Re: ea pangaea vs tienchi
 

Yeah, I wouldn't design a pretender to do it, but if you're running Turmoil, you'll also have Luck which means you got a decent chance of getting Air from the Harpy queen. This is one thing to do with it.

Re: ea pangaea vs tienchi
 

Sure jarkko.. but you left out the part where I was already at war with 2 neighbors....

Almost anything wins in those circumstances... I'll be happy to go 1:1 with you EA-Mictlan vs Pan.

Re: ea pangaea vs tienchi
 

Turmoil 3, Sloth 3, Dom 9/10 Gorgon, find his capital and sit on it.

Is that way too crazy to work?

Re: ea pangaea vs tienchi
 

Ah right, I keep on forgetting you claimed to be at war with Marverni too, rather than trying to claim the spoils of war after Pangaea had done all the fighting and conquering, and that you thought you could instead go and declare war on Fomoria and rely on bullying me off of my conquests ;)

Re: ea pangaea vs tienchi
 

LOL.. that was two people.. PLUS marverni. who I attacked way before you did...
like I said.. anytime= )

Jeff: even with turmoil 3, with 4 national heros you still only have a 1.5% chance per turn of getting the harpy. Not exactly something worth planning a build around.

Re: ea pangaea vs tienchi
 

I play a nation with 4 national heroes with luck 3 in one of multiplayer games on llama, turn 39. Luck 3. No heroes yet. At all. In one of games when I tested misfortune 3, I've got a hero first or second turn.So the word "strategy" is not really applicable when you rely on luck.

P.S. Oh..I forgot.3 turns ago I've got my hero.Harpy,in one of cities. But order 3 and my nation is hinnom.

Re: ea pangaea vs tienchi
 

It should be impossible to get a hero if you have misfortune - or at least that's the impression I had seeing the (3% base chance + luck scale) formula governing your chance to get a hero per turn.

Haven't really tried misfortune 3 much though, due to conventional wisdom of the crippling events that are enabled at that scale, but I have certainly not seen a hero for the tries where I had misfortune 3.

Anyone got any deeper knowledge/wisdom to share on this issue?

Re: ea pangaea vs tienchi
 

With neutral luck scales, the chance of getting a hero is 3% per turn. It then changes plus or minus 1% depending on your luck/misfortune scale. So....

Luck3 - 6%
Luck2 - 5%
Luck1 - 4%
Neutral - 3%
Misfortune1 - 2%
Misfortune2 - 1%
Misfortune3 - 0%


You must have been testing a different Luck/Misfortune scale than Misfortune3, since as Redeyes says, you can not get any national heroes with a Misfortune3 scale.

Re: ea pangaea vs tienchi
 

I am sorry if my post was a bit confusing - the number "3" fell off Misfortune in the first sentence of the first paragraph.

Re: ea pangaea vs tienchi
 

That's was misfortune 3, and I was quite surprised as well, as I know this formula. I can't guarantee, as I don't have this save, so I can't tripple check. But still maybe there is a cap which doen'st give you zero chance. And I've got him 1st or 2nd turn.