Re: Czech OOB 5.5
 

Eh - sorry. That is when I wrote something from computer without game and thus without checking.

Re: Czech OOB 5.5
 

The REASON things like this get screwed up is every other M-30 in the game is named "M-30" or "M30" and all of those have the standard 202 range that the Russian one does.

BUT OF COURSE the Czech one was named differently which is why it was missed when the others were standardized so naming them anything other than the standard M-30 would assure they would be missed again ....yes ?.....which is why they are now named M-30 and they now have the correct range and why NONE of the "suggestions" to rename weapons etc. to suit specific nations is going to happen.

MOBHack help has a complete list of arty ranges and their conversion number BUT OF COURSE different sources will have different "maximum" ranges ( as I have noted in other posts different "sources" still cannot agree on how fast a Tiger 1 moved ).


Don

Re: Czech OOB 5.5
 

We appreicate the info but please do NOT post without checking your info against the game first and that goes for EVERYONE

Thank You

Don

Re: Czech OOB 5.5
 

There is no "approximate range in km + 190 " rule and I really do not understand how you figured there might be. The game range conversions for off map arty is posted in the MOBHack help. The 25 pounder range is wrong in both SPWW2 and SPMBT and has already been corrected. Other ranges COULD be slightly off if ranges in yards were not converted to meters before converting to game ranges. The other, simpler, explanation is the ranges were originally taken from a different source.

If the Bulgarian leFH-18 differs from the Czech 105mm M18/49 it's because there is no sane way to keep track of multiple national designations for one weapon so that they all stay in sync with one another which is why I have no intention of digging the hole deeper by making the existing problem worse than it is by changing any more weapons to suit nation naming conventions.

As for the leFH-18 Hogg lists 4 guns with that designation in part and the maximum range given ranges from 12,325m/13,479 y to 12,700m / 13,889 y which gives a max range for that gun 202-203 and even if yards were used as meters in error the range would be 203 -204 so the 207 in the Bulgarian OOB ( and any other OOBs I find it in ) is wrong and it should be 202 as in W #191 in the Czech OOB which is now named 105mm leFH 18 ( along with all the othes ) so things like this do not happen again and why ( I repeat ) I am NOT going to add to the "nationalized" naming problem that already exists

So YES there is a need to review all the arty ranges ( maybe next year )in the game but NO this is not the time because the errors that exist really only occasionally affect counter battery fire and that does not adversely affect game play and , like most "errors" in the game, when (if ) I fix them all nobody is going to notice the game plays any differently than it does now.

Don

Re: Czech OOB 5.5
 

Thanks for an appreciation of picking some bugs in artillery... :D

Very simply: 203 for ZiS-3 - 13 (km) = 190, and in most cases it worked :) It appears just a mathematical formula for a rule given in MOBHack help (okay, I should have read that section first - it would be easier for me. This time I've read all).

There was no need (for me at least) of such an elaborate answer. I'm aware of possible discrepancies in sources, and I'd probably ignore range 201 or 203 for leFH-18 - that's why I've reported 207 as possible error. I won't check all, buf you don't mind, I'll report further bugs in this field if I spot them?...

Regards
Michal

Re: Czech OOB 5.5
 

I've just spotted, that several tanks have too high RF values comparing with Soviet OOB:

002, 008 T-34/85 - RF 4 instead of 3.

BTW - it isn't clear, if Heat ammo was used in the later one - at least initially. This scan from 1954 Czechoslovak manual doesn't show Heat http://forum.valka.cz/attachments/1058/Mun_cia.jpg (from this page http://forum.valka.cz/viewtopic.php/t/33708 ), only "365" family rounds and two CS-made APCBCHE rounds (1 and 2)

003 T-54A, 005 T-55, 009 T-55A, 012 T-54AR, 014 T-54AM - RF 11 instead of 6 (simple sight with range scale)

Fire control issues:

015 T-72 - maybe it should have FC 15 (now 10), like Soviet basic T-72 Ural? It was no wonder anyway, and this model was given to Czechoslovakia and Poland when newer T-72A was on the way, so maybe they didn't simplified it more.

219 T-55AM2P KMT-6 - has FC 20, while ordinary #011 T-55AM2 with the same Kladivo FCS - 25

221 T-72M1 KMT-6 - has FC 25, while ordinary #018 T-72M1 - 20 (also Soviet T-72A)

Some leftovers:

473 Para Engineers - it's unlikely for 1980+ unit to have vz.24 SMG from the 50s - may be rather general issue vz.58 like #472 unit (then pic 37099 - current one isn't vz.24 anyway)

511 82mm Mortar Pl - SKS rifle wasn't used in CS - may be 006 vz/24 SMG or 020 M38/44 Carbine

516 12cm Mortar Sec - according to this table http://www.palba.cz/forumfoto/displa...084&fullsize=1 withdrawn by 1968 (now 12/82). Seems, that they returned to mortars only with vz.82 model (I don't know when, but we might leave 517 unit as it is). This gap would make mess in formations 048, 054 and would need date correction in formations 216, 236, 237.

520 16cm Mortar - in 1951 there were none (http://www.palba.cz/viewtopic.php?t=3156 ), no mention on a page on 1945-1948 artillery either (now: 1/46-12/54). According to this page there was a licence production from 1954, but there's no info, it they were imported before this date. I'd set 1953 or 54 as a starting date (closer to truth, than 1946). Needs change in formation #192.

520 16cm Mortar - used until 1960 at least (http://www.palba.cz/forumfoto/displa...084&fullsize=1 ) (now 12/59). Needs change in formation #192.
SKS rifle wasn't used in CS - may be 006 vz/24 SMG or 020 M38/44 Carbine

526-529 Para Observer - it's unlikely for 1980+ unit to have vz.24 SMG from the 50s - may be rather 005 Skorpion

533-535 Observer Team - as above - rather general issue vz.58 rifle, like unit 532. Last unit might receive #13 CZ 905 (from 2011 actually)

543 Prime Mover - better picture, of the Czechoslovak vehicle is Tatra 65480 or 29173

922 Su-25K - it could carry even 120 rockets 80mm (now: 80) - 6x20-tube - there could be added third weapon #186 with 10 shots.

926 Su-22M-4 - it could carry 192 rockets 57mm (now: 144) - 6x32-tube launcher configuration - weapons could be given 8 shots instead of 6.

There could be also created a common variant with 4x20 more useful 80mm rockets - two weapons 186 4x80mm rocket with 10 shots (like unit #925) or three with 7,7,6 shots.

153 Su-22M-4 (omitted earlier) - it could carry 6x500 kg bombs instead of 4 (max load is 8).

930 Su-7B - should be renamed Su-7BM or BKL, acquired only in early 1964 (now 1/61 - source: see unit #149). Armament is OK. It could be used until end of 80s (now 1/81) or there could be created Su-7BKL from 1/70 until 12/89 with added third weapon #185 4x57mm S-5 with 8 shots (6-hardpoint variant with 6x16 rockets).
Eventually, from mid-70s there could be variant with some EW underwing pod.

There could be created additional Su-7BKL variants
- 4 x #176 240mm S-24 Rkt (from 1964)
- 6 x #176 240mm S-24 Rkt (from 1970)

That's the end as for now.

Michal

Re: Czech OOB 5.5
 

209 RBS-90 SAM - it should be named RBS-70. First delivered in 12/105, presented to public in unit in 3/106 (now:1/107) [Raport 04/2006]

From 4/08 the Czech Republic uses in Afghanistan several IVECO LMV with 12.7mm MG (unit #224 from Italian oob) and Dingo 2 with 7.62mm MG3 (unit 66 from German oob) [Armia 09/2009, http://gdziewojsko.wordpress.com/arm...ske-republiky/ ]

I don't know, if T-72M4CZ should have weaker basic turret armour, than T-72M1.

Michal

Re: Czech OOB 5.5
 

I've found a proper icon 2335 (not used as for now?)

Michal

Re: Czech OOB 5.5
 

048 S-125 Neva - first unit bought in 1971, two more in 1972, so 1/72 is realistic date (http://infowsparcie.net/wria/o_autorze/eksport_pzr.html ) (now 1/73).