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Re: Undead retreated?

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Originally posted by Taqwus:
Life drain attacks inherent to monsters -- ghosts, vampires, horrors, et al -- are generally melee-only. The life drain spell, on the other hand, has some range. Wielded against undead, neither provides the usual healing and reinvigoration side effect.
Ghosts are not terrifically strong against undead, particularly undead with magical attack forms since the magical weapons ignore etherealness. I'd probably prefer undead archers, for their ability to hit the undead masses before meleeing, and since banefire arrows are conveniently magical; it might be possible to do fire-and-run attacks with them.

I apologize. I've forgotten about their undead status...

Somebody has to check whether the life drain of ghost is effective versus SG undeads. They're undeads but they're not inanimate or lifeless. Most of the weapon of SG require a check versus MR. Ghost's MR is quite high. That will be a plus.

For fodder, it's probably easier to just used "Dispossessed Spirits" that you've already researched. 4 gems for 15 of them. It's a good buy. Since you also get nature, you can crank up the protection of Vine men or Vine Ogres. They're lousy junk. But they're cheap. There is no point fighting mass of undeads with elite troops. It's your priests who will be doing the job any way.

Bane lords are usable but you need some way for him to kill the ethereal undeads in massive number before being overwhelmed. SG's dispossed spirits will be extremely nasty in this case, because after enough hits, they might eventually paralyze your Bane Lords. I think they can even paralyze mindless summons like Winter Wolves - don't ask me why http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif . "Charcoal Shield" might indeed the only economical way.

The battle will be cute as it would be an two almost identical armies of undeads fighting each other http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif .

What I meaned hopeless is more because: if you're down to the Last one or two provinces, his troop production will overwhelm you sooner or later unless somebody else step in and attack him now.

Re: Undead retreated?

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Originally posted by ywl:
What I meaned hopeless is more because: if you're down to the Last one or two provinces, his troop production will overwhelm you sooner or later unless somebody else step in and attack him now.

Caelum, Jotunheim, Pythium, I think Man, and soon T'ien Ch'i will be attacking Ermor.

Re: Undead retreated?

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Originally posted by Argitoth:
Caelum, Jotunheim, Pythium, I think Man, and soon T'ien Ch'i will be attacking Ermor.

This is the most diplomatically inappropriate thing ever posted in a public place.

Ye Gods, but you're an idiot, Argitoth.

Edit: Actually I take this back. It's actually quite clever to sabotage everyone's relations with Ermor, and entirely in your interest to do so.

Its still unspeakably asinine, though. /edit

As for the actual assertion,.. Ermor and I have perfectly peaceful relations, or at least we DID. ;(

I'll thank you not to presume too much from death gem donations for the common good.

Celestial Rabe the Appalled

[ March 26, 2004, 20:48: Message edited by: rabelais ]

Re: Undead retreated?

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Originally posted by Argitoth:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ywl:
What I meaned hopeless is more because: if you're down to the Last one or two provinces, his troop production will overwhelm you sooner or later unless somebody else step in and attack him now.

Caelum, Jotunheim, Pythium, I think Man, and soon T'ien Ch'i will be attacking Ermor. <hr /></blockquote>Are you posting other players' plans here? I sure hope you have their consent in revealing them, otherwise it is a diplomatic faux pas of the highest order. Nations have burned for less.

On the other hand, if it is an ingeniously planted piece of misinformation intended to sow dissension between current allies but future enemies, my congratulations.

Re: Undead retreated?

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I strongly disagree, hence I am trying my best.<hr /></blockquote>Aye, that's the spirit. Never give up, never surrender!

Re: Undead retreated?

hohOWAhwHAWAAAHHAAA!!! Flames FrOM AFAR!! flAMES fROM AfARR!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

[ March 27, 2004, 00:13: Message edited by: Argitoth ]

Re: Undead retreated?

Aren't you inside a castle?

I can't believe so many people gave you free gems to cast that. Ermor's not that big a threat.

Re: Undead retreated?

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Originally posted by Yossar:
Aren't you inside a castle?

I can't believe so many people gave you free gems to cast that. Ermor's not that big a threat.

Yes, I only have my home province right now.

They didn't give me that that many gems. I had most of it myself. Well of Misery will also boost everyone's economy except Ermor's. I'm the host and if I die, I'll still have to run the server, that will stink.

[ March 27, 2004, 01:54: Message edited by: Argitoth ]

Re: Undead retreated?

Why are you worried about fires from afar then?

I got killed ridiculously early in the first game I hosted. Kind of annoying to have to host a game I wasn't in, but it's unfiar to everyone else not to.

Re: Undead retreated?

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Originally posted by Yossar:
Why are you worried about fires from afar then?

I got killed ridiculously early in the first game I hosted. Kind of annoying to have to host a game I wasn't in, but it's unfiar to everyone else not to.

It was a joke! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif i don't think i can explain the joke. It's like, flaming... you know? flaming a thread?