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I know you're very busy at this time but, was still surprised to see your POST #157 in "Ukraine OOB..." .
Though for the record I don't feel you saw the following or maybe just forgot them so again refer back to the first line above. The first you actually did respond to concerning the T-84 in which I provided very viable FOC date for both the T-84 and M-80 APC. Your response asked if I meant it for the Ukraine instead of me posting it for Croatia. Page 187/Posts 1869 & 1870. On LEOPARD 2A7A1/2A8 please see Page 189/Post 1881. From ref. 1... "The Leopard 2A7A1 serves as a bridge until the production of the new Leopard 2A8 variant begins, with first deliveries expected by 2027. The A7A1 version was developed to incorporate the Trophy active protection system without making significant changes to the Leopard 2A7V tank's structure. " "Therefore, the A7A1 is expected to be slightly heavier than the A8, because the Trophy system needed to be integrated into the existing turret rather than a newly designed one with additional equipment." Both of the above statements on their own merits are suggesting there is little to no difference between the LEOPARD 2A7V and the LEOPARD 2A7A1 but TROPHY. And you also have the following... "Apart from that, the A7A1 variant is similar to the A8 variant, which will soon be delivered to many European countries, becoming the standard tank for NATO European nations. It's noteworthy that the purchase list includes countries such as the Czech Republic, Croatia, Lithuania, and the Netherlands." From ref. 2... "MAIN BATTLE TANKS-A MARKET ON THE RISE" "Apart from that, the A7A1 variant is similar to the A8 variant, which will soon be delivered to many European countries, becoming the standard tank for NATO European nations. It's noteworthy that the purchase list includes countries such as the Czech Republic, Croatia, Lithuania, and the Netherlands." Hungry has also expressed interest in those tanks. We are not at this time dealing with a "Super Tank" which is why I haven't submitted either for the following... 1) Germany only recently received the first built LEOPARD 2A7A1 tank as noted above. 2) Besides the fact I've been following and posting on these tanks and others for years now, it takes time to ferret out what the differences between these tanks and the newer versions of others (LeClerc LXR which is on track to meet FOC before the others.) involved. I do expect the LEOPARD 2A8 will have a new turret as the refs. are referring to it but, this IS NOT fully resolved yet. I did last year (Near end I believe.) make a very through update on all the newcomers yet to come in this Thread. I believe it might lie between the above ones MAYBE I listed at the top of this page [b]some might find it useful. The caveat is to be mindful that it was written before it was disclosed that the END is now 2030. Even with that I believe one or two might be outside that window. Because I don't post all the time doesn't mean I'm not tracking don't forget I tracked ARJUN, ALTAY and ARMATA and a couple of others for well over a decade and a couple I'm still doing so Oh yeah, a thing called the AJAX as well. All the rest are just "more flies on the ointment" If not sure just ask I most likely already have the information someone might want. :D :p ;) I have issues to address, so have a good night! Regards, Pat :capt: 11/26 EDIT: Contracts signed M-84/M-80 APC should be in Ukraine just arrived. Date as above for should be good to allow for transitional training. https://www.armyrecognition.com/focu...nks-to-ukraine |
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This was all dealt with a month ago so IDK why we are going over all this again
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If anyone finds a top-down photo or blueprint of the Turkish Alpar unmanned ground vehicle please post the link
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I decided the Chinese tanks (and their various export models ) were LONG overdue for a do-over
6x normal size Still a WIP https://i.imgur.com/imfK9XT.png |
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I had them in the OOB for 10/2024......... close...........now adjusted
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Good to know my "WHATMAKESSENSE-A-METER" still works once in a while. :D
Also... Czech Republic: More LEOPARD 2A4 tanks on the way. This will be the 3rd batch under the "Ring Swap" trade that saw Czech T-72 tanks go to the Ukraine. Tahttps://www.armyrecognition.com/news/army-news/army-news-2024/rheinmetall-confirms-order-of-leopard-2a4-tanks-from-czech-republic France: Could the Leclerc Evolution be gaining traction again? https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...-combat-system Taiwan: : Taking on the lessons learned in the Ukraine. https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...-drone-defense Bangladesh: Lest we forget they have tanks. https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...ia-and-myanmar Germany: We knew this was coming but, with the contract just signed it doesn't look like anyone but Germany is to get it, unless they order it themselves. https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...ith-trophy-aps That's enough for now. :sick: Regards, Pat :capt: EDIT Just felt I needed to add this. I don't believe I've seen this in such a manner as this. That WAS ONE DAM FINE SALUTE. It made me feel honored. With that said, I extend this to all of you that have served for the various countries in our community. https://x.com/espn/status/1867983843...9551783ei%3D49 |
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Here is an interesting little tidbit I was not aware of until recently........it may be old news to some of you though
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Unlike AJAX (Though it has improved some.), CHALLENGER 3 is moving along as planned.
However, as I've already posted Rheinmetall BAE Systems Land (RBSL) and the MOD's plan doesn't coincide with our Plan 2030 (As borrowed from the USMC.) though there is a chance we'll see in 2030. From the ref. exactly as quoted in my past posts out here... "The first deliveries are scheduled for 2027, and full operational capability is expected by 2030." https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...y-field-trials Lithuania: Yes, I know but the point is history being made and another now confirmed "win" for Germany. The other point here there is "no timeline" not unusual in that the more foreign contracts signed the cheaper the overall cost will be to the BUNDESWEHR for their LEOPARD A2B. Same as for the F-35A/B and South Korea selling all those K2 tanks to Poland to lower the cost of their own now that K2 PIP is DOA for almost 2 yrs. now. Higher volume results in lower production costs across the board. https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...h-knds-germany Vietnam: Well they're getting some tanks always a good thing with China across the border. The only real limitation I see compared to just about all Western tanks (60-degree side slope capability.) is that this model can only handle a 30–40-degree side slope capability not much of tactical advantage in the mountainous sections of Vietnam. https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...ion-in-defense Well, I need to get some sleep before getting behind the wheel. Going to spend Christmas week at the daughters in the Tampa area and FINISH MY ANTI-BIOTICS SAFELY AWAY FROM WORK!?! :D :fire: my Lt. after Sat. night already feels safer!! ;) Anyway, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year-however you celebrate it. To everyone :you: !! Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Those units are already in the game ( Unit 33 ) https://defence-blog.com/vietnam-rec...e-t-90s-tanks/ Quote:
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A million in only one year? Sounds like their preparing for war. With the extreme population they have, they might be capable of making a billion in a fraction of time it would take most other countries. Woe to anyone that pisses them off.
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Drones are the "New Normal" for combat operations.
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About Egypt our spec built export M1A1 as I remember was as good or a little better than “SA” minus the DU armor. If they just got the approval to go ahead that means these tanks are about 1.5yrs. down the road as I posted a couple of plus years ago or longer on the U.S. RESET production timeline.
A million drones for Taiwan and fair number for Russia for humanitarian purposes!?! :rolleyes: China is on the clock 2025-2027 he doesn’t care who’s sitting the Whitehouse. He wants the “chips” though Taiwan suppositly has rigged their production facilities for destruction if he tries to invade. Also Taiwan is building facilities outside of the country should the worst case scenario happen, might be here don’t remember at this time where I read it. Taiwan is the worlds leading producer of chips certainly of the high end ones. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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I have a “sense” that maybe my last on the importance of Taiwan as the dominate chip maker in the world was sounding like “There he goes again about “economics” and the military and or war.
Simply put the U.S. sees the above issue as having a direct impact on our strategic interests. Arizona is where the new plant is being built as we speak. Also Intel is also building a plant now which should start full production within the year. Some thought really should be given to the fact where our DOD is getting our advanced chips from and how China getting their hands on it would affect not only our defense but most of Europes as well. Here’s the reality check… https://researchcentre.trtworld.com/...versification/ There are plenty more on the web about this. The above from Oct. 2024. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Everything is interconnected and everything is important and computer chips are critical
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I think some of us realized this day would come and I knew when it was captured where it was going much like we know (Or should.) that 2 of the captured T-90M are being "scrutinized" in the U.S. and the other somewhere near the Polish border for NATO to have a look.
Our loss will have much less to no impact for us, as much as the T-90M has much more serious impact on Russia. https://www.armyrecognition.com/focu...red-in-ukraine As I've stated several times on the matter no country is going to send another country any piece of combat equipment "with all the bells and whistles" unless they are directly involved in the conflict themselves such as Russia is now. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Interesting....
Ukrainian forces craft 'Frankenstein' tank from Russian wrecks The Ukrainian armed forces have ingeniously assembled a tank from parts of destroyed Russian machines, aptly naming it "Frankenstein." The first images of this creation have surfaced online. In the face of the aggressor's superior equipment, such initiatives become invaluable. Despite these efforts, Russia continues to hold the initiative on the front lines. The Ukrainian armed forces have demonstrated outstanding creativity by assembling a tank from components salvaged from destroyed Russian machines. The vehicle, known as "Frankenstein," exemplifies the innovation and adaptability of Ukrainians confronting enemy superiority. This tank, commanded by the 12th Azov Special Purpose Brigade, is made up of various components. The turret and gun are sourced from a Russian T-90M, while the hull is fortified with dynamic armour and side shields resembling those of the T-80BVM.... Read more https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world...45ae3e59&ei=57 |
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Well, they finally got there on Jan. 18th ...
"Breaking News: Poland Receives First 28 US M1A2 SEP V3 Tanks Bolstering Europe's Tank Superpower Status." There are somethings that'll need to get done but this and other sites I use will let us know when they get fielded (FOC). I think we have them set for FOC this Summer/Fall I believe. This article is full of good info to include the current status of all types of MBTs currently in service. I hope you'll take the time to read it and maybe clear up and "mystery" on their tank situation both currently and in the foreseeable future. https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...erpower-status The following was intended for another thread until I watched it all the way through. As some might remember my "Marine Buddy" of which I'm PROUD to say has me listed as one of a couple of her friends on her page and Suhiir on mine, hashed out and settled the USMC M1A1 FEP issue as professionals do and made the appropriate changes. However, as these things go, sometimes some might still have doubts and if this video doesn't convince you well just maybe you might need some "blue light" glasses. :dk: Based on the fact the ACV is in the video, that pushes the timeline out to the end of the CORPS time with tanks. I will "point" you to the turret and the ones who tracked the issue overtime will notice something is not there as was thought. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/techn...e84076d9&ei=17 Also provides a good understanding of what's involved with an Amphibious Operation. I've kept all my PM's from Suhiir (And John "IMP" also.) as they both were there when I first started out here and encouraged, pushed and made suggestions how to produce a "better product" and also importantly how to build a "partnership" with Don. I still look at those messages from time to time when things are tough for the reasons noted above and more. They say "You can never go back. " but nothing says that... "You can't look back to get clarity in the present and perspective in dealing with the future." You should always remember those that impacted your life for the good and bad as long as you learned from the experience to change what you need to or stay the course. Alan J. Metzer MMCS/SS March 1982 in Williamsburg, Va. my Navy Recruiter. And there you have it. You decide where he stands. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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POLAND/M1A2P/UNIT 007/CHANGE/START/OCT 2025. // Change is needed due to 1st delivery just made on 18 JAN. I would think the new START will be close enough to allow for acceptance trails, maintenance and training. The more conservative side says JAN. 2026 but the Polish armed services professionalism is far improved from where it was even ~15 years ago. We'll see. Again...
https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...erpower-status Forgot we did "letter" tags for the export version the M1A2 SEP 3. USA: The M1A3 Abrams, referred to as the M1E3 has started industry/military trials as discussed in the next. This tank was decided upon when the USA in SEP. 2023 cancelled the M1A2D/M1A2 SEP 4. The M1A3 will be the beneficiary of both the M1A2D and the AbramsX technology demonstrator. One of the key elements it will be fully equipped to counter BOTH drones and loitering munitions amongst other improvements. It also discusses the state of European tank development and confirms what I thought concerning CHALLENGER 3 (UK MOD better get going on this if we're to see this tank. No change to the MOD IOC (2025) and the FOC late 2030.) Franco-German Main Ground Combat System (MGCS) is designed to replace the Leopard 2 and Leclerc tanks by the mid-2030s. https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...n-battle-tanks Regards, Pat :capt: |
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LEOPARD 1A5's on the attack equipped with "Tanks are often fitted with jammers to reduce the effectiveness of conventional FPV drones (excluding fiber-optic models)".
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...a797ff72&ei=51 Really gotta go now! Regards, Pat :capt: |
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I'm posting this for two reasons.
One it backs up the upgrades we did for this tank and I'm not at all surprised by its battlefield "exploits" in the RL. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...f260ad5f&ei=72 Two I don't think that MAYBE except by increasing the Stridsvagn 122 tanks "EW" that there is another option to make something like the following work or not. I speak of the SAAB BARRACUDA Camo System that's on the Swedish armor already for about a year now. It is generally considered the best system out there and I believe (Though it needs further research on my part.) the USA is testing it. Even if this turns out to be only for "GP" it's worth posting just to see where this technology is currently. Having some experience in like systems it's meant to defeat, I have to be honest and say I'm impressed by all I saw from the following website. That "TI" section "almost" reminded me of when near the end of "PREDATOR" when the Alien was hunting for "Arnie" in the scene where he had covered himself with mud (Which really works just in case you need it!) ;) in the final battle sequence. Certain people here know it takes a lot for me to feel that way about equipment issues. This is Top 3 for me. To hide something like a tank with those results is a significant battlefield advantage at least in the "RL" Again, if for no other reason, I hope some of you find this of some interest anyway. https://www.saab.com/products/mcs-mo...ouflage-system Awesome! Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Off topic a bit but if anyone can find what the Dutch are using for SPATGM vehicles now I need to know
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On Polish tanks:
009 M1A1P - much better icon, with an appropriate camo is 3898 (winter 2526, desert 1085). Polish M1A1 have pretty basic kit on the turret (my photo: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...G_20240903.jpg). Apparently they have no additional side armour - it rather should be 12, like USMC ones. M1A1P designation is not used (at least not in Poland), they are USMC M1A1 FEP with additional modifications (BTW, USMC oob unit 467 M1A1HC FEP uses icon 3898) As for now, I haven't found info when they could be considered operational (however, since 2022 Polish troops trained in Poland using 22 lent US M1A2) 007 M1A2P - actually, I'd give M1A2 the same icon - they are hard to be distinguished in practice, while the camouflage is the best. Polish M1A2 haven't such heavy stowage anyway. 036 K2PL - K2PL will be a designation of a polonized variant, this is just K2. I believe, that the gun should be original South Korean (with better performance than "120 mm Mesko"). Korean APFSDS K276 and Heat K277 are bought (both 600 RHA, albeit from shorter L/44 barrel, however Korea has also better K279 APFSDS) (source: Wojsko i Technika 4/23) Machine guns are in a mess (numbers copied from South Korea) - there should be 7.62 mm CMG (original is M60, but #71 7.62mm M240 CMG is enough approximation) and #176 50cal M2 AAMG. Delivered to the first unit since 12/22, and after modification of radios and basic training, first firing on a proving ground was in late 3/23, so 4/23 might be the earliest practical date (of course, full certification of a battalion will last 36 months...) |
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We decided to use the K2PL for our purposes to distinguish them from South Koreas K2 (Minor fixes to come for that and about two more due to "New" ALTAY.) and the other K2 export tanks to other countries which are in the "pipeline" due the games 2030 extension. The same process is there for the other export versions of tanks that were submitted to include also the M1A2P and M1A2T.
I did this and discussed it with Don along the lines and again due to the game's extension, that if we (U.S by way of example.) upgrade our M1A2 that we have the clear distinction of that being applied just to the USA version. Because I envisioned the posts "flying" about why isn't ours getting updated also as well? If a foreign user updates their version (ABRAMS/K2/LEOPARD/CHALLENGER etc.) we can more easily focus on that country's version as the information "points" us to it without overly stressing about whose version gets what. I can almost guarantee this will happen as I've modeled the LEOPARD 2A8 but as posted in this thread with refs., there's not much difference between it and the LEOPARD A27V with the biggest difference is it will have TROPHY. I made some small adjustments in the LEOPARD 2A8 simply to again establish a SMALL degree of separation with the LEOPARD 2A7V. Why the above? Mostly to establish platforms to further develop the Export version of the LEOPARD 2A8. This will get me what I need for it. I'm closely tracking the orders for the export version again because of the games extension I see maybe 2 countries getting them near end of the game. Now to tie up this whole issue and process I already know of 5/6 countries are wanting this tank probably as it stands now HUNGRY might be the first deviation of the "generic" planned Export version. But a lot can happen well before they get them (2028/2029.) and further at least one country has recently backed off from that purchase as they wish to buy more tanks along the lines of the export LEOPARD, we already have based on the LEOPARD 2A7 in the game. When you're a small country more is better! What I really wanted to post is that of one of the 2nd or 3rd tanks I put in here when I started. It backs what I posted back then but it also provided some information I didn't know about it at the time. Kind've sounds like the "TRAP" we find ourselves in once in a while ourselves with equipment I.E. Newer information arises from "CREDIBLE" references. Anyway... https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opini...dd5c54d9&ei=11 To the EW test I'm honestly afraid I'll "Blow Something Up" :doh: and that will make me suffer the following... :pc: :sec: :fire: :yield: "A man has to know his limitations" if it's not CyberSec I generally avoid it. If anyone else is feeling "FROGGY" feel free. :D Regards, Pat :capt: |
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I want to start with a simple there must be "someone in charge" you need to only to look at what happened today at Torontos Airport today.
Shows the value of wearing a "seat belt" wherever you find them. :D M-10 BOOKER update: Currently conducting Winter Trials. Also to tighten the START recommend AUG 2025 based on the following quote. "The Army plans to field 14 M10 Bookers per IBCT, with the 82nd Airborne Division receiving the first units by late FY2025" The conservative dates since the above doesn't say how many they'll get would be DEC 2025/JAN 2026 to ENSURE at least one maybe two ICBT's are FULLY equipped. Also, this will provide a certain amount of flexibility if the remaining tests should uncover anything unforeseen. https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...-in-the-arctic I've been told by several of my co-workers (Source our TRNG LT.) that since we started our new physical standards testing of which I do the 2-mile walk (There is a 1.5 mile run in 16'30".)(Only as we are closely monitored.) in 32' minutes or less I hold the two fastest times since we've started. 27' flat NOV. 23 and 26'37" MAR. 24. That's 4.5mph+. My goal is in the morning is 26' flat. It'll be cold that's a plus. Someone I went back out to help on the course last year to make sure he finished the last +1/4 (He wouldn't make it otherwise when we checked his interval time.) will be going out with me again tomorrow. Sad thing is I'll be 67 in June and I'm doing this against co-workers that in some cases are over 40 years younger-how can that be!?! Then to work later in the day. :) Yes, I'm mentally preparing myself and bottom-line JUST better than last year wouldn't be so bad either. Time to relax. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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I don't see the ARMY sending a Section into Combat but, I certainly can see them sending a Platoon into combat if needed.
Just my thought. Walk- 26' 2" that's better than a hand grenade! Regards, Pat :capt: |
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This is a carry over from my last in the APC Thread regarding the 30mm turret for the ACV.
I used to use a site called “blueprints.com” which I found is now a “dead site” that actually had a somewhat fair amount of listings of turrets used commonly on a variety of platforms. I spent some time looking for an alternative site and the following seems like it would be a good start for many of you possibly. https://drawingdatabase.com/category/vehicles/military/ Scroll to bottom of page to search by type/maker. Back to Vacation. I hope it will be of some help. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Guys
On january 13/ 2025 slipped and fell on ice in my backyard. It was sudden and I KNEW I Had hurt myself as soon as I hit the ground BUT I got myself up and continued what I had been doing and didn't have any real "symptoms" I felt justified a trip to the Emergancy department of a local hospital until Febuary 18 / 2025 AS A result I do not know if I am capable of moving forward with the games and ASSEMBLING.THE PATCHES HAS ALWAYS BEEN MY RESPONSIBILITY[/b]...only time will tell but I May not be able to carry on and I am just putting EVERYONE on notice about that my ONE HOPE is that I start gettin better soon Don |
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Don,
I PREY YOU GET BETTER. NOTHING ELSE MATTERS BUT YOUR FAMILY, YOUR HEALTH AND WHAT WILL PROBALY BE THE HARDEST ;), LISTENING TO YOUR DOCTORS! GET WELL!! Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Gravity, that heartless *****.
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Don,
Get well soon, forget the patch, get plenty of rest, else nothing matters but your health. Best Wishes, Warwick |
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Thank you Warwick
My wife tells me I am getting better but someone observing has a better perspective than someone at the eye of the storm. I get tired much quicker than 3 months ago but I HAVE done things in the last week I had tried and failed two weeks ago See post #1904 of this thread --the revised Chinese tanks It's a VERY simple thing which is why it was so frustrating not being able to do it and this really is a fundamental of "Icon building 101" but a few days ago I had a breakthrough moment and FINALLY figured out how to create a unified Hull / Turret Icon............I COULD NOT DO THAT when I came home from hospital... now I can. It's small progress but progress nonetheless Also heartening is the fact that after I had my stroke in 2015 it took me six weeks to get back the typing skill I got back in 2 weeks now Don |
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Dear Don,
I am sorry to hear that you had a nasty fall. Best thing you can do is take a load off and get well. We'll all be here when you are 100% again. In the meantime, Godspeed! Best Regards, RecruitMonty |
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As I just posted in the FB Patch Thread along comes this in the news a few minutes ago how timely as it refers to that particular Post concerning Hungry. Hungry is asserting that Ukraine's latest counter Drone strikes against Russia is "An attack on our sovereignty."
https://www.newsweek.com/hungary-nat...ucture-2053150 Being about 700 miles from the front lines, I think Mordovia, Romania, Baltic States and Finland have a lot more to worry about. :rolleyes: If I were Hungry, I'd be quiet and sitting on my hands if you wanted that German equipment. Why? Because Germany has of this writing passed its largest Defense and Infrastructure Bill since WWII. They just might decide to keep those LEOPARD 2A8HU tanks for themselves as it won't take much to upgrade them to German BUNDESWEHR Specs. They do have about 4 or 5 other prospective customers for them as well. This bill will be a GREAT help to the Ukraine... "It is also an important moment for Ukraine. The defence plans approved today by the Bundestag also allow spending on aid for states "attacked in violation of international law" to be exempt from the debt brake." Maybe they will get them to "battle test" the export version. Germany is certainly holding all the cards while Hungry might only be holding a "pair". https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62z6gljv2yo . Verification of passage of the bill... https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...f940d67b&ei=28 Regards, Pat :capt: |
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