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And, how has this thread helped me to determine if my Pans can be good thugs? Seriosuly folks, if you can help me, I can help you.

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I've never heard of anyone using Pans as thugs, but if anyone would know, it would be Gandalf ('cause he's secretly a Pan).

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Pan Thugs:
Take an E9,N6 bless.Gorgon silly.
Give the pans shrouds of the battle saint.
bracer of defence
vine shield
a frost brand is best, but the poison stick could do

Ta Da, Pan thug
Buff as you get the research.
Summon earth power, ironskin, resist elements.

Add more items to make em tougher-
MAgic amulet, horned helmet, amulet of reinvigoration

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Yeah, that's about what I thought about for them. Thanks Rytek.

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My favourite thugs are the Kings of the deep with whatever gear is available and golems with stymphalian wings/boots of stone and dual shields. Big fan of harbringers too. Baalz eiru thugs are fantastic too. I also like to thug out knights of ulm and marignon just because it is thematic and fun to have heroes that are less "über".

Now is there any viable unmounted human thug chassis? I´d love to play a startegy based on ordinary human thugs. Packs of tough little heroes that you can really relate to.

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You don't even really need the bless for Pan thugs.
With Earth & Nature they can self buff Protection, regen & reinvig, so just equip appropriately.

For human thugs: Not really.
They're just too fragile. Buff them however you want, they've got few enough hp they'll still drop with one lucky hit.
Exceptions would be prophets in dominion or someone who gets one of the hp boosting Heroic abilities. Then they become marginal.

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I've had moderate success doing this as Ulm. (MA). Equipment is cheap enough to forge that it can be worth it.

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Those Marverni Boar Lord guys with the high Berserk you might be able to turn into very minor thugs. I'm not sure, but I think they're sacred, so with a good bless (Earth and Blood, with minor Fire, for instance) and a Medallion of Vengeance (Berserk, plus Blood Curse, plus MoV seems nice), you might make something of them. They wouldn't last real long, but they wouldn't be meant to-and they'd go out with a-literal-bang!

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You might try LA TC's battle mages, they are recruitable everywhere, rather tough, and have some interesting magic paths that allows for some creative combinations. They really need an earth bless though since they are old and come with some heavy innate gear. They certainly would not qualify as top-notch thugs, but with the right gear and spells, they would make tough little humans and quite thematic - the roving band of mystic master outlaws...

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Hoburgs actually make quite good thugs, if I remember correctly. Stunningly high defense and small size can protect them from pd adequately.