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Bracket updated. Skynky is no more. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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I surrender to Bbegemott - I was boxed into 10% of the galaxy with no chance.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I believe if the starting positions were switched, I was to face your destiny. My victory was pure luck. That's why I am going to take Tesco Maps in all my upcoming one-one games.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I believe if the starting positions were switched, I was to face your destiny. My victory was pure luck. That's why I am going to take Tesco Maps in all my upcoming one-one games. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That's not foolproof, either. I played on a Tesco map where someone started in the center and I started in the corner (leaving most of the galaxy behind him for safe expansion with only the need to keep me blocked in to my little corner of the map). So... don't count on it.

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The problem with the Tesco maps, no offense to Tesco because I know it was a lot of work making them, is they have 4 common starting positions. I think he intended them to be useable for Koth or non Koth games, which is fine. But Koth maps should have 2 starting positions, or if there are more then two, they should be specific starting positions that alternate across the quadrant.

Geoschmo

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Perhaps someone could make a map pack specially designed for two player games. It would be good if the maps in the map pack are ordered somehow, for example first small maps, then medium maps and Last a few large maps.

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the 4 common starting positions were added per the conversations of koth at the time it also increased the usability of the maps 4 fold ( or some number ) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

I like your idea geo on the moving them. and have 2 common positions. As set positions will not work cause I always end up as player one http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif So the same start would suck...

So I will make various maps with different sizes, two common start positions. Some maps will have ruins , some will be finite. They will be of different sizes

The naming convention for the maps will go

Pl2Re1Ru1Si1Ty1Ve0.map

Where the Pl = Players and the number will be the number of common starting positions.
Si = Size and 1 =under 25 systems, 2=26-50 , 3 = 51-75 , 4 = 76-100, 5 = 101-125, 6= 126-150, 7=151-175, 8= 176-200 9=>200
TY=Type 1 = Mid-Life, 2 = Cluster, 3= Galactic Edge, 4= Spiral Arm, 5=Grid,6=Ancient
Re= Resources, 1= Regular ,2=Finite
Ru= Ruins, 1= None, 2= Ruins
Ve= Version, with 0 being original and 1 and up different Versions of the map with different starting positions


Or is there an easier way to name the maps... Or am I missing something.

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I guess any kind of naming convention works as long as we have a key. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif You could organize different types into subfolders and not worry about the name so much. But I guess either way works.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Well, Geo, let me remind you of our cardinal rule in IT (well, it's an old programmer saying but you should be familiar with it by now):

"Why make something simple and easy to understand when we can find a way to make it complex and wonderful?"

J/K, Tesco...

BTW, I might suggest: Pn-Rn-Un-Sn-Tn-Vn.map

Where:

P = Players
R = Resources
U - Ruins
S = Size
T = Type
V = Version

n = numeric value

(If you liked acronyms, you could even swap it around and call it SPURTv.map) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I have started that several times. I even had planned on it as far back as I hoped to get a map pack included on the Gold CD. But it's one of those things that never seems to get done.

Geoschmo

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i can do it. how many maps at each level do you want ??? Then give me a week.

There will be two sets of maps.

One with Ruins

One with no ruins.

And then a couple of each level with finite resources... as it is an area we all do not explore enough

[ January 09, 2004, 12:17: Message edited by: tesco samoa ]

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I was thinking to save time you could use the each map more then once, but with the common starting points in differnt places. In fact by only moving one or the other common starting point you could make several maps using the same basic map and noone would know where the other guy was even if they tried to figure it out by scanning all the maps in the editor. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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I would like to see some subfolder organization, it would make much easier to search a certain map. What about two specific starting positions for each player, does it work?

Tesco, I hope you're not using the map editor when you generate the maps. It has poor randomness, every time you start the program again you'll get the same maps in the same order.

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Turn 74: Guzguy surrenders.
Goz is certainly one though dude, fighting on to the Last man instead of folding early. A bit of luck and a few strategically placed minefields early and the Horde managed to secure the larger part of the map. From there on it was just a slow, slow grind to the end.

Then it’s us next Gecko. Any specific settings you would like ? I am game for most setups, but I prefer a no Ancient rule.

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Geo, when you get a chance, can you take a look at the 'Ratings Bash - Slynky vs Baron Grazic' game. Thanks.
The error message is :-
[ERROR] Execution of next turn failed: Bad master password (geoschmo)

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Hmmm... No Ancient + No Intel and you have an agreement.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Thanks Geo for fixing it the first time, but it has happened again.
Slynky - looks like the game will need a restart - dam. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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No, there is nothing wrong with the game. It's the server. Give me a minute to clear up the problem.

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Looks like the play by web server and program need to be upgraded.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">We are kind of in the middle of doing that. That's what's causing the problems. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

But it should be ok now. At least for the rest of the night.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Or the rest of the day for us here 'downunder'. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
Yep does seem ok now, Thanks.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Hmmm... No Ancient + No Intel and you have an agreement. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">What about a Tesco map and 3 planets ?

Does not really matter to me. Could you inform Geo of whatever http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Hmmm... No Ancient + No Intel and you have an agreement. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">What about a Tesco map and 3 planets ?

Does not really matter to me. Could you inform Geo of whatever http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Agreed.

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Turn 69 and I have surrendered to Slynky.
Even before Slynky's offensive, my ship Maintenance was 100% of my income, with nowhere to colonise. Ice Colonisation was in queue, but I was destroying my Research Centres to support my fleet.
We attempted an offense of our own only to loose our 100+ ship fleet. We now have plenty of money but no way I'll be able to stop Slynky now.
Congrats and good luck in the next game Slynky.

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Actually, I'm a bit astounded you did all you did! I had 141 ships when I saw your fleet of 106 heading my way. I had remote mining on asteroids of less than 200% (I really hate that!) for nearly a total of 40k that way. And could barely keep my fleet in the air (and build a few more things). You had 45 colonies at your biggest and I had 67 (73 at turn's end as my Ice colonys started landing). So, you had a heck of a fleet with an empire two thirds of mine.

We both know the map played a key role in this one. If I had to work with less than what I was given, I'm not sure what I would have done against you.

I was worried my 53 ships might get slaughtered against your 106 (a bit less than 100 warships). I had to hope my superior tech and full training would save me...that and first shot (where I managed to get 16 ships to start off the battle).

You played an excellent game, Baron.

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I said when we first met that I wanted to change Home Systems. If it was the other way around, then things would have been different. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
After that fleet was destroyed, I had a total of 3 ships and one of them was a Mine Layer. It was a Last ditch move that was going to prove the game one way or the other.
Give me a week or 2 break and then I'll challenge you for a rematch. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Lord chane vs Parabolize
date 2408.5
Lord Chane surrenders
GREAT GAME
He had way to many PPBs with non-existant refining. On the other hand I had way to low combat %s. The only thing that got me the win was taking the bottom of the map befor he did.

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Ratings Bash - Primitive vs Gecko
2404.8

Gecko surrenders to Primitive. Thanks for a good game Primitive. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Kudos to Gecko for having the guts to be different. His tactic and “no clone” setup were bold, but he was stiffed by the map. A different map and this game could easily have gone the other way.

Thanks for the lesson Gecko, you definitely gave me something to think about for the future. Maybe I’ll go for something similar in my next game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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Oups.
I just realised the semifinalists are:
BB: The KING !!!
Rex: Former King and experienced tournament winner.
Asmala: Current no 1 contender and generally regarded as the most feared player on PBW.
Primitive: Barbarian well known for his bad body odor.

Maybe it's time for some humble pie.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I think this tournie is proving what we all know... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
Now as for who will be number 1, now that will be worth waiting for. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ January 20, 2004, 21:09: Message edited by: Baron Grazic ]

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heh Gecko,

Appears we're up. Settings?

My ambit claim is Koth, no ancient, no intel, good planet - yours?

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geo, please, i need about 2.5mb in your mailbox :-)

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That works for me.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That works for me. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Cool, will upload emp tonight when I get home.
Good Luck!

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Ratings Bash - Asmala vs RexTorres 2406.0

I surrendered to RexTorres. Not much to say about this one, he was so good. Absolutely the best player I have ever played against. At least I learned something, you should not pick Scientists but Berzerkers. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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Ratings Bash - Tesco Samoa vs Gozguy
turn 21

Gozguy surrenders...

.... which in turn turns out to be a computer player

[ February 01, 2004, 13:24: Message edited by: tesco samoa ]

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tesco let's play it on stranger mod http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Time out
GOZGUY DID NOT SURRENDER IN this Game.
I am very upset
I don't know what race surrendered to you but it was not mine.
I was Emperor Lee of the Chin Empire and the Chin Empire was doing well.
There has been a mistake made. I understood the the AI's and neutrals had gotten into the game. And I understood we would play on. In fact I had a treaty with the U'katal. Some other AI empire must have surrendered to you. I hope we can fix this. I have saved all the turns.
Gozguy

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?

Ok, whatever the problem is I am sure we can fix it. Let me check it out.

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Ok, apparently I screwed up and left random AI and neutral players in this game.

The funny thing is neither of you apparenlty noticed.

The hilarious thing is Tesco not only didn't notice, he thought one of the AI was Goz and when they surendered he thought the game was over. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

What I think we need to do is restart with no AI. Unless you both want to continue the game as is with the AI. If both of you want to I'll allow it.

Geoschmo

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restart

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Sorry Gozra.

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It was all my mistake Tesco, I am the one that needs to appologize. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

By the way, can you guys refresh me on what the game settings were supposed to be.

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they were standard koth... the barren settings....

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And Geo... No need to appologize my friend.

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Turn 2405.1 and BBegemott surreneders to Primitive.

Primitive played a tough game and really deserved this victory. Congrats!

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Thanks to BB for a great game. He's one tough customer and stayed with it till the end.

10 normal planets, High tech cost, Tesco map with approx 40 systems. The Horde played it safe and was of the traditional Rock-none breed, while BBs Vengeful Dreamers had a bit bolder choice. Early expansion was fast and furious, and when the dust settled we had about half of the map each. My half was pretty rich and had a nice layout with easy communication between North and South, while BB had a long way to travel to get his ships from the South/Central systems to the Northern frontier.

The luck in the early action went all to the Horde as I managed to get a bunch of BBs ships with some nasty minefields and, more importantly, snag a few of his breathers. A double set of population and all 3 colonytechs done pretty early (easy with 10 planet starts), was enough to build a huge tech advantage. When the real fighting started and BB took some of my population, my ships was already practically invincible (compared to his). He gave me a run for my money though, attacking in numbers and almost broke through to my soft inner systems more than once.

Good game BB, thats makes it 1-1. Good luck in keeping the Crown until we can have a rematch http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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Rex:
Any prefered settings for the final ? I am game for almost everything http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

What about some sort of balanced map ? Either something custommade or using Geo's mod.

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*Gasps* The current King is defeated by Primitive? I should start worrying then... (I happen to play against the Hordes in a KOTH game) Now where is that white flag... That is the scheme. I shall make a truce with Primitive and then send in all my warships through the backdoor as soon as he is no longer wary. *Evil chuckle*