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If you do want I will agree then, just to let you see I was not kidding about my situation. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif I believe I can still hold for a few turns, as long as your other fleets are not on active duty in my systems. Once they arrive... They will be able to wreak havoc behind my lines, and will effectively prevent any decent effort at colonizing. (Do remember I need quite a few turns before being able to make a benefit from these gas planets. And even then, I don't believe I can afford to develop two planets at once before you arrive, let alone ten.)

So, if you would like to finish me, go for it, but I am still not convinced at all I stand the slightest chance, either in the short run or in one or two years. (Incidentally, my carriers were fleeing to hold my main systems, not intercepting your own fleet. That was the first idea at least, perhaps I should just send them to guard this front)

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Asmala, I accept the surrender of Slynky and Alenyan since both of them feel their situation is hopeless. Those two wins should just about jump me up to a king match against Rex. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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No, I don't want you to play just to apease me. Maybe I am wrong about your position. All I know is that I got a few battles that went OK. Captured a few ships (to disect). And I got into first place for the first time. I have 84 ships. About 50 are on the front lines and the other are being trained or repaired. I do have something else going on (I have sneaked several ships behind your front lines...but that was only done in an effort to divert your attention from attacking me...maybe just a nuisance).

As to your questions:

I have training facilities...Advanced research. Only one research beyond that gave me hyper optics...enough to see your stealth ships. I have sats in all the systems near the battle fronts so I can see your ships if they were with stealth armor.

As to hulls, only recently did I move to LC. RexTorres whipped the s--t out of me with destroyers (combat components and training make them extra hard to hit), so I spent most of the game with those hulls...not because of research but because they were what kicked my *** before...in the KOTH match.

If you feel that strongly about your position, then surrender it is. Allow me to say this: This is the first game where someone surrendered to me when I thought it unlikely. Adding...I'd play a team game with you anytime. You are a good player.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">LOL...(actually, ROTFLMAO)... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

Ahem....

Now...back to a game I can hardly remember...Slynky -vs- Geoschmo (pt II).

[Edit: not actually a KOTH game]

[ November 24, 2003, 20:42: Message edited by: Slynky ]

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First to the questions: I was having such devices as well, but only in a few systems. I was silly for thinking you would forget to use these obviously. I planned on attacking your rear lines with these ships, but you were ready unfortunately.

I see, I believe it is a nice idea and it is indeed working fine. (Heavy Mount doesn't help when you cannot it your target) And that gave me an idea. I should use such ships as well, once the research is done that is. (Don't laugh, but I still only have Scouts and Frigates)

My main concern is the number of fronts at the moment rather than the strength of your military. (I have a bit more than thirty ships, including former skirmishers, repair bases and likely an outdated ship or three. Could be enough against your fifty ships, but perhaps not) You don't even have to challenge my warships to win, destroying my main resource worlds would be more than enough. My only hope is that you forget to play for three years, only awaking to see my nice Warp Closers Online, but I have the feeling this is unlikely. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

So, I believe I don't stand a chance unless you are indeed experiencing some big trouble meaning I am left alone for quite a few turns. Otherwise my outer systems will fall one after the other, your ships able to evade my slower and less numerous forces. So, in a few words, do you think we should carry on with the game? I am not sure how willing you are to go on the offensive in this game though, it could lengthen the game by a few turns if you were to wait before striking.

Incidentally, thanks for the compliment, I would like to play in a teamgame with you as well. Perhaps we could form an alliance against Geoschmo who is so eager to coerce both of us into surrendering? *Smirks*

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To continue, or not to continue, that is the Question. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Anyway, I'm here to set your game a turn back if you want.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">There's nobody in the middle of the Hill now so you have to wait.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">When someone surrenders to you, you get only one tech level from each tech area the surrender has better levels than you. So you got one level of fighters, one level of sensors, one level of combat support and one level of phased weapons.

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Slynky, don't forget to update the Ratings page with the result from your Koth game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ November 25, 2003, 14:59: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

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Yes I tend not to surrender except if the situation is really bad, but I was surprised as well when Loser and especially Deccan offered surrender as well in other games. I guess you don't see the hardships of the other Empire when everything is bright on your side. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

I thought of building weapon platforms, but my goal was to go on the offensive rather than waiting for you to attack. I know I wouldn't stand a chance if I didn't try to take advantage of my technological lead, given your skills and my smaller share of the galaxy. Thus my attacks, but I counted on my cloaked ships as well and the riot aftershock. It seems like you had the same thing in mind, but unlike you I didn't have sensors Online in every system so I failed to see your ships.

You have to know as well my economy was always flirting with the red line, as I believe I had fewer facilities than you. I spent most of the time with 5,000 minerals in storage and an income of... +10 to +1000 in this resource. The same thing went true for radioactives, PPB does cost a lot of these. So I couldn't afford to build both a fleet and weapon platforms while colonizing and developing my five or six huge, breathable gas giants. (Nor the time for that matter) The destruction of my first fleet of DUC Carriers was actually somewhat a blessing as well, as it helped my economy by reducing my upkeep costs by 5,000 minerals. But I would have preferred to destroy your shipyards before. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

If you don't mind answering this question (perhaps by e-mail?), could you tell me how do you handle training? That is, where do you build these facilities and when do you send your ships to training? I had such facilities, but given the poor lifespan of my ships, they weren't that useful. At this rate I will take Psychic just to have System-Wide training abilities, thus solving this problem. *Grumbles*

So yes, you would have won sooner or later, the best I could do was to hold down my two major systems in the eastern end of the galaxy with weapon platforms and other niceties, and I might even have survived, but not for long, especially as my homeworld was the only planet suitable for building quite a few weapon platforms (while having enough population to hold for a while in a fight) And of course, I will now check twice at least before each battle my default strategies. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif (You would expect ships with guns to have a Optimal Firing Range strategy, wouldn't you?) Good luck with your next games as well.

[ November 25, 2003, 16:49: Message edited by: Alneyan ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yeah, I'll get to it this evening. Yard work!

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Hey, Alneyan, I knew I was doing good when my missile ships kept swatting your DUC ships down, but your minefields surprised (didn't expect anyone to use mines in a Devnull game). Maybe I still could have won, but then I forgot that Devnull PDC don't hit fighters. Still sore about that. Grrr. But you won fair and square.

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Well, I thought about it Last night and this morning, I decided to take a good hard look at the game to see if what you were saying was really true. And it seems you may have been right in stopping the game. For one thing, I didn't know at the time that you had no platforms on any planets. That would make it easy for me to take a lot of planets from you. And with the stealth ships (6, I believe) I have moving toward systems behind the fighting, even more would fall. I have 22 almost fully trained ships in 2 trained fleets (20%) sitting in the north with 4 LCs in training so I don't think I have a worry there as your 12 carriers (and a few other ships) coming my way were not trained very much. In the far south, I had 9 ships (untrained) but you only have one carrier there. When you lost your small carrier fleet to my satellites there, it left me open to go on through the warp hole as the satellites guarded the hole very well, so there would be trouble there as well for you. And, finally, near the center of the map, I had 14 ships (fleet trained to 20% and most ships trained about half way) to match your 6 carriers. In that same system, I had another fleet training with about 9 ships doing repairs at 5 different yards (so they would be done repairing in about 2 - 3 turns).

I have 22 LC's in the yards with 9 coming out next turn. These have tachyon cannon 5 (to get rid of your carrier weapons) on them. And I was about 6 turns away from getting another colony type. Ripping your 2 carriers apart would give me ECM 3s (that's 225,000 research points), carriers/fighters, and PPB 5s.

I think your estimate was correct...the game could go on 10-20 more turns and I'd probably win in the long run. It would depend on how much damage my stealth ships would do behind lines and how much rioting it would cause and how much damage I could do where my fleets had the advantage in the south and middle.

So, I guess that's about it. Good luck in your next game. Oh, and I meant what I said about playing a team game with you any time. (as long as you remember to check your default strategy and make sure it isn't "Do Not Get Hurt"... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ).

So, Asmala, who's next on the Hill?

PS: A funny thing. I received all your tech from the surrender (ECM 3, Sensor 3, carriers, etc.) but only PPB 1. That's strange.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

Your ships destroyed my morale in a matter of turns indeed, and I was beginning to prepare the white flag when I thought about these marvellous fighters. And luckily for me, your ships couldn't/didn't try to attack my homeworlds, which were left undefended.

And if you would like another game, I am available, although we would have to hurry a bit as you will have to leave in a month or so.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I'd like to, but I can't until at least January or so. I don't have enough free time between getting things straightened out at work in time for my holiday and playing other PBW games, mainly scout's excellent BGNW and my KOTH game against Lord Chane (I think we're up to turn 192 or something).

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We shall see next year then if you do want to. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif (I know, I have too much time on my hands. *Smirks*)

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Well, my record stands! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
Asmala, move Gecko up, please.

Gecko, I hadn't encountered that stategy taken to that extreme before. Good job!

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">K.O.T.H. Nodachi vs Gecko
Default KOTH + No Intel
2403.2

Gecko defeats Nodachi. First contact was 2400.8: a Gecko scout warship entered Nodachi’s home system. Nodachi evidenced some surprise… http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Thanks Nodachi for a good game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Sorry I could not break your record for you. As for strategies: I lose more than I win, but I still like thinking “outside the box”.

Gecko

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

have you got any open games I can jump into?
I dont know how good ill be at 1vs1 but it might be interesting...

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">If you want to "jump" into KOTH, it's a good experience...take a look at the number of Posts on this thread. So, all you have to do is say you want to join up.

Then, if you would like some tips, take a look through this thread and you'll find some KOTH 1-1 tips.

Have fun!

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

ok then

"I want to join up!"
now what?

oh look for that thing on 1 on 1...
right..
125 pages oohh my .....

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

Asmala, who lives in Finland, will pair you up with someone at the bottom of the hill. You can take a look to see who is waiting on a game by clicking on the KOTH link on one of his Messages. Or one of Geoschmo's threads.

Good luck!

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Now just wait until you get an opponent. There was Alneyan waiting but it's first come first serve so Nodachi got that place. If you look at the KOTH page you notice yourself at the bottom of the hill. I assume you want to use the same nick in KOTH that you use in the Boards?

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ooooooOOOOoooo coool!
yeap se5a is good.
I use scout on pbw as it thinks that se5a is only 3 letters...

thanky!

[ November 29, 2003, 08:43: Message edited by: se5a ]

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-lands on his well-worn rump-

Looks like se5a gets to face me. Turn 68, I conceed to Geo. Note: shift-clicking two fleets of different speeds does NOT mean they will move together.

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KOTH page updated. (Yep, there is Se5a vs Phoenix-D game now)

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Ouch, is that what happened? I think that my fleet would have probably prevailed in the battle even against both fleets, having the first shot at the warp point. But getting them one at a time allowed me to survive in good enough shape to follow up the victory by cleaning out your system beyond.

Awesome job of doing the best you could with a bad situation Phoenix. You had me scrambling for a couple dozen turns there trying to run down all your raiders. Till I finally decided to give up chasing them and just build weapons platforms. I knew I'd lose some planets in the process, but also knew I could probably spare more then you could. Giving up chasing them allowed me to concentrate my fleets and go on the offensive.

Geoschmo

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Kazarp vs Geoschmo, turn 2400.5!!!

First contact. Wah Hoo! A knife fight. Haven't had one of these in a while. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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K.O.T.H. Slynky (Trithian Empire) vs Gecko (Andromedan Invaders)
Default KOTH, No Intel, Home Planet Value = Good
Tesco Map
2403.0

First blood to Slynky - Gecko loses four frigates to planetary minefields, just to keep Slynky honest http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif . Within the Last few turns, we have interpenetrated on two fronts.

We are both about 50/50 on KOTH wins/losses, so I am very interested to see how this plays out…

Gecko

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Only "Q" would know how this is going to turn out. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif We're still reeling from your first ship sighting. And we've been in 2nd place most of the game...sigh.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Ouch, is that what happened? I think that my fleet would have probably prevailed in the battle even against both fleets, having the first shot at the warp point. But getting them one at a time allowed me to survive in good enough shape to follow up the victory by cleaning out your system beyond.

Awesome job of doing the best you could with a bad situation Phoenix. You had me scrambling for a couple dozen turns there trying to run down all your raiders. Till I finally decided to give up chasing them and just build weapons platforms. I knew I'd lose some planets in the process, but also knew I could probably spare more then you could. Giving up chasing them allowed me to concentrate my fleets and go on the offensive.

Geoschmo </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yep, that's what happened. You probably would have won, but I was expecting that (needed to free up maintence), I was just trying to inflict losses and maybe scare you. But because of the way they went through, you got a short-range shoot first TWICE, which killed.

As with the raiders..I just finally realized that sitting back and waiting for Doomsday wasn't going to help, and that I might as well go down with an empty bank account.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">HEY http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

It's only turn 40...what's with the 30-ship fleet? Where is your gentlemanly honor? Wiping defensless colonies?

Hehe...more to come.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

this is fun, and I havent even met him yet...
the suspence is killing me!!!

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Chance of beating Kazarp when starting in adjacent systems = 99.9%.

Haven't had one in a while??? Lucky bastard. I hate those starts. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif Want to know how many I've had? Look at my number of losses in the standings and subtract 1. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[ December 06, 2003, 04:13: Message edited by: DavidG ]

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damn quote button near the edit...

[ December 06, 2003, 04:13: Message edited by: DavidG ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">K.O.T.H. Slynky (Trithian Empire) vs Gecko (Andromedan Invaders)
Default KOTH, No Intel, Home Planet Value = Good
Tesco Map
2404.3

Hey, I am just trying to remove as many Trithian stealth ship resupply destinations as possible. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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woo hoo! I have drawn the first blood http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Welcome to the fun, se5a!

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Techniclly I did but was taken by the stupid "misisle hits, does no damage" bug against planets. Of course, I just fried two of his escorts so we're about even..

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http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif yea, they were just feeling you out, I suspected they might die...

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">K.O.T.H. Slynky (Trithian Empire) vs Gecko (Andromedan Invaders)
Default KOTH, No Intel, Home Planet Value = Good
Tesco Map
2404.3

Hey, I am just trying to remove as many Trithian stealth ship resupply destinations as possible. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Like a LOT of KOTH games, your Geckness, I'm having a load of fun...regardless of win or lose! Great game! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yes, I agree this has been a fun and mentally stimulating game. Not the least because we have been doing runs of quick turn-around turns. We also have some great moves-countermoves going.

Just realized I have been posting to the forum for a year now. Maybe I gain a rank by the end of the month.

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ohhh this is exiting, Phoenix-D has been a little more agressive than me, but my defence has stood up to the chalange. in a 2X DUCfrig vs 1X CSMfrig battle my lone frigate nearly took out one of his DUC frigates, might have goten both if he didnt have all that armor on!!!

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K.O.T.H. Slynky (Trithian Empire) vs Gecko (Andromedan Invaders)
Default KOTH, No Intel, Home Planet Value = Good
Tesco Map
2407.5

I concede the game to Slynky. We had a great time - solid plays and good sportsmanship.

Up the Hill for Slynky, back to the recycler for me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Gecko

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2403.5 Nodachi vs Alneyan
Settings: a good start, 100,000 resources, high tech cost, no racial point, no intel, a Tesco map.

Thirteen frigates. It says it all. Nodachi was hiding a small fleet in my systems, fleet that took out a colony before mines were Online. Now I know why he has been leading as far as score is concerned until this turn, when I eventually took back the lead. I knew there was something planned, but I hadn't expected him to send that number of warships. Unless he has a strange conception of the meaning of the verb "to scout". *Giggles*

As far as I know, I have a bigger share of the galaxy under my greedy hands, and I would expect my economy to be stronger, but I don't quite like the looks of it. I mean, thirteen frigates lurking, it doesn't bode well. Thus the question: who will earn his first victory in a KOTH match, Nodachi or myself? The bets are open!

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I think it's about time to get back in the fun.
Asmala - Please place me back on the bottom, where I spend the majority of my time.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Welcome back!

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And a welcome from me too, Gandalph http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif . The more the merrier. After all, the KOTH competition, I would hazard, is the longest and most active one.

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I surrender to Baron Grazic KOTH Gozguy V Grazic. I not sure what hit me but after I stop rolling down the Hill put me up for a new game.

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I thank GozGuy for a good game, who never conceded until the very end, even though for most of the game I had him contained into 2 'good' systems, plus 2 other blockaded planets.
I was to afraid of his minefield & defenses to continue the attack until I could be sure of victory, only to learn there were no minefields or Sats. Good con, Goz. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif