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narf poit chez BOOM September 20th, 2005 10:21 PM

Re: qwerty!
 
Black holes are recycling depot's!

El_Phil September 20th, 2005 10:27 PM

Re: qwerty!
 
The problem is just dumping what you wanted to and not the whole ship with it.

Jack Simth September 21st, 2005 01:38 AM

mehmehmehmehmehmehmehmehmehmehmehmehmehmehmehmehme
 
There can be 16 and 2/3rd's "meh"'s. Hah.

The real trick is to lock one up and feed it very carefully - feed it basically any matter, and capture the radiation as energy - total conversion of matter to energy at E=mc^2 (and then you have a Hawking Generator). There are some downsides, though - your generator can go critical in one of two basic ways: underfeeding (energy output is proportional to an inverse of the black hole's mass, and it loses mass as it outputs energy - if you don't feed it enough, it explodes in a very big burst of some very hard radiation) but that's not so bad as the second, which is loss of containment (it gets loose, and starts feeding ... on anything and everything available - the atmosphere of your ship, your ship, the atmosphere of the planet your ship was parked over, the planet your ship was parked over, the star that planet used to orbit.... and everything on any of them, of course (though why you would have anything important on a star, I have no idea) - all that's left is a little black hole ... which eventually evaporates).

Overfeeding will tone it down (more mass -> lower energy output) but you can't rev it up again in a hurry if you need to, and raises the risk of a loss of containment.

narf poit chez BOOM September 21st, 2005 02:12 AM

Re: mehmehmehmehmehmehmehmehmehmehmehmehmehmehmehm
 
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Jack Simth September 21st, 2005 03:10 AM

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Quote:

narf poit chez BOOM said:
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Kamog September 21st, 2005 03:18 AM

11:59:59
 
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Strategia_In_Ultima September 21st, 2005 06:09 AM

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El_Phil September 21st, 2005 08:04 AM

Re: !
 
%

NullAshton September 21st, 2005 08:23 AM

Re: Meh...
 
What if you grab an artificial black hole that dissapates if you don't continue to generate it.

douglas September 21st, 2005 09:50 AM

Re: Stupid topic staying the same.
 
All that's needed to maintain a black hole is to keep shoving mass into it.

El_Phil September 21st, 2005 09:56 AM

Re: Stupid topic staying the same.
 
Or just turn the lights off in a white hole.

narf poit chez BOOM September 21st, 2005 12:03 PM

Re: Stupid topic staying the same.
 
... = Speechless.

Strategia_In_Ultima September 21st, 2005 01:12 PM

Re: XIV XV XVI XVII XVIII XIX XX XXI XXII XXIII
 
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif = laughing his butt off.

Emperor's Child September 21st, 2005 05:20 PM

Re: XIV XV XVI XVII XVIII XIX XX XXI XXII XXIII
 
Wha?

kerensky September 21st, 2005 07:31 PM

Re: XIV XV XVI XVII XVIII XIX XX XXI XXII XXIII
 
I was going to post some sort of snide off the wall remark, but my mind just wandered off again and I need to go retrieve it.................

El_Phil September 21st, 2005 08:00 PM

Re: XIV XV XVI XVII XVIII XIX XX XXI XXII XXIII
 
Off the wall, thats wallpaper isn't it?

narf poit chez BOOM September 21st, 2005 08:53 PM

Re: XIV XV XVI XVII XVIII XIX XX XXI XXII XXIII
 
Only if it's peeling.

Jack Simth September 21st, 2005 08:57 PM

Re: XXXIII XXXIV XXXV XXXVI XXXVII XXXVIII XXXIX
 
That's usually on the wall, unless you've been boiling too much water or something.

Kamog September 22nd, 2005 02:22 AM

XXXIX XL XLI XLII XLIII XLIV XLV XLVI
 
I wonder what wallpaper tastes like!

Jack Simth September 22nd, 2005 02:34 AM

XLVII XLVIII XLIX L LI LII LIII LIV LV LVI LVII
 
I don't know. I've never tried it. You could probably find out....

Suicide Junkie September 22nd, 2005 03:08 AM

Re: mehmehmehmehmehmehmehmehmehmehmehmehmehmehmehm
 
Quote:

Jack Simth said:
There are some downsides, though - your generator can go critical in one of two basic ways: underfeeding (energy output is proportional to an inverse of the black hole's mass, and it loses mass as it outputs energy - if you don't feed it enough, it explodes in a very big burst of some very hard radiation)
...

Not just proportional to 1/ mass, but to 1/mass^4 IIRC.

Dropping the mass by 10% increases power by about 52%
Half the mass -> 16 times the output.

So, yeah, quite unstable a reactor.

narf poit chez BOOM September 22nd, 2005 03:12 AM

Re: XLVII XLVIII XLIX L LI LII LIII LIV LV LVI LVI
 
Wall and paper?

Jack Simth September 22nd, 2005 10:01 AM

Re: TopicTopicTopicTopicTopicTopicMushroomMushroom
 
Quote:

Suicide Junkie said:
Not just proportional to 1/ mass, but to 1/mass^4 IIRC.

Dropping the mass by 10% increases power by about 52%
Half the mass -> 16 times the output.

So, yeah, quite unstable a reactor.

Hence, "an inverse" rather than "the inverse" in the earlier post - couldn't quite remember the power, but knew it was > 1.

narf poit chez BOOM September 22nd, 2005 02:08 PM

Re: TopicTopicTopicTopicTopicTopicMushroomMushroom
 
mass^4? Wouldn't that possibly imply that gravity is four-dimensional?

El_Phil September 22nd, 2005 02:11 PM

Spleen
 
Much as like the idea of black hole reactor, we are getting somewhat sidetracked from the usual insanity round here.

This is a good thing, keep it up.

NullAshton September 22nd, 2005 03:23 PM

Re: Science!
 
Science is weirder than fiction. Remember that.

El_Phil September 22nd, 2005 03:34 PM

Re: Science!
 
Well I asked the purple fruitbat in my closet about that, he replied that the influence of cats on the development of external combustion was much under-rated.

narf poit chez BOOM September 22nd, 2005 03:37 PM

Re: Science!
 
Hah! They stole that idea! And guess who they stole it from?!

Strategia_In_Ultima September 22nd, 2005 04:23 PM

Re: mehmehmehmehmehmehmehmehmehmehmehmehmehmehmehm
 
Yusuf Islam?

Emperor's Child September 22nd, 2005 05:12 PM

Re: Science!
 
Quote:

NullAshton said:
Science is weirder than fiction. Remember that.

Recall that in the days when start trek was first shot, computers were as large as a house and only performed calculations roughly equivalent to our calculators of today.

Wolfman77 September 22nd, 2005 05:21 PM

Re: Science!
 
1 Attachment(s)
Heres a neat pic. Shows how bad we can predict the future.

NullAshton September 22nd, 2005 05:31 PM

Re: Science!
 
Personally, computers now are ever so much better than computers in TOS.

NullAshton September 22nd, 2005 05:38 PM

Re: Science!
 
That picture is a hoax, you know.

Wolfman77 September 22nd, 2005 05:41 PM

Re: Science!
 
Still funny.

kerensky September 22nd, 2005 11:28 PM

Re: XLVII XLVIII XLIX L LI LII LIII LIV LV LVI LVII
 
It has lots of fiber in it and the glue makes it very chewy...

Kamog September 23rd, 2005 01:15 AM

Re: XLVII XLVIII XLIX L LI LII LIII LIV LV LVI LVI
 
The history of computers is fascinating. When I visited the Science Museum in London a couple of weeks ago, they had some of Charles Babbage's mechanical computers on display, along with Babbage's brain. [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon07.gif[/img]

Jack Simth September 23rd, 2005 01:56 AM

Re: LVII LVIII LIX LX LXI LXII LXIII LXIV LXV LXVI
 
Kinda a pitty the last in that list doesn't appear to function anymore....

El_Phil September 23rd, 2005 08:40 AM

Re: LVII LVIII LIX LX LXI LXII LXIII LXIV LXV LXVI
 
That's what mad science is for. Or possibly Voodoo in this case.

NullAshton September 23rd, 2005 04:39 PM

Re: LVII LVIII LIX LX LXI LXII LXIII LXIV LXV LXV2
 
Voodoo cards were actually superior to other cards at the time. It failed because of lack of advertising, I believe.

kerensky September 23rd, 2005 11:01 PM

Re: LVII LVIII LIX LX LXI LXII LXIII LXIV LXV LXV3
 
Voodoo cards were really nice. I remember a friend of mine had one....

Ih and by the way, did anyone notice that we are coming up on two thousand posts?

Jack Simth September 23rd, 2005 11:19 PM

Re: LXVIII LXIX LXX LXXI LXXII LXXIII LXXIV LXXV
 
I haven't been watching the post count, no - just having fun with Roman Numerals for a while.

kerensky September 24th, 2005 12:14 AM

Re: LXVIII LXIX LXX LXXI LXXII LXXIII LXXIV LXXivv
 
yeah roman numeral are fun...

Especially when you can't remember much about them.

Jack Simth September 24th, 2005 03:28 AM

Re: LXXVI LXXVII LXXVIII LXXIX LXXX LXXXI LXXXII
 
Roman numerals are an odd system:
Base symbols with their numeric meanings, encountered individually:
I = 1
V = 5
X = 10
L = 50
C = 100
D = 500
M = 1000

Now, if a smaller value is on the right of a larger value, they add; so
VI = 6
XI = 11
LI = 51
CI = 101
DI = 501
MI = 1001

If an I, X, or C value is to the left of a larger value (which also must not pass the next X, C, or M value up), the smaller value is subtracted from the larger value; thus:
IV = 4
IX = 9
XL = 40
XC = 90
CD = 400
CM = 900

If there are two or threee the same symbol (selected from I, X, C, M only) in a row, they add:

II = 2
XX = 20
CC = 200
MM = 2000
III = 3
XXX = 30
CCC = 300
MMM = 3000

These are cumulative; 1999 would be written as MCMXCIX: 1000 + (1000 - 100) + (100 - 10) + (10 - 1) while 2005 would be written as MMV: 1000 + 1000 + 5

For numbers over 4000, there's a an extra notation - a bar over the top multiplies whatever is underneath it by 1000.

One page on the subject - there's more, if you search

narf poit chez BOOM September 24th, 2005 03:36 AM

Re: LXVIII LXIX LXX LXXI LXXII LXXIII LXXIV LXXivv
 
I can do one to thirteen real good. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Jack Simth September 24th, 2005 03:53 AM

Re: LXXXIII LXXXIV LXXXV LXXXVI LXXXVII LXXXVIII
 
1 to 50, and I can translate (eventually) just about any integer > 0 I choose.
I
II
III
IV
V
VI
VII
VIII
IX
X
XI
XII
XIII
XIV
XV
XVI
XVII
XVIII
XIX
XX
XXI
XXII
XXIII
XXIV
XXV
XXVI
XXVII
XXVIII
XXIX
XXX
XXXI
XXXII
XXXIII
XXXIV
XXXV
XXXVI
XXXVII
XXXVIII
XXXIX
XL
XLI
XLII
XLIII
XLIV
XLV
XLVI
XLVII
XLVIII
XLIX
L

narf poit chez BOOM September 24th, 2005 05:22 AM

Re: LXXXIII LXXXIV LXXXV LXXXVI LXXXVII LXXXVIII
 
I used to know the one for 100 - I think it's 'C'.

NullAshton September 24th, 2005 09:49 AM

Re: LXXXIII LXXXIV LXXXV LXXXVI LXXXVII LXXXVIII
 
Didn't he just say that?

Jack Simth September 24th, 2005 03:11 PM

Re: LXXXIX XC XCI XCII XCIII XCIV XCV XCVI XCVII
 
Seems a rather nonsensical order.

Which is fine, for this thread.

?sdrawkcab s'ti spahreP

Kamog September 24th, 2005 03:15 PM

Re: LXXXIX XC XCI XCII XCIII XCIV XCV XCVI XCVII
 
For some reason, on some clocks 4 is IIII and not IV.

Why is 1999 MCMXCIX and not something simpler like MIM?

Jack Simth September 24th, 2005 03:26 PM

Re: XCVIII XCIX C CI CII CIII CIV CV CVI CVII
 
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