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Daynarr March 30th, 2006 12:47 PM

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Boron said:
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Thanks for the praise. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

The big one is, all things considered, somewhat too big. The smaller one has some rather big design issues in some regions, and both of them need some toning down for some of the province guardians (the Earthmother in the Moonshaes is especially nasty).


It was only too big for Dom 2 because of the low unit limit and the scouting bug.
But remember Illwinter said the maximum number of provinces for Dom3 will be 1500 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.
So this means that the unit limit is hopefully not an issue anymore neither http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.
So you could also make a 500 province Faerun map for Dom3 imho http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.
Iirc there are 20 Nations for Dom3, so 500:20 would be 25 provinces for each nation, exactly right for an epic MP game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

Already looking forward to your Dom3 Faerun Maps http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I 100% agree. If the province limit is 1500 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif (ouch, thats extreme allright) then unit limit most definitely shouldn't be a problem anymore. Heck on 1500 province map you would reach limit just by placing indies on the map. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

I think currently Large Faerun map will fall somewhere in the middle sized maps once Dom 3 is out. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Come to think of it, 1500 provinces is a dream come true for Gandalf who's notorious in his liking of HUGE maps. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif
I bet he will find a way to play with ALL nations on it too. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

NTJedi March 30th, 2006 01:30 PM

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I'm also very fond of HUGE maps... in fact many gamers enjoy the HUGE maps. I recall Gandalf reporting the highest downloads from his site were for the largest maps.

I'm wondering what's new in the editor too.

Gandalf Parker March 30th, 2006 03:13 PM

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Daynarr said:
Come to think of it, 1500 provinces is a dream come true for Gandalf who's notorious in his liking of HUGE maps. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif
I bet he will find a way to play with ALL nations on it too. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

heehee. Its like a giant cake. I will HAVE to make one, even if it turns out to be something I wouldnt want to do often.

1500 provinces? I wonder if the max map size is expanded also. Well even at 2000x2000 that might be playable if its not too cluttered. I think I can get DomMap to generate one that big just to see how playable it looks.

ALL of the nations? Do we know what that is yet? We know that they added a water nation (Oceania). Ive heard 20 kicked around. And each one has 3 eras? If they can all play at once that would be 60 nations? That would be.. umm...
echo "1500/60" | bc
25 provinces each. About right for a good game. Even if you cant play 60 humans maybe you could do the standard signup of the 20 nations and add the other 2 eras in as AI's.
MUHAHAHAHAHAHA
Im ready. Lets go.

Oversway March 30th, 2006 07:13 PM

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That brings up a good question. Will you be able to play nations from different eras against each other? I don't see why not, but...?

Boron March 30th, 2006 08:11 PM

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That brings up a good question. Will you be able to play nations from different eras against each other? I don't see why not, but...?

Yeah if it is not enabled currently please enable it as a feature for Dom3 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.
Or rather to repeat myself again: Do not hardcode the nation limit at all. There will soon surely be some great nation mods, so it would be cool if there are 40 new nation mods if we could then play with 100 nations. 1500:100 is still 15 provinces per player http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.
Hey, if every nation could be used unlimited often we could even play a 1500 province game with 1500 players/ais.
That would be a cool weird game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

I really see no reason why a game like 20 Ctis vs. 20 Pythium players e.g. would not be cool sometimes too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

Daynarr March 30th, 2006 08:38 PM

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Carefull, you are starting to sound like Gandalf. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

NTJedi March 30th, 2006 09:55 PM

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Also hopefully the developers will make a blank nation slot available for modders.

Edi March 31st, 2006 04:59 AM

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Since there seems to be this much enthusiasm for very large Faerun maps, I'll see to it that you'll also get one for Dom3. The newest one, at 283 provinces seems to be working beautifully, so it's also going to end up available for Dom3.

And I'll really have to get to work on that full Toril one, based off of the Trail Maps. It's a shame they never did make a trail map for Maztica, or we'd really get all three continents. Of course, I'll probably run afoul of the pixel size limit since the trail maps at full spread cover several square meters. Something like 2.1x4 meters or thereabouts, so I don't want to even contemplate how big of a download that would be. The bastardly thing is that you can't really reduce the image significantly enough to matter, because that'd make everything too small.

Well, perhaps a Faerun map and a Kara-Tur map then...

Edi

Boron March 31st, 2006 10:04 AM

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And I'll really have to get to work on that full Toril one, based off of the Trail Maps. It's a shame they never did make a trail map for Maztica, or we'd really get all three continents. Of course, I'll probably run afoul of the pixel size limit since the trail maps at full spread cover several square meters. Something like 2.1x4 meters or thereabouts, so I don't want to even contemplate how big of a download that would be. The bastardly thing is that you can't really reduce the image significantly enough to matter, because that'd make everything too small.


Doesn't matter that much. I guess the majority of the community has at least DSL and i personally would find it worth enough even to download for 2-3 hours the map. So don't be too afraid if the map might be 300,500 or even 1000 mb large. At least me (and probably a few other notorious epic map lovers like Gandalf) will download this map with joy no matter how big it is http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Daynarr March 31st, 2006 10:39 AM

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Actually, I love large maps to (I played Large Faerun 'till I drop http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif). Don't worry about size of those maps. Like Boron said, they are well worth the download and lots of people have fast enough connection not to care.

Personally, I'd love if you could make some 1000 provinces big map with Faerun thematics for Dominions 3. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I'd wait 'till Dominions 3 is out before populating it with independents, nations and sites as noone knows what will be new (500 more units alone is a lot) and it would be a shame not to include it in such map (asuming you actually make something THAT big.

I know I'd play it.
I know Gandalf would play it too. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif


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