Re: Some remark from a stars! player
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Of course that is the whole complaint http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif When it takes 30+ minutes for some of the more involved turns it becomes a chore to have to replay it all now that you have gotten your email reply.

Re: Some remark from a stars! player
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I've never played simultaneous, so I'll take your word for it. So, while the "feature" of not saving mid-turn for multiplayer makes sense for non-simultaneous, it may not cause an "exploit" to be able to save a simultaneous-mode game in mid-turn & come back later. Of course, maybe that's difficult to program...

Re: Some remark from a stars! player
 

No, the way simultaneous works is that nothing involving commitment to decisions occurs until the turn is sent in by all players. There is no way anyone can ever know the results before commiting their orders and getting the next turn back from the host to see the results.

I've never understood why simultaneous mode doesn't allow saving mid-turn. I think there must be some internal code reason that MM hasn't changed it yet, because it's been requested since before SE4 was released.

PvK

Re: Some remark from a stars! player
 

I cannot imagine what those reasons would be:

1) It can obviously save the moves to a file already (saves .plr files when you hit End Turn)

2) It can obviously read the .plr files back in to construct the moves.

Seems a small leap to combine those two pieces of code to allow you to continue your turn. Or am I wrong?

The only thing I can think of is that maybe when you save your .plr file (hit End Turn) it gets encrypted such that you need the host password to unencrypt it and so you as a player are unable to open it back up since you do not know the host password.

Of course, you might say, don't encrypt it when saving your session. But the problem is that if the turn file is unencrypted, you might go figure out how to hex-edit in some moves that defy the gamerules and then that means when processing the turn, there would have to be a new piece of code which validates all the moves. This is all conjecture of course http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Re: Some remark from a stars! player
 

I've done a fair bit of programming, in a lab environment that requires a lot feature creeps. I am so glad there are only 2 Users tops!!!

It is a real pain to add capabilities that weren't planned for. Often the added variables have to be passed up and down the subroutine tree. C++ with it's inheritance makes it easier but it's not SE4s language.

SE4 is an impressive one man show.

Re: Some remark from a stars! player
 

ISTR reading someplace that SE4 was written in Delphi... maybe on MM's site, or maybe in one of the interviews with Aaron Hall that were floating around when SE4 first came out...

Re: Some remark from a stars! player
 

Naa, he uses NADA, an objection oriented language. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

Re: Some remark from a stars! player
 

ahah we now speak of programming language. In which language is written SE IV? From the data files, with keyword like "begin", "end" and even the ":=" it speaks to me as being written in Delphi (or Pascal), but perhaps not... who knows?

saving the turn and being able to reload it was routinely done in stars! The files were encrypted, and all orders were with the client/server philosophy. In SEIV simultaneous turn thats the same thing: you only do requests, no real orders. So what is the real issue in not supporting this feature? Too few people complains perhaps http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif