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Yes, it was a newb playing them I believe. He built all chariots and no giants.

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*sigh* and Hinnom, sight unseen was my original first choice for kingmaker. Instead I somehow got talked into taking MA Oceana. There's a swing for you...;)

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if it makes you feel better - i lost 3 rolloffs in Kingmaker: LA TC, then Ashdod, then Gath.

Thus I ended up as enraged Utgard.

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Well, his first consideration when choosing a pretender was to have massive scales. The two cheapest chassis to do this are the oracle and the blood fountain. It's then a choice whether you want teleporting master enslave action, which your national mages can pull off by themselves too (with some effort) or bloody blood summoning.

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Awesome guide. I have tested Hinom in SP and came with close conclusions but your guide covered all the points I've misses, which is great http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I've taken a W9, E4 bless with dragon and good scales, the bless makes Rephaim and Melqart expand like crazy.

I've used regular scouts/commanders for blood hunting and it worked well but I think using three Kohens with SDR will yield many more slaves.

Ba'al is ridiculous, I couldn't come up with enough ways to use them.

Your suggestion of using lesser horrors is very useful.

I think 1v1 this nation is top tier in game if not first place. How it would stand in MP is totally another issue though. I'm against changing something drastic in order to balance them, if anything the dawn guards could be made capitol only or the nation can get a 10-15% price increase across the board.

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WraithLord,

If you make the dawn guards capital only, the optimal strategy for the nation becomes less complex. The power of the dawn guards make it possible to deviate from taking P3.

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I'm afraid I'm not quite following. Dawn guards are resource intensive (in absolute terms - require 30 or 35 resources), so how come their power makes it possible to deviate from P3?- they practically beg for high production.

Another idea to reduce their strength is not allow recruiting of Ammi w/o labs.

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Mmh, Ammis not needing a lab to be recruited fits the rules perfectly i think... It's because they just have random picks right?

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My reasoning is as follows:

IMHO the key advantage of P3 is to allow you to recruit as many capital-only sacreds as possible as you will very soon find that you'll run out of funds much faster than resources as you expand and build new castles. If one take a lesser production scale, one will end up with less of those awsome capital sacreds but more doom guards (recruited outside of the capital). That is not necessary a poor trade-off if the extra design points can be put to good use - partly because one will run out of supplies very quickly (not to mention pop loss) if one concentrate on the capital only sacreds.

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@Ming, thanks for elaborating. I find your reasoning to make perfect sense hence I agree making dawn guards capital only is not preferable for balance purposes.

@Tifone, it does fit the rules.

I think maybe a possible balancing act, besides raising price across the board is to make this nation's temples cost more, maybe 50% more, maybe even a thematic reason for that could be found.