Re: a very small suggestion for the next patch for ryhleh ( devs plz read )
 

Sounds easy enough (and fun enough) to code, to me... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

The tricky/annoying part would/might be deconflicting incompatible types for the new Groups.

PvK

[ July 12, 2004, 17:27: Message edited by: PvK ]

Re: a very small suggestion for the next patch for ryhleh ( devs plz read )
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">IMO, the tricky part is what's involved with the "remembering" aspect of your proposal. I think you underestimate the data structures that'd be needed to do this.

In light of what I've previously posted on this subject, were I the responsible dev, I'd first code a basic (and no-cost) "dismiss" functionality (to close the existing hole in the game's design) and then, later, enhance the dismiss functionality (in one or more ways as per various suggestions) in the form of a new "feature" added to that basic function. It's the principle of stepwise refinement. Build complex systems up from simpler ones. It's easier to do than biting off a big task in one chomp. Nibble around the edges ...

EDIT: the "deconflicting" aspect should be an inherent property of the aforementioned data structure(s). IOW, once you've stored all the relevent info regarding the unit(s) to be disbanded, then conflict-resolution should be automatically derived (inherited) from the data structure when you go to apply the event that accesses that data later on. Fundamentals of modern OOD/OOP.

[ July 12, 2004, 17:55: Message edited by: Arryn ]

Re: a very small suggestion for the next patch for ryhleh ( devs plz read )
 

Sidestepping to reality, with IW as the dev team, it depends on whether or not they already have a way to categorize units into appropriate/compatible types. I can't think of any evidence that they have any such categories - my guess is the existing "themed" mercenaries and independent province attacks and reinforcements are all hard-coded.

Even so, it seems to me the hard part would not be adding a (object-oriented or not) method for categorizing units itself, but creating one that works for all unit types, assuming none already exists.

It seems like the tactical AI could also benefit from a method which knows to separate units with dangerous auras from units without invulnerability to them.

Anyway, recording units and putting them in Groups by compatible type for later use sounds pretty straightforward to me... though I don't know what data structure they use. If it's a massive array with all kinds of ancient spaghetti attached, maybe it would be a pain.

Most we can do about such code details is speculate, though. I mentioned the idea because it sounded like the _main_ obstacle was lack of a fun idea for what to do about disbanding units, so I thought I'd mention what sounded fun to me.

PvK

Re: a very small suggestion for the next patch for ryhleh ( devs plz read )
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">For real? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

I don't program much, but to me it would be more rewarding making a change that made the game more fun to play and as I rarely am bothered by the UI in dom2 I would prefer a new interesting feature.

The 'dissmiss' however would fall under features in my book, as it is something that would affect the game play. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Exactly.

Re: a very small suggestion for the next patch for ryhleh ( devs plz read )
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">What, I'm a fanboy because don't attack the devs when they don't pander to the whims of the players? How dare they not work on exactly what the players tell them to work on! After all, we are entitled to a years worth of enhancements on a product that was nearly bug-free out of the box.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Which is otherwise known as being an ******* for the sake of being an *******.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Such a poll is nothing more than an appeal to popularity, if the respondents were actually separate individuals, and not the result of one person creating multiple accounts to sway the results, as has happened with other polls.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Well, if you actually feel that you are entitled to have the game made exactly the way you want, then the flaming is probably well-deserved.

Re: a very small suggestion for the next patch for ryhleh ( devs plz read )
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">It's precisely this sort of stupid statement that proves my point on you being a fanboy. The rather lengthy list of bugfixes in the 4 patches since release belies your ... buggy ... assertion. Dom 2 was *functional* out of the box (something that cannot be said of some games), but it was far from bug-free. To IW's credit, they've been diligent about quashing bugs, or at least those they are willing to acknowledge as bugs.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Well, it's rather obvious that you are clueless as to the distinction between politeness and frankness. For the record, you've a lamentable lack of politeness. In short, you're a rude, obnoxious lout. Which is impolite of me to say.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Do you truly believe anyone on this forum would go through that much effort (to create multiple accounts just to skew a poll)? There are modern drugs to treat such paranoia. I suggest you seek some.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Flaming is never deserved. It's a Last resort for people who's brains have reached their limitations in ability to process information in a rational manner. Alas, there are no drugs to treat such an illness. The only effective treatment is plenty of bedrest. While such bedrest may not appreciably help the diseased one, it will certainly make the lives of those he's inflicting his ravings on much much more peaceful. Get some rest GD. Please. Soon.

Re: a very small suggestion for the next patch for ryhleh ( devs plz read )
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Aside from the battle replay inconsistency, and a few things that could occasionally crash the hosting process, there were virtually no serious bugs on release, and still are almost none. Which is why I stated that it was virtually bug free.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Ahh yes, and of course, _you_ are qualified to determine what is and is not a bug. Why don't you tell us what major bugs are still lurking out there? After all, you've mentioned that some still exist in previous Posts, but haven't stated what they actually are.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I'm rude? Who's the one who started to tell the devs, once again, that they don't know what they are doing? You're the one who is perfectly willing to state that you know what is best for the game, and are always willing to derail any given thread to continue to whine about the topic.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">As I stated in my reply, that very thing has been done on this forum to at least one poll about the state of the AI.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Flaming is almost always deserved by people such as yourself. That would be people who use a false veneer of civility over top of inflammatory remarksin an attempt to slip under the radar of the administrators.

[ July 13, 2004, 03:56: Message edited by: Graeme Dice ]

Re: a very small suggestion for the next patch for ryhleh ( devs plz read )
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I haven't used the term "major". You have. I simply stated that bugs still exist. Please do not twist (or worse, add) words. As for listing them, why don't you go to the sticky thread and read them for yourself. Or are you too busy ranting at me to be bothered to do so?

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yes, you *are* rude. And who annointed you Defender of Illwinter? As for derailing a thread, may I point out that I made one (small) comment in this regard (in passing) in this thread, and that it was YOU who have jumped in, repeatedly, to level personal attacks at me and keep this argument between us going? You even went out of your way to do so, disregarding an entire post to extract just one sentence, just so you could perpetuate your animosity towards me as evidenced in many Posts and threads over the past months. You'll also note that my other Posts, mainly to PvK, have been strictly a discussion on the original subject? Have YOU posted anything relevent (or even meaningful) on this thread's subject? No.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Looked in the mirror lately regarding false veneers and inflammatory remarks? "Flaming is almost always deserved by people such as yourself." speaks for itself as the sort of posting that draws the attention of Moderators, along with your use of foul language in an earlier post.

If you have nothing useful to contribute to the subject of this thread, GD, then please shut up. Your "I hate Arryn" diatribe just clutters up the thread. And so as not to contribute further to such clutter, I'll not respond to any further postings from you.

Re: a very small suggestion for the next patch for ryhleh ( devs plz read )
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Not in this thread, no, you haven't, which is why I mentioned that it was a different thread.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">And you are considerably more rude with your continual "Arryn Knows Best" attitude. What's the point of this remarkable revelation?

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The comment was _not_ made in passing. It was the most central point of your entire post. That is the point that you, as a player, obviously know more than the devs about what needs to be done to the game.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That personal animosity arises almost entirely from the poll you made several months ago, which you have yet to apologze for. Your continued attitude since then illustrates that my initial judgement of your character was correct.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">What false veneer? I'm flaming you outright, instead of pretending to be civil and doing exactly the same thing.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">What foul language? The word *******? If that damages your "too-sensitive sensibilities", or "rubbed you the wrong way", then I'll just remind you that "I don't believe in tap-dancing around issues or sugar-coating replies for ease of consumption."

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I could have contributed something to this thread, except that it would be wasted on someone who is so utterly convinced that they are right.

Re: a very small suggestion for the next patch for ryhleh ( devs plz read )
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">This is actually false. Many drugs exist to treat this ailment, including cyanide, arsenic, and strychnine.