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Speaking as a cattle rancher, someone with knowledge about these things. Cattle most certainly are NOT stuffed in crates shortly after birth, to live there for life.

You might be so humane, but like I said there are companies here which aren't. We don't have the wide open spaces of North America, hence the "bio-industry" which started to emerge after WWII; that way, you could have the largest amount of animals in the smallest amount of space.

I agree, in part at least. I guess my point was that things like that do not happen here in North America, to the best of my knowledge. I don't know what happens in Europe nearly as much. Though I must say I still have my doubts, since governmental regulations are generally very strict when it comes to the treatment of animals. Also I'd ask you; have you seen such plants with you're own eyes, or are you relying on the 'evidence' provided by others? There's an old saying I like; "Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear."

Though I have not seen these processes with my own eyes, I am 100% certain that they occur. Once or twice every year you see them on the news or somewhere else on TV, and staging all that is just ridiculous. Like I said, here in the Netherlands we had to find a way to maximize production with a minimum of land right after WWII.

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Animal rights activists are (in a lot of cases) manipulative in the extreme. For example, it was proven that here in Canada, where they petition for the outlawing of the seal hunt, it was shown that they organized the skinning of a live seal. They then filmed this, and used it as their ammunition to try and outlaw it. I don't know about you, but this sickens me a hell of a lot more than how animals are slaughtered. Sickens me.

This, to me, is on the same level of evil as Nazism.

I understand your reactions, and I won't attempt to convince you to stop eating meat (such efforts are limited to semi-serious discussions with my friends during lunch), or convince you that all of what I heard is true, but some of it is, and personally I see no reason to eat meat. I've been brought up a vegetarian, and I'll die a vegetarian.

It may not seem like it, but I do respect your convictions. I may not agree with them, but it is every human's right to choose what they will and will not do, and I have no right to aggressively argue my point of view over and over http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif So I won't! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

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I never suspected you of not respecting my convictions, and I hope you do not suspect me of not respecting yours.

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(Note: I have not responded to some statements. Please take this as my agreement on this; I have only responded to those statements I did not agree with. I have read your posts and seriously considered them.)

I too have read and considered your posts, and agree with some, not with others (obviously!).

Arguements should be something like this, statements of beliefs, not shouting/pissing matches. I'm happy everyone here is remaining civil about this, even when it wasn't in any way related to the original topic! Though if anyone did come close to being uncivil, it was probably me! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

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Eh, don't worry, it's nothing http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Oh the humanity of it all!

Billions of individual living entities are raised in crowed conditions feed special chemicals to maximize there growth then they are slaughter so that their gestating young can be ripped from the parents carcass just to be used to feed the masses of humans and other animals!!! Many of these living entities are actually eaten while still alive!

SAVE THE PLANTS!
They have a right to live without the cruel treatment of modern farming!

Believe it or not, I actually get a lot of this when I "attempt" to convert my friends to vegetarianism http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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Strategia_In_Ultima said:
I never suspected you of not respecting my convictions, and I hope you do not suspect me of not respecting yours.

Nope, never thought you didn't respect my opinions http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif Just thought you might suspect me of it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Wow, I really can confuse things quickly, eh?? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

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Please reduce the amount of quoted text and nested quotes... It gets really hard to follow (esp. on lower res) with so much extra space wasted between the actual content of the post. Just the words you are responding to will suffice (though they are not usually necessary).

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WARNING: The following comments may be seen as immflammatory to select individuals 

I by no means intend this as an effort at offense, but having read the many and varied comments posted here I feel compelled to add my own, stating that in my opinion this thread has become an exercise in the innane. With such references to the human condition, sympathy for one's prey, comparisons to Nazism.

Nazism !?!?!?!?

I'm sorry if my OPINION is deamed offensive to some, but I just couldn't stand to see such pointlessness continue without expressing this feeling. There really are some valid points along the way, but in the majority it really seems like this thread is deteriorating into simple extremist opinions, with little or no basis in fact or experience. Sorry again to whomever this offends.

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Ugh...I'm so offended Black_Knyght! How could you say such evil things? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif <---- (Comment completely intended as humorous)

Slightly more seriously, if an opinion hurt a person's feelings, I doubt they'd be here long! Or the internet in general for that matter.

It just so happens I agree with you, and it has become rather innane. Unfortunately, I sometimes like pointless arguements...a sometimes annoying fault of mine. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

Lets all just eat [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Burger.gif[/img] [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Cake.gif[/img] [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Cheese.gif[/img] http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/egg.gif , drink [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Martini.gif[/img] http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image.../beerglass.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image.../beerglass.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image.../beerglass.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image.../beerglass.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image.../beerglass.gif [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Lightning.gif[/img] [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Lightning.gif[/img] [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Lightning.gif[/img] ...well maybe don't try to drink lightning!

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BK, I wasn't comparing "sympathy for one's prey" as such with Nazism, but the fact that "animal rights protestors" in Canada skinned a seal themselves to prove that it was evil. That, to me, is as evil as Nazism is.

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Warring!!! This thread is experiencing topic drift!

I think all the animals, plants and alien food people would be offended by comments made if they hadn�t been eaten.

The above comment was not intended to be offensive to more than .01% of the population. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Wasn�t there a twilight zone show where aliens landed and they carried around a book titled �How to Serve Man�?

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--I said *we* as meaning the entire human race. Thus if *we* became aware that these aliens were eating us our number one desire would be that they stop eating us. Others would not nead convincing because *we* all would already know. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

I cannot imagine that "we" would have such a unanimous opinion on *anything*. There are numerous examples of things that "we" know have happened or are happening, which "they" claim never happened or aren't happening, and vice versa. At least one example has already been brought up in this thread. Some people cannot be convinced by even "irrefutable" proof.

I can imagine the existence of people who not only would not oppose this, but would actually support it.

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Oh no, North Americans with their wide open spaces would never maximize their profit/cost ratios by doing tremendous things to chickens. Certainly no human would sear off a chicken beak - what reason would there be for that?

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Well, no reason, until they get crammed together so that they start fighting and cannibalizing each other.

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"Most Americans know little about how their eggs are produced. They don't know that American egg-producers typically keep their hens in bare wire cages, often crammed eight or nine hens to a cage so small that they never have room to stretch even one wing, let alone both. The space allocated per hen, in fact, is even less than broiler chickens get, ranging from 48 to 72 square inches. Even the higher of these figures is less than the size of a standard American sheet of typing paper. In such crowded conditions, stressed hens tend to peck each other -- and the sharp beak of a hen can be a lethal weapon when used relentlessly against weaker birds unable to escape. To prevent this, producers routinely sear off the ends of the hens' sensitive beaks with a hot blade -- without an anesthetic."

excerpt from The Way We Eat: Why Our Food Choices Matter by Peter Singer and Jim Mason

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