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Imp March 30th, 2009 04:27 PM

Re: Variety is the spice of life
 
WdII you are taking this personally I am not criticising anybodys wishes desires or how they play the game. I am just making observations on posts people have placed & offering alternative thoughts that may not have occured.
The first lines of this thread I posted
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I am prompted to write this based on posts over recent months as so many of you seem to be playing but a tiny portion of the game. Perhaps you should reconsider how you approach the game to get more out of it with a greater variety of play
I gather you will be adjusting your AI% & have given you some idea of what you should adjust it to dependant on the size of game you play & the reasons why.
As my observations seem to be causing friction I will stop posting in this thread now.

plastictree March 30th, 2009 06:37 PM

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I suppose we could add another level ( insanely hard ) at -40% but it's difficult to belive it would be used much.
Actually I was thinking -80%, which would come in handy during NATO v Warsaw Pact games, where you are NATO. This could be a good equivalent of a NATO formation possibly having to fight several major battles in a row without significant reinforcements, but facing fresh Warsaw Pact formations due to their passing through of fresh divisions.

And yes, I am the king of SPMBT masochists.

Wdll March 30th, 2009 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by plastictree (Post 683039)
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I suppose we could add another level ( insanely hard ) at -40% but it's difficult to belive it would be used much.
Actually I was thinking -80%, which would come in handy during NATO v Warsaw Pact games, where you are NATO. This could be a good equivalent of a NATO formation possibly having to fight several major battles in a row without significant reinforcements, but facing fresh Warsaw Pact formations due to their passing through of fresh divisions.

And yes, I am the king of SPMBT masochists.

I advice you to do what I plan on doing. Buy less than the 200 limit, and/or don't buy ANY units with the support points, apart perhaps from ammo carriers or the occasional air sortie if that is your thing.
Or as, I think it was Imp who said it, don't always repair your units, do it every 2nd or 3rd battle.

plastictree March 30th, 2009 07:20 PM

Re: Variety is the spice of life
 
I normally buy historical formations (eg. in my current British v USSR campaign, I bought a Mech Inf HQ which includes 6 SPMortars and Milans, 3 Mech Inf Companies without Milans, and 1 tank company minus 2 tank platoons), but never include support elements such as engineers, SP or off map artillery or helicopters in my core buy except when a formation has organic support - such as Armoured Cavalry Squadrons (or regiments? Can't remember which) that have an organic SPA battery.

I normally do go a couple of battles without repairing, but it would make it far more of a challenge (in a good way) and make people far more cautious if the buy points were physically restricted to that degree.

If you restricted by say -80%, using rough calculations off the top of my head, that you could repair one or two vehicles per battle, or replace infantry losses, or else wait a few battles and have enough points to repair a few platoons in their entirety.

Ramm March 30th, 2009 08:48 PM

Re: Variety is the spice of life
 
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Originally Posted by plastictree (Post 683048)
I normally buy historical formations (eg. in my current British v USSR campaign, I bought a Mech Inf HQ which includes 6 SPMortars and Milans, 3 Mech Inf Companies without Milans, and 1 tank company minus 2 tank platoons), but never include support elements such as engineers, SP or off map artillery or helicopters in my core buy except when a formation has organic support - such as Armoured Cavalry Squadrons (or regiments? Can't remember which) that have an organic SPA battery.

I normally do go a couple of battles without repairing, but it would make it far more of a challenge (in a good way) and make people far more cautious if the buy points were physically restricted to that degree.

If you restricted by say -80%, using rough calculations off the top of my head, that you could repair one or two vehicles per battle, or replace infantry losses, or else wait a few battles and have enough points to repair a few platoons in their entirety.

What is a mechanized infantry company headquarters and how is it different than just a mechanized infantry company? Do you mean mechanized infantry battalion instead?

Andrew

plastictree March 31st, 2009 01:20 AM

Re: Variety is the spice of life
 
In the 4.5 (and I think the 4.0) British OOB there are a number of Battalion HQ units for Infantry formations.

From memory there is an Infantry (foot) HQ, two Saxon Bn HQ formations, and a Mech Inf HQ.

The Mech Bn Inf HQ contain a squad or two of infantry, 6 Milans carried in 3 FV's, as well as 6 SPMortars and a FO. There might be other units in it, can't remember.

Haven't noticed Bn HQ formations in other OOB's, but they might be there.

Imp March 31st, 2009 05:17 AM

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Haven't noticed Bn HQ formations in other OOB's, but they might be there
Might have diffrent names but yes most have them its your support company nicely provided so you get the right mix of weapons.

wulfir March 31st, 2009 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Imp (Post 682780)
Why not take out second rate nations for a spin to okay in MBT dependant on era there are only 3 or 4 main suppliers but there are nations with home grown toys.

Play as Sweden.

Hypotetical Russkie invasion, 1980s.

Swe Armoured Bn org (with Strv 101/2/4 Centurion):

HQ (Coy)
Bn Recce Plt (jeeps)
Arm Inf Coy (Pbv302)
Arm Inf Coy (Pbv302)
Tank Coy (Centurion, Pbv302)
Tank Coy (Centurion, Pbv302)
Artillery Company (105mm towed, trucks)
Supply (Coy) (Supply elements, Pioneer platoon, trucks).

I dare ya' :D

Wdll March 31st, 2009 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by wulfir (Post 683155)
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Originally Posted by Imp (Post 682780)
Why not take out second rate nations for a spin to okay in MBT dependant on era there are only 3 or 4 main suppliers but there are nations with home grown toys.

Play as Sweden.

Hypotetical Russkie invasion, 1980s.

Swe Armoured Bn org (with Strv 101/2/4 Centurion):

HQ (Coy)
Bn Recce Plt (jeeps)
Arm Inf Coy (Pbv302)
Arm Inf Coy (Pbv302)
Tank Coy (Centurion, Pbv302)
Tank Coy (Centurion, Pbv302)
Artillery Company (105mm towed, trucks)
Supply (Coy) (Supply elements, Pioneer platoon, trucks).

I dare ya' :D


I remember playing as Sweden a 70s battle against IIRC USSR (PBEM). The Swedes had a beautiful weird turretless tank with stupid amount of armour on it. I was watching enemy shells hit and bounce off while I was destroying his forces. What a beautiful day lol.

Imp March 31st, 2009 02:56 PM

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Play as Sweden.

Hypotetical Russkie invasion, 1980s.
If as I suspect thats the time period when you cant penetrate front armour on the top tanks done it pretty much as you listed.
Revisit in current times nothing like killing T-90s with flank shots from whatever the IFV is called.
Also took them on as Russians current times in T-72M (high armour no TI varient) that was a bit tense.


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