such as LeClerc XLR, Panther and AMBRAMS 5. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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140mm, is that going to be the norm for heavy tanks in the "not to distant" future?
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Probably the way things are going. What will be interesting is how will Russia and China respond. For Russia well let's just say they've sort of gone down this road already.
It was designated the "BLACK EAGLE" which 1 PROTOTYPE was testing a 152mm Main Gun. You won't have to search really hard to get info on it just click on "First" on the page listing for this Thread. The "BLACK EAGLE" was my first tank posted in here. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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We are on the verge of seeing one of the arguably greatest periods in the history of tank evolution. I would say at least going back to the development of the LEOPARD 2, ABRAMS M1A2, CHALLENGER 2 and LeClerc. Possibly even further to LEOPARD and ABRAMS etc. for their time.
It is indeed rare when so many advances are coming together at the same time. I'm talking about weapons, defensive systems, ammo, FCS, Hybrid Powerplants, AI, Unmanned Turrets, C4, BSM and more. Just in weapons 120mm that can reach out almost 8km w/appropriate ammo. 130/140mm with over the horizon capability. Loitering munitions, who needs a 7.62 or 12.5mm when you can have some combination with either a 20 or 30mm? And you'd rather and as you'll see, forget that previous "mix" and both the 20mm and 30mm and I believe one will still have a coax 7.63mm. And as noted the ammo. I will have a surprise at the end where I'll provide such information which will keep the 120mm relevant I would estimate for the next 15-20yrs. I've scrapped a couple of the tanks from below since those and the rest because WE WILL NOT see them. South Korea: Starting here because it would be considered a light to lower end Med. "tank" based on armor package it's equipped with. I recently posted on this system and while checking back on it the following recent posts below had just "popped up" I speak of Clouded Leopard II. It is currently in the D2 stage of PROTOTYPE testing. Due to design changes the D3 Prototypes won't be in production until 2025 with the validation of the type not completed until the end of 2025. So that would make early production models of the Clouded Leopard II appear until sometime later in 2026. A couple of points the 105mm looks very similar to the Japanese TYPE 16 MCV for one and the following from the ref. "...Hunter-Killer capability similar to that of the M1A2T tanks acquired from the United States, ..." The above further explained... "NCSIST Engineering Deputy Director Colonel Lin Yan-Guang confirmed that the vehicle has a Hunter-Killer capability similar to the M1A2T tanks acquired from the U.S. This feature allows simultaneous engagement and continuous target acquisition. The M1A2 and M1A1 differ in that the older M1A1 requires the commander and gunner to view the same target, allowing the commander to resume searching only after engagement. In contrast, the M1A2 permits the commander to continue searching for new targets while the gunner engages the identified target." https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...ard-ii-vehicle U.S.: Another Lgt. to Med. tank the M 10 BOOKER has started operational testing. This tank has a "shot" to possibly make it by mid 2025 maybe. But it is limited by the opening statement and the following: "This initial delivery comprises four production vehicles and four production retrofit vehicles, which have been modified from their original XM10 configurations." That's a long way from filling out several regiments or Brigades as has been the custom of the USA when it comes to armor. And from ref. 2 "Testing at Fort Liberty, North Carolina, will focus on making sure the platform is baseline operational, Major General Glenn Dean, programme executive officer for Ground Combat Systems, told reporters on the sidelines of an army live-fire and commemoration event. Training for soldiers will focus on logistics and new maintenance after the unit receives the vehicles in July, Captain Rachel Ledbetter, company commander of the M10 Booker test detachment, 82nd Airborne Division, told Janes on 18 April." https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...-at-ft-liberty https://www.janes.com/osint-insights...anned-for-july France: This will lead off the Heavy Armor portion. I speck of the Leclerc Evolution and is armed with the ...ASCALON 120 mm cannon, a cutting-edge weapon system designed to deliver unparalleled firepower and precision." as I noted above, also it has the following, "A standout feature of the Leclerc Evolution is its ARX 30 secondary weapon, specifically designed for counter-UAV (Unmanned Aerial Vehicle) warfare.". And finally, it also has the Escamotable loitering munition launch platform as pictured. The issue here is it's very early in the developmental stage and then there is this..."The Leclerc Evolution will likely be shunned by the French army. Tanks are not a priority for the Army today, and for good reason. According to the French army itself, tanks are not currently a priority for them. Indeed, as part of the 2024-2030 Military Programming Law (LPM), it must carry out numerous programs, which will be difficult to fully finance. These include the deployment of the Griffon, Serval, and Jaguar vehicles from the SCORPION program, the design and ordering of the VBAE to replace the VBL, the acquisition of 109 Caesar MkII that must form the backbone of French artillery, as well as the modernization of the Tiger attack helicopters and the introduction of the H-160M Guépard for the Light Aviation of the Army (ALAT)." And like the French we won't see it. https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...-evolution-mbt Germany: At one time I felt and posted that the following first 2 tanks might have had a chance, but the 2nd fell off for me about a year ago and I thought until more recently the 1st still had at least a small chance of getting in. LEOPARD 2A8 everyone wants one and a couple of contracts have been signed from outside Germany notably Hungry. This tank was meant to be a stop gap and the last of the "traditional" LEOPARD A2 series. Germany has ordered 105 (Remember this number as you read the below.) of these tanks. However again with most of these tanks we won't see it because of the following..."The purchase of the Leopard 2A8 tanks is expected to be carried out under a contract with the defense equipment manufacturer KNDS, and delivery is scheduled for between 2027 and 2030. However, 70 units are to be delivered during the last two years of the contract." https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...-based-brigade KF-51 PANTHER: Well they have I believe they have 2 Concept Demonstrators and this tank isn't going anywhere soon because the factory to build it doesn't even exist except on paper. And it'll be located not where you would expect it to be..."On March 4, 2023, the German newspaper website "Spiegel" published that the German company Rheinmetall is negotiating the construction of a tank factory in Ukraine with an investment of €200 million to build the new KF51 Panther Main Battle Tank (MBT)." https://armyrecognition.com/military...fact-sheet#top KF-51U And so it continues there is 1 Concept Demonstrator here we up gun... "This smoothbore gun, designated as the 130mm/L51, offers superior firepower and lethality compared to the existing 120mm L55/L55A1 cannons. The increased caliber allows for higher muzzle energy and greater destructive capability, which translates into a 50% longer effective kill range. This makes the 130mm gun particularly effective against advanced protective systems employed by contemporary armored threats." https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...h-130mm-cannon LEOPARD 2 A-RC 3.0: From KNDS Germany, a tank intended to serve as a transitional Main Battle Tank before the Main Ground Combat System (MGCS) becomes operational in the late 2030s. It will have the same 130mm as the PANTHER and also can be retrofitted to fit the 140mm. It will also feature an ATGW system similar in design to the BRADLEY that will have a missile capable of both LOS and NLOS attacks. However again, "Looking ahead, KNDS Deutschland aims to showcase a fully operational demonstrator of the Leopard 2 A-RC 3.0 by 2026, refining its chassis design based on feedback from potential users such as the German armed forces (Bundeswehr)." https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...ard-2-a-rc-3-0 I believe Germany might be trying to reach too far with all these variants when you include the fact that they just opened a plant in the Ukraine to repair their German tanks and other armor. In Germany they are still using a plant to get those LEOPARD 1A5 tanks of which they (Ukraine) will be getting more of as the number has increased slightly for what was planned a couple of years ago. They'll figure it out I'm sure, however, I feel a couple of the "near" new tanks will slip by a year or two in the process. https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...ard-2-a-rc-3-0 UK: I've posted on this tank extensively to date, however like the lead 2 German tanks, I've stopped playing with the numbers for now as the situation hasn't changed from my last posts. I speak of the CHALLENGER 3. Unlike the AJAX which we're not hearing anything about and won't make it in, the CHALLENGER 3 Program is so far moving along and gotten ahead in some areas of development which is why I was hoping that at least there was a shot in 2026 to get it entered in the game in the latter half of 2025. It will not happen what've posted recently in the last few months and now shows no change in the IOC and FOC dates. Ref. 1 "Initial operating capability is expected in 2027, while full operating capability is scheduled to be reached in 2030." https://www.army-technology.com/feat...-tank/?cf-view Ref. 2 "The work was carried out under an £800M contract which was awarded to RBSL in 2021 to deliver 148 upgraded, fully digitalised battle tanks to the British Army from 2027." https://www.army.mod.uk/news-and-eve...d-of-schedule/ Ref. 3 This last is as current as you can get. Click on "TRIALS" under "PROGRAMME UPDATES" for the following... "It is currently forecasted that the trials will be completed and the SQR will be reached during 2026. The Initial Operating Capability is forecasted to be in 2027. All 148 Challenger 3's are planned to be in service by the end of 2030." https://www.army.mod.uk/equipment/challenger-3/ It's a bleak picture but it seems like it falls on me to present this information at time times and I've invested sometime in at least 4 of the above tanks as I kept my "fingers-crossed" at least a couple would make it. So "Viva La France! Because we will get one right now and since it's quiet out there, it looks like maybe I got a "leg up" on this one-maybe!?! FRANCE/ADD/Leclerc XLR/COPY/Leclerc S2 AZUR/UNIT 034/CHANGE/START JAN 2024/SPEED 23/TI/GSR 60/AMMO 22 RDS/STEEL/HF 75/TF 90/HEAT/HF 125/HS 50/HR 40/TF 175/TR 40. // First the French don't work like other armies they do extensive testing and get the equipment out to the first unit when enough vehicles will fully fit out that combat unit. The GRIFFON is a perfect example of this process. Alright by the numbers START based on fact the first 18 operational tanks were assigned to the 501st Combat Tank Regiment (501 RCC, Régiment de Chars de Combat) and arrived in the latter part of 2023, I simply allowed for some Training and Maintenace which I feel is reasonable. Reduced SPEED by 1 to allow for the fact that this is the heaviest of the Leclerc tanks designed, this is due to the fact this tank is just shy of 5.5 tons added due to the armor improvements which was the reason for the STEEL and HEAT values. The AMMO reduction was caused by the fact they removed the armored Ammo magazine area by the Driver to increase crew safety. https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...to-french-army https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...ds-leclerc-xlr (Describes the MG as the CN 120-26 also it's equipped with the new HE M3M explosive rounds further enhances its versatility, providing impact, delay, and airburst functions.) https://www.janes.com/osint-insights...w-apfsds-round (This round is now available. Ref from 2021.) https://www.janes.com/osint-insights...eclerc-upgrade (Current tank sights.) https://armyrecognition.com/military...video-10704171 (Updated Data Sheet from last May.) JAPAN: We had some discussion out here, now it is official. JAPAN/CHANGE/TYPE 74/UNITS 019 & 027/END JUN 2024/VICE/DEC 2025. // The ref. says it all however I left the two engineer types alone as the article focused on "Combat" vice "Support" for engineering units. https://www.janes.com/osint-insights...-type-74-tanks If there is any time to address Romania's TR-85 M1R just got the first good data from JANE's concerning the upgrades that have been speculated on from sources and reported by me for this tank over the last couple of years or more. Information is from May 2024. Poop!! it's late and back to work later today. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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For many years I've talked about the problems plaguing the ARMATA and the one I touched on the most was the engine.
Not until more recently did I become aware of the one of the main reasons for the issues the Russian were having problems with the engines and the article goes into, they decided to build the tank around the engine. To sure there are still other factors involved even now. One of those is I felt was the engine was rushed into production and not fully tested. Long gone are the days of tank engines just providing propulsion and basic electrical needs. You build a tank based all the main and subsystems to include your mechanical requirements auto loaders and such to include propulsion and power generation. The engine will also power all your electronics and cooling systems etc. in short everything that makes up the modern tank. Once every aspect from the above and more have been finalized this is when the designers should be looking at engines they already have, are independently being developed and finally do we have to build an engine from scratch for the tank. Engines and Transmissions have killed or severely delayed many tanks over the years such as ARJUN at over 30yrs in development though in fairness during part of its development some of the engine technology just wasn't available at the time The ALTAY is another for almost 10 years now which will put its game availability in jeopardy much like the ARMATA. https://nationalinterest.org/blog/bu...anymore-210006 Regards, Pat :capt: |
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I came across an article a couple of nights ago about a handful of issues concerning TAIWAN and its current tank situation. One tank I thought was in error of being in, however, this is why I do things the way I do, I research the topic regardless of what I might think my initial thoughts are on the matter. For that particular tank I will say the START would be impossible due to the refs I have and will have to be adjusted a minimum of 1.5 yrs. to the right.
For the next we couldn't have picked a better START for that tank unless we had access to a "crystal ball". There will be finally new updates again to the M-60A3 which I feel they'll have enough of for a START of JAN 2025. The last concerns the CM-12 I have thus far only found 1 source saying about 40 of these tanks were also updated with a 120mm and supporting systems much like what happened to the same number of M-60A3 tanks. The first ref. will get the ball rolling... https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...ing-for-m1-mbt (July 4, 2024) 1. M1A2T UNIT 025: As some might remember we built this tank a year or two ago to address the export versions for this and other tanks that were built and submitted in last year's Patch. we had some discussion on this because this wasn't the first time TAIWAN, and the ABRAMS were used in the same breath going back at least 15yrs. So from the article... "The United States has sold 108 M1 tanks to Taiwan. Currently, about 40 tanks have left the factory. The first batch of 38 tanks will be delivered to Taiwan in the fourth quarter of this year. (2 are the HERCULES Recovery versions.) " Since the source was undoubtably from the DOD, we just entered the 4th Qtr. on the JUL 1 (JUL.-SEP.) of the 2024 Fiscal Year. So, the START is good unless you wish to make it OCT. TAIWAN has been waiting for about 5yrs. now since they bought them when I posted on the matter. They've been training in the U.S. starting around 3yrs. ago if memory serves. They are certainly ready to fully operate the 1st batch and I would suspect the next when it arrives in latter 2025. 2. M-60TAIWAN-P UNIT 026: When I saw this tank in the OOB I just wasn't so sure about it. But I looked into it, and I found some "stuff" I it however the refs just don't support the current START. This tank is a complete RESET a real term I haven't used since maybe I submitted the M1A1 FEP and a couple of other ABRAMS during that "Rabbit Hole DEBACLE" (Don was really happy with me on that, though about 3/4 of that were game legacy issues.). Given this refs date of March 17, 2022, you see my issue. So... "Upgraded tanks are expected to be redelivered in batches by October 2025. " Allowing for retooling and completely doing a FULL RESET; I really can't see more than 10 -15 tanks any earlier than START OCT. 2023 out of the 40 to be RESET. Conservatively speaking JAN. 2024. Also increase the SPEED based on the fact these also should have received the 1200HP engines the below are getting, replacing the original 750HP engines. https://www.asianmilitaryreview.com/...ng-tank-boost/ (March 17, 2022/Reliable used in the past for OPLOT-T etc.) M-60A3: Less the 40 above this leaves TAIWAN with 420 (Refs are saying 460) operational units. They will ALL be upgraded and RESET. Completion date is set for 2028. TAIWAN/ADD/M-60A3M (OR "TM")/COPY/M-60TAIWAN-P*/AS FOLLOWS/START JAN 2025/SPEED/BASED ON 1200HP ENGINE VICE 750HP/EW 4*/RADIO 92/TI/GSR 40*/MG 105 M68 84/FC 50*/STABILISER 6*/REACTIVE*/HF 15/TF 15/TOP 15. // I also used M-60A3 UNIT 023 as these are M-60A3 tanks getting RESET. There is NO reason (Written or otherwise.) that these aren't getting the same systems and if you do a good read of the refs for this RESET they are the same exact ones the M-60TAIWAN-P had done on them less the armor upgrade. ERA is mine which I feel is a reasonable designer prerogative and likely to occur anyway. Also, half the fleet are getting are brand new 105mm tubes. https://www.defencetoday.com/land/la...-battle-tanks/ (March 17, 2023) https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/news/5897003 (June 29, 2024) https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...ing-for-m1-mbt (July 4, 2024) CM-12: I'd feel better if the tank in the picture showed a 120mm, but it looks like a 105mm to me. https://militaryview.com/taiwan-cm-1...midable-force/ Finally, while doing the RESET M-60A3 I discovered we don't have a M-60A3 in service unless I missed it. I don't know if we need to add a new one based on newer ammo. Also, I don't know if they had the 105mm guns upgraded as we have the last one in service ending in 1997. Since the all the refs I've come across didn't mention a 105mm grade I think it safe it didn't happen. An ammo upgrade however is more likely with the TTS in service. So... TAIWAN/CHANGE/M-60A3/UNIT 021/END TO DEC 2025 VICE DEC 1997. // OR TAIWAN/ADD/M-60A3/COPY/M-60A3 UNIT 021/START UNKNOWN/END DEC 2025/ADD NEW 105mm AMMO TYPE. // START based on when new ammo was available. This might still necessitate an end date change for UNIT 021 when the newer 105mm ammo was in use. Also, TAIWAN (U.S.?) will this tank transporter this is the upgraded version AND is the ONLY one that can transport an M1A2 whatever. The previous version was found in Iraq to have issues with the M1A1 as those tanks were up armored during the conflict. https://www.bing.com/videos/rivervie...77A7&FORM=VIRE (In very beginning I believe it showed a 90 Ton Load capacity.) Picture from JANES during USA Op testing. Attachment 17039 My Dad while in Germany before we moved Stateside was attached to the 97th Tank Transport Division and was awarded a certificate for being made an official member of "The Royal Order of Dragooners" while stationed at Rommel's "Panzer Kasserine" just outside of Stuttgart (W.) Germany. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Well, this will be the easiest tank I didn't have to build because in a manner of speaking, it's already in the game about where I would've wanted the numbers to be in particular as it regards the FCS. So, Don THANK YOU!!! This tank goes back to last week as posted before the TAIWAN issue came up.
The next 2 involves Turkey 1. Is a unit I intended to delete several years ago because Turkey decided to pursue the ALTAY Program which is still delayed pending further investigation. And depending on the outcome of that investigation and due to, many years' worth of delays, Turkey has already announced the "NEW" ALTAY will be improved from the version we thought they would, and we have currently in the game. I'm sure some high-ranking Turkish Officers are kicking themselves in the :deadhorse: that they didn't pursue the one up for DELETION. They would've had about 200 of them or more by now.:doh: :doh: Also, they have not put this up for an Export sale as well, but Germany probably would've stopped it like they did the powerplant and transmissions for the ALTAY that set that program back at least 8 -10 years. The other I let slip though I posted on it several times from the start like ALTAY etc. and that's the KAPLAN Light/Med. tank which was a joint venture with Indonesia and more recently put into service by the Philippines with one other Asian country now or in the near future, thinking Vietnam but, have to check. On KAPLAN my thinking is a simple "Vanilla" tank for all current operators. Don if you want it just say the word. My thinking is further to use the BRADLEY and one of a couple of others to give me a baseline to work with on the armor side to maybe include the VT-4. The rest is easy but not as easy as the next... ROMANIA/CHANGE/T-85M2 BIZONUL/UNIT 017/RENAME/T-85M1R/CHANGE/START JAN 2025 vice JAN 2012/EW 2/TI/GSR 45. // There is no data on an "M2" in these current refs. it is possible it was something they planned to do and probably for financial reasons didn't proceed. I feel that with both the EW & TI/GSR increases along with the rest make this tank for its size "competitive" against its contemporaries currently out there. https://www.janes.com/osint-insights...-tr-85-m1r-mbt https://en.topwar.ru/244101-rumynija...nki-tr-85.html TURKEY/DELETE/LEOPARD 2T/UNIT 039. // As noted above, I posted on this tank when it was displayed as a PROTOTYPE of which they 2 MAYBE 4 of. Why? Well again to pursue the ALTAY until a change in leadership in Turkey along with the "crackdowns" that occurred shortly after the elections which further lead to some very public "human rights violations" made things to "politically hot" for Germany and Austria at home to continue supporting and supplying Turkey on further development for the ALTAY at a very critical and costly time in its early development. For the financial reasons this all imposed it forced Turkey to abandon any hope on further development of the LEOPARD 2T. The FIX was both the M60T UNIT 616 & M60T LAHAT UNIT 617 which we worked on. Seeing those dates makes me wonder how many tanks we worked on together over the years? Also... INDIA: They have found a solution to their tank problems in the mountains of the lower Himalayas of which the T-72 tanks they are operating are having a difficult time in doing as China is running around with their VT-4 (Close enough.) tanks in the same area. On paper it looks good, and they finally have the indigenous tank business figured out with both ARJUN and ARJUN Mk 1 fully in operation. https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...hes-with-china Final note: On the Taiwanese M-60A3M (TM?) as submitted last night, I forgot to post this to "drive home" the numbers which also support those of the M-60TAIWAN-P from both refs of last night the following..."Additionally, the commander will have an independent targeting system, which will enable direct observation and firing to conduct effective strikes." This was the first capability to be accomplished that in modern terms truly defined the term of "Hunter Killer" capability. This was the difference between the M1A1 and M1A2 ABRAMS initially. I'll be off tomorrow as I have an appointment in JAX Fl. mid-morning. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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I've spent some hours now "chasing a ghost" called the Turkish KAPLAN sort of.
1. Turkey does not have or operate the KAPLAN 105mm tank. 2. Turkey does have and operate the KAPLAN ATGM tank which I found about 1.5 hrs. ago along with the missile it's using which is a fire and forget and also can be used as Direct Fire (Lgt. Armor) OR Top Attack (Hvy. Armor) modes. 3. Indonesia does have and just recently declared FOC of the KAPLAN 105mm because COVID delayed production and set back deliveries by +2 yrs. It looks really good. All my refs. are lined up now, no thanks to "BOooo!!" who's no "Casper the friendly Ghost"! :D When I saw the second ref. I remember reading about the situation and even posted on it regarding a change in manufacturers plus COVID delays again didn't help the ALTAY. Each number will align with its Turkish ref., and it was "female dog" of a search to get this much as far as a reliable source is concerned. Also you'll need to use your translator function, mine Win 10 current EDGE browser. 1. How Many? The 2 original ALTAY PROTOTYPES from 2013 when completed and delivered. After extensive testing they were incrementally updated to what is known now as the "NEW ALTAY". https://www.savunmasanayist.com/bmc-...slim-edilecek/ 2. It seems that last month they just started production of the new ALTAY. These tanks are highly technical in nature, if we use a similar timeline to ABRAMS, we are looking at almost at something around 16 months before the first tank rolls off the assembly line. With postproduction factory testing before the army gets them, along with the Armies own testing to IOC and FOC, WITH NO DELAYS, I'm thinking just over +2.5yrs at least until FOC. https://www.trtworld.com/turkiye/tur...tanks-18167627 I guess we can "push it back" again for about the 4th time to JUN 2025 and track it. I'll be in no hurry to update it anytime this year for sure as design changes can occur again. Back to the KAPLAN I'm done at this point. At least the ref. search is fully done and finished. As I start back tomorrow hoping I can get this to you by next Mon. or Tue. if this works for you. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Quick "?" using WORD 2013 hyperlinks on for refs. been a long while since used; will those refs open alright in here?
Turkish KAPLAN-ATV-DONE Indonesian HARIMAU-85%+ running down ERA & ATGW OMTAS & UMTAS (As equipped for above.) the COCKERILL CT-CV 105mm HP was built to fire an ATGM since introduced in 2021. Turkey has already successfully tested both and presented it in either IDEF 2023/or 2024. Seeing if I can find verification of purchase by Indonesia Something else at 50% will be improved upon from existing same class vehicle and is fielded. All I can say is Life, Family and Work. Including one day of SELF indulgence with back-to-back EURO and COPA Cups. :D Otherwise doing my best. Regards, Pat |
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Patch Post 2024/2025 Campaign
The KAPLAN (TURKEY FNSS) and HIRAMAU (INDONESIA PINDAD) both meaning “TIGER” is a jointly developed project between both of the above-mentioned countries. It also represents the only tank exported to another country by Turkey. I’m submitting the following at the STANAG 5 level of protection which is Level 5: Kinetic Energy Threat: 25 mm APDS-T (M791) or TLB 073 at 500 meters with 1258 m/s (frontal arc to centerline: ±30°, elevation 0°). Artillery: 155 mm High Explosive at 25 meters. It is also to be noted that the following are built on the same chassis, I bring this up because when you look at the KAPLAN-ATV and HIRAMAU I personally felt something seemed “different” for whatever reason. Yes, I checked against myself, and all is good. TURKEY/ADD/KAPLAN-ATV/START/JUN 2020/END/DEC 2025/CREW 4/SWIM/FULLY AMPHIB/EW 0/RADIO 90/TI/GSR 60/WEAPONS/UMTAS ATGW/2 READY/12 STORED/RNG. 0.5km – 8km (<30S)/PHA UP TO 1200mm/AA ALT. UP TO 4km/WARHEAD/Tandem High-Explosive Anti-Tank Blast Fragmentation/ RS TURRET COAX 7.62mm /LASER RF 22/STABILISER 5/SURVIBILITY 5/ V-HULL (MINE)/STEEL 12/8/5/3/2/2/5/HEAT 14/10/5/0/0/0/5/ERA 8/6/0/0/0/0/5/ROF 2 READY/SMOKE DISCHARGERS 2 REAR MOUNTED BANKS.// While in the initial testing phase the KAPLAN-ATV system was using the OMTAS Med. Rng. ATGW (Ref. below) which is being used on the recently available PARS 4x4, PARS and Man Portable Launchers. The warhead is of a different configuration with a PHA of 1000mm at ½ the Max. Rng. of the UMTAS which was completing land launch testing before the KAPLAN-ATV went into production. Some refs provided simply to provide for a better look at the unit. Also, the first 6 were delivered in March 2020. https://militaryleak.com/2020/03/26/...tank-vehicles/ https://www.defenceturkey.com/en/con...aplan-atv-3916 https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...o-turkish-army https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...nd%20of%202023. https://www.fnss.com.tr/en/products/...-turret-photos https://www.roketsan.com.tr/uploads/...9732_omtas.pdf https://www.roketsan.com.tr/uploads/...2_umtas-en.pdf The issues are obvious from the refs. Each of the above missiles are in the field currently as these missiles are replacing their TOW and MILAN across all weapon systems. We would need 1 Man Portable for each missile, 1 PARS 4x4, 1 PARS with the OMTAS (2017 on.) and 1 PARS with the UMTAS (2020) . Also, in my search I came across the T-129 UNITS 621-623 and was wondering if the UMTAS missiles they have match the 1200mm armor penetration from the refs? Also, the T-129 ATAK can carry 12 UMTAS or 8 with 8 AA missiles (Look like STINGERS in the pod.) as the top picture of the ref. shows below. https://www.army-technology.com/proj...ystem/?cf-view INDONESIA/ADD/HARIMAU (TIGER)/START/MAR 2024/END/DEC 2025/CREW 3/SPEED 78km/h/ EW 0/RADIO 90/TI/GSR 60/WEAPONS/105mm HP/16 IN AUTO LOADER-12 AIR TRANSPORTABLE/XX STORED/ROF X/COAX 7.62mm/PINNACLE 12.5mm/TESTED SAT FOR BOTH OMTAS/UMTAS ATGMS/NOT PURCHASED/LASER RF 22/STABILISER 5/or 6/SURVIBILITY 5/ V-HULL/STEEL/12/8/5/14/7/7/5/HEAT/14/10/5/16/8/8/5/SMOKE DISCHARGERS 2x4 TURRET MOUNTED 1 EACH SIDE.// Let's deal with the stored 105 ammo issue some refs are indicating more rounds are stored however, not many are, or a couple say the ammo loadout is “classified”. Sixteen does seem low and if I had to take guess, I would say it could carry somewhere between 6-10 rounds of 105mm stored based on the size of the tank. That’s just my “best guess”, that’ll be a call for you to make. To the rest it has full “Hunter Killer” capability. D/R/I to identify a target in daylight at 5km/Night at 3.5km/70 hexes. I can see it coming so; D/R/I Detect/Recognize/Identify. There is no optional equipment with the Indonesian versions so it has Shot Detection System (SDS) (Some might call it Sniper Detection) and Laser Warning System (LWS). I don’t see the PULAT APS on the Indonesian tanks, but it is available. A note on PULAT they seem to have made the modules much smaller from when they were first mounted primarily on their M-60 tanks in Syria. You’ll find it in the last ref. look for it forward of and between "Cockerill" (Turret) and "TANK" on the hull. https://www.aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacifi...litary/3174912 https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...ndonesian-army https://johncockerill.com/wp-content...-a4h-en-hd.pdf https://www.armyrecognition.com/mili...nce-belgium-uk https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/0...kaplan-mt.html https://www.armyrecognition.com/mili...t-fnss#details https://www.fnss.com.tr/en/products/kaplan-mt https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...4iLCJ0YW5rIl0= Used mostly the following UNIT as a reference due to approximate size and weight (Others were also considered for comparative purposes in the build of the above.) USA/UNIT 306/M2A3+ Bradley. //. Hell I’ll “roll the dice” on the other and get this to you in a few minutes. I will be out until early evening as CINCLANTHOME and the daughter have invited me to see to lunch, movie and some shopping. Besides she sees enough of the movies I want to see so “fair-is-fair”. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Getting this again while trying to edit my last post-"Access Denied - Sucuri Website Firewall" my Bitdefender has been notifying me of suspicious activity on this site for a while as well.
Anyway, for the HIRAMAU the ROF is 6-8 rounds and it can engage aerial targets up to 55 degrees of elevation with the Rifled 105mm HP. Hyperlinks don't cross over; it was good that I kept my refs. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Just FYI when the MBT patch is released the end dates are now 12/2030......
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First of all, AWESOME news!!
As I indicated on my MBT "2025 Deathwatch" post, I had started work on about 3 of those tanks plus one not on the list the Italian ARETE in which Italy decided to update now fully through the Phase 1-3 options as presented a few months back in this thread as you might remember. I don't know what prompted you to post this information but, to be honest, you prevented the fairly imminent destruction of my notes on those tanks. I'm truly relieved that the time spent didn't "go down the shedder" with my notes. As some know, just because I don't post doesn't mean I'm idle because there's always something to do out here and someone lets me do it most times at my own pace until we get to crunch time. So, Andy & Don thanks again for the wonderful news! Now to my last "submission", I've tried several times to update the END dates to 2030 and I get the below every time I hit the "Save Changes" button. This has only happened when I execute that "command" if you will. Also, this has been intermittent issue but somewhat fairly common over the last few months. You might remember I had brought this issue up awhile back as well. "Access Denied - Sucuri Website Firewall If you are the site owner (or you manage this site), please whitelist your IP or if you think this block is an error, please open a support ticket and make sure to include the block details (displayed in the box below), so we can assist you in troubleshooting the issue. Block details: Your IP: XXXXXXXXXX (mE) URL: forum.shrapnelgames.com/editpost.php?do=updatepost&p=856629 Your Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/127.0.0.0 Safari/537.36 Edg/127.0.0.0 Block ID: EXPVH11 Block reason: Exploit attempt denied by virtual hardening. Time: 2024-07-29 21:29:30 Server ID: 14007" Alright just let me add "down" the shedder. Still logged in unlike this morning when I was logged out since last night and logging in this morning. Hope to back in here later tonight I have been cleaning out some of "folders" of items going back 3-4 years of which I think haven't been acted on even external to myself. We'll see. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Welcome Back T-80, we missed you!
https://i.imgur.com/bdLlcn6.jpeg :p Gas Turbine Engine, Kontakt ERA, 120>mm gun. :p |
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That's no T80 that's an Abrams under all that ERA:D
Ukraine M1A1SA of the 47th brigade fighting alone in the open field https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlwHNKz2Plo That tank has 7 road wheels....... T-80 has 6 EDIT I would like to see a clearer, close up photo of this vehicle because in that shot and the others I have seen that outer layer of "ERA" on the turret looks like brick...... Its probably not brick but it sure looks like it in that photo above Supplement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puL0L4j2RHo |
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I thought I had saved the next but was wrong. Besides the ERA they also mounted about a 2" to 3" steel armor if you will "table" on the top of the turret. You can more easily see it around the panoramic site. You should be able to blow the picture up within the article.
"The turret is now encased with Explosive Reactive Armor (ERA) and additional armor plates mounted on the turret roof. This setup, notably, does not include the large wire cage armor, which can compromise the tank's combat capabilities." https://www.armyrecognition.com/focu...rone-solutions Should also answer your "Block" question as well. Gotta go to work early to have a shower before "I go to work". Debby was a "Bxxxh" we pumped 500 gals of gray water from the walk-in shower 5 gals at a time over 10 hours on Monday. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Russia lost its 100th T-90M tank in Ukraine as massive leaks exposed Russian weaknesses.
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The Ukrainian M1a1 SA's are TUSK+ equivalent for ERA now
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Some shots of current AFU T-64BV series tanks from the current Kursk offensive showing nicely a current production version of a cope cage.
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A number of ??? spring to mind
1/Is that a steel mesh net ? It may or may not be but if you are just trying to stop a drone, they may not need anything more than something to catch and tangle it up no matter how fast it comes in........ ATGM is a whole different problem/solution but thinking even a medium-sized drone would tangle in that netting and it's a LOT less restrictive |
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The only way to make cages work at game scale is to keep the frame,
1/ simple--anything too complex looks like a lump when reduced down to scale 2/ the cage needs to much lighter than the turret to allow contrast between the cage detail and turret detail https://forum.shrapnelgames.com/atta...1&d=1723747326 |
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And the "winner" is the Challenger 2 as the first Western tank to operate on Russian soil during combat operations as part of the KURSK Operations.
Reports are indicating they have lost 2 of the 14 they have during those operations. https://www.armyrecognition.com/focu...n-russian-soil The situation must really "gall" the Russians that a foreign invader is running around the site of the largest tank battle ever fought (6,000+ tanks and slightly over 2 million troops.) and arguably one of Russia's greatest victories on land. So far, the Ukrainians have captured an area of around 1,000 sq. miles. Yesterday or day before they took out a major bridge in the area to restrict a Russian response from that immediate area. https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...ation-overview https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...rsks-offensive https://www.militarytimes.com/vetera...-changed-wwii/ (And people wonder why we kill spies.) Very nicely done on the ICON, "KISS" usually is best suited for things like that. ;) Regards, Pat :capt: |
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https://www.armyrecognition.com/temp...-a583f61b.webp This relates back to the discussion about new the North Korean tank and how it looked like sheet metal Note the turret "detail" of the Chally in the foreground....it has the same "sheet metal" look to it |
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Wondering if there is significance to the different ways the Triagular markings on the tank hulls are applied...... one is flat topped the other pointed top. It could be as simple as the stencils were issued without instructions OR these are from two different units and how that marking was applied shows that..... That said there are photos with the marking applied both ways and that could be just happenstance or deliberate...... |
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It appears that the "White Triangle" is simply a means to identify Ukrainian mobile units to avoid friendly fire incidents in this fast-moving offensive.
The "White Triangle" first appeared in June used by the Operational Command West group of forces stationed near the border with Belarus. Some want to make this an issue in response to the Russian "Z" and or "dub" this incursion/invasion as "Operation Triangle" I'm more a realist so I believe in "SAFETY FIRST"! :D https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...in/ar-AA1oFGXT https://uk.news.yahoo.com/1-subtle-s...gacX6NPutdQIXz https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crkm08rv5m0o ("The armoured convoys are sporting white triangular insignias, seemingly to distinguish them from hardware used within Ukraine itself. Meanwhile, aerial photos have appeared to show Ukrainian tanks engaged in combat inside Russia.") Interesting about the Challenger 2 I'm wondering if there using the same 2"-3" steel armor plating I noted was mounted as a "tabletop" on the top of the ABRAMS turret in my post on the matter. See Post 1829 if you want. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that's what they did, you're right they added the same steel armor plate all around the turret.
The near tank you can clearly see the weld marks around the edges on the turret. Also, you can see they didn't quite align the "plates" evenly on the left side of the turret. On the far tank the weld marks (Or scars if you will.) look cleaner and you can see a "white mark" at the bottom of the joint between the plates also on the left side. This could simply mean it wasn't properly painted over. Since the page flipped see the previous about the "White Triangle". Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Delays for the remaining 98 K2 tanks to Poland and looking like at this time Poland will not be building them possibly.
"It was also noted that the vehicles would be produced in Korea, although the Minister of Defence wanted some of them to be produced in Poland. The article in “Rz” also mentioned that “plans for the manufacturing of these tanks in Poland are in question” and that funding for the second executive contract has not yet been secured." https://defence24.com/industry/whats...t=tbtl2wsjbhyq https://milmag.pl/en/another-batch-o...and-this-year/ Just another indication of a supplier saying "What's ours, stays ours. " Regards, Pat :capt: |
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.........and the supplier isn't just a few hours by train away.
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Thanks
If anyone find other photos of these UKR mods post the link please Thanks https://i.imgur.com/QrUwFUU.png |
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Also........not there yet but.......that turret does hang out over the side quite a bit almost like the Canadian C2
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On short notice:
https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...deo-11876.html Even before the war started there were "rumors" that production of the following was quietly going to be moved outside of Ukraine. Those rumors have in the past year started to gain more traction. Also, before the war I had posted that the USA had bought 3 units of this tank for test and evaluation purposes. There were doubters and it took a little time to convince the "Boss" but he (And others. :)) know I'm a "deep miner" in my searches of reliable and verifiable references. We built it, I noticed in game play against its peers it wasn't performing as it should've, so I asked for volunteers to test it against the T-72BM (B3/4 initially.) and I think we might've done the same against the T-90. A very strong handful of players stepped up (THANK YOU ALL AGAIN!!) The data was analyzed and presented to Don, and we made better from the testing and data as in the game now. That process is in this thread, and some might find it interesting to look at. The problem was where was the tank since the war began? The best I was able to find out was it possibly was being used for the defense of the capital. Well, I know where it is now, also it looks like at the turret has been modified especially in how the gun is mounted to it, but I don't like the angle of the picture as shown in the article to make the "hard call" on that at this time. https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...oto-11665.html :cool: While I'm at it... https://en.defence-ua.com/industries...ank-11763.html Regards, Pat :capt: |
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That last top down ( sort of.....) photo in the article is very helpful
https://en.defence-ua.com/media/cont...85c0600fd1.jpg As is this comment Quote:
I think the icon we are using for UKR 713 is close it just needs a bit more embellishment https://i.imgur.com/l0M7fZQ.png Further refinement....... there will likely be another before it goes into the game https://i.imgur.com/Xi1pofq.png I have also increased all 1a5's to FC 40 from 35 |
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