family vs. family, the rematch
 

Whoo-hoo!

Bwon, the Master of Fire and Ice, the God of Earth and Sky, wishes to let it be known that all humans, large and small, near and far, should begin practicing the rituals of meditation, ancestor worship, and Bwon-love. The more you have perfected these arts, the easier you will find life in the new millennium.

Also, worshipping Squall is equally acceptable, although one should still meditate daily.

Re: starts with C vs. ends with heim
 

Yeah, I did the same thing. Also, we received the Marignon turn file instead of the Mictlan file.

Re: starts with C vs. ends with heim
 

Doh! Did you look at it before you realized? Because that would give away the location of Marignon's home province.

Re: starts with C vs. ends with heim
 

That was indeed a pretty annoying screw-up (I send the correct file as soon as Panther told me about the problem, but...). More than the starting province, what concerns me is Panther knowing what sort of Pretender Marignon picked (if he looked at the turn that is).

Apologies for that blunder (I did check, but it looks like I confused Marignon and Mictlan).

Re: starts with C vs. ends with heim
 

Um... now we have the T'ien Ch'i turn file instead of the R'lyeh one... and the problem is I opened it up before I realized that Panther wasn't playing T'ien Ch'i this game...

Re: starts with C vs. ends with heim
 

Too bad! :-/

Maybe we could proceed by allowing everyone to look at everyone else's turn 1 .trn file.

That, or we all have to go back to the drawing board and invent complete new gods. Which is kind of fun ...

:-)

Re: starts with C vs. ends with heim
 

Anyway, allowing everyone to see everyone else's first .trn file seems fair to me, unless some of us had a design that relied more upon the element of surprise than other people's designs.

Whatever you guys want is fine with me.

Re: starts with C vs. ends with heim
 

I understand, at least. I made the mistake of copying the second zip file instead of creating it anew, so the contents of the zip file were copied as well. I am not sure why, but putting the new files in it doesn't appear to have worked.

Please let me know what you would like to do, and how many times I should be flailed to make up for that blunder.

Re: starts with C vs. ends with heim
 

I did not open anything as yet (and still have not). So I have no idea of anybody's pretenders. I don't much care what we do, though I think re-randomizing the start locations would be a good idea if anybody saw any starting position.

Heck, I am still trying to figure out how to get the 2.01 instead of the 2.0 pretender model. It was not even on Zen's site...

Edit - I found the proper mod and now installed it. In an interesting twist of events, I now have initial turn files for 3 races, none of which is mine! I did not open anything and am awaiting instructions on what we want to do. I am fixing to meet Tauren for lunch and will ask if he viewed anything for TC when he accidently opened the wrong player.

Re: starts with C vs. ends with heim
 

Well, I wasn't paying much attention. All I remember was that you had some kind of large humanoid god, like a titan or son of the sun or something, but I didnt actually look at him. I did, however, pay attention to the starting spot. So maybe we could just re-randomize the start locations, and I could tell you my God's chasis, and we can call it good.

Re: starts with C vs. ends with heim
 

Sounds good to me!

Re: starts with C vs. ends with heim
 

Ok... I have a Golden Naga. The one that starts with fire.

Re: starts with C vs. ends with heim
 

I have restarted the game, and hope everything will be fine this time. Third time is the charm! (Well, if you count my attempt at getting the proper files to Panther and Tauren, we are at the third try)

Re: starts with C vs. ends with heim
 

I deleted all my old files and started over. The new turns are working just fine, so everything is in order!

Good luck to all.

And Calamari is NOT on the menu.

Re: starts with C vs. ends with heim
 

Well, I got the bug where I did not get all my positive scales in my capitol...

I sure thought they were supposed to fix this at some point.

I would like for another restart because this will really be hurting my income.

Re: starts with C vs. ends with heim
 

Confirmed. I will recreate game files, hoping the scales will work fine this time (I cannot check them for sure though, as I do not know the scales you picked for your Pretenders).

Re: starts with C vs. ends with heim
 

Oh, is that a bug? I thought that you were *supposed* to start with semirandom scales in your capitol, and then they change over time because of your dominion.

Not complaining though, I'm quite happy that we restarted for, uh, for reasons that I'd rather not say. >:-)

Re: starts with C vs. ends with heim
 

Scales are supposed to start at their fixed value; at least, it is the standard behaviour of scales. But once in a while, scales do not start at their "proper" value, for no apparent reason.

It doesn't seem to happen too often, so I guess that's why this particular behaviour is labelled "bug", while scales starting at the selected value is a "feature". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Re: starts with C vs. ends with heim
 

The reason it annoys people so much, and is consequentially labeled a bug, is that most of the time it is the *good* scales that you dont get, so you end up with a lot less income than you would otherwise.

Re: starts with C vs. ends with heim
 

So I guess this game is currently stalled on the "disappearing scales bug".

I guess I'll just meditate upon my strategy.

Re: starts with C vs. ends with heim
 

When I get some free time tomorrow, I will try out some other R'lyeh pretenders and see if I can get one without the scale bug. If not, then I will probably change nations.

Re: starts with C vs. ends with heim
 

In my test universes R'lyeh often climbs in the "provinces" charts even without hiring mercenaries. It seems to capture its first province by attacking on turn 2 or turn 3 sometimes! So I think there must be some combination of R'lyeh national troops that is effective.

Regards,

Bwon the Goddess of Balance and Perfection

Re: starts with C vs. ends with heim
 

P.S. I know that the scale bug is a mostly separate issue from the Triton-bait issue. Just chatting.

--Bwon

Re: starts with C vs. ends with heim
 

Oh, I know! Redesign your nation and take all bad scales, spending the points on other things. Then if you hit the bug which turns off your scales you'll be happy about it!

--B

Re: starts with C vs. ends with heim
 

Yeah, except the bad scales always seem to work. It is the good ones that are lost.

Anyway, I redesigned my pretender and checked it out. It seemed to be working fine. Alneyan cheched it also and did not see the bug on his computer. It therefore appears to be a bugged Pretender. So - don't use the Void Lurker!

The game has begun once again.

Re: family vs family, the rematch
 

ARGH. "Stale turn. Your 2h file was from another saved game. You have not given any new orders this turn.".

Can we please restart one last time?

Re: family vs family, the rematch
 

Odd. Very odd. Truly odd. Not sure why Dominions didn't use your file. No need to restart though, I will just try to see what went wrong, and/or you will submit another turn file for turn 1.

Re: family vs family, the rematch
 

ARRGH!!! The new turn 2 is bugged also!!!

I have never seen a game so hard to get going.

Re: family vs family, the rematch
 

In the beginning, there was chaos.

Re: family vs family, the rematch
 

So, in the newnewnewnewnewnewnew game that Alneyan sent, it appeared to me that we were using a different map. A wrap-around map with almost no water provinces.

Is it just me?

Re: family vs family, the rematch
 

A new Turn 1 on Desert Eye has come your way yet again. I have plenty of nice water provinces now!

Who is casting curse on us????

Re: family vs family, the rematch
 

Still no news of Marignon (not quite, but no turn file at any rate). Zooko, could you please either play for Marignon as well, or forward instructions to me? Thanks.

Re: family vs family, the rematch
 

Sorry, I didn't see this request til just now, because I didn't check the BBS. But arc is playing again now. Anyway, if you want me to do this, or anything else urgent, e-mail me instead of posting here.

--Z

Re: family vs family, the rematch
 

My e-mail is out of commission for unknown reason. Alternately, e-mail zooko@allmydata.com, or send me a priv msg on this BBS.

Re: family vs family, the rematch
 

Touche'! You gave my Pretender a Chest Wound to match the one I gave your Pretender. >:-}

Re: family vs family, the rematch
 

Ouch! That is truly horrible that Bogus the Troll Raider appeared and slew your Pretender.

In honor of her unfair demise I will attempt to conquer your entire nation as quickly as possible.

Sincerely,

Bwon the Lucky One

P.S. I had nothing to do with Bogus's appearance. Honest!

Re: family vs family, the rematch
 

Yowsers! Is seems that it is time for Plan B now, if only I could remember what that was...

Re: family vs family, the rematch
 

Are you playing to Tauren at the moment?

Re: family vs family, the rematch
 

No, I am not. But Tauren will be playing for me when I leave for France on June 17. If you guys are not dead when I return home on June 28, then I will start up playing again.

DAMN THAT HOBURG MILITIA
 

You know it's a good war when an important battle comes down to a ONE on ONE TOE to TOE battle between a one-eyed Hoburg crossbowman and a Hoburg militia wielding a stick.

Of course, a stray arrow whistling across the battlefield and into my Celestial Master's throat didn't help.

But if it hadn't been for that damned Hoburg militia things would have been different, let me tell you!

By the great nippless breasts of the mother goddess, you killed my one-eyed Hoburg crossbowman! This war will not end until all of your Hoburgs are dead!

Re: DAMN THAT HOBURG MILITIA
 

Heh, that was quite amusing. A very well-spent 6 gold...

travels
 

Arc is on his way to my house. Panther is in France. We still haven't decided how to do hosting while Alneyan is away.

I guess the default behavior is that I do the hosting. I can do it all via the command-line so that I won't need to actually run the app where I might accidentally see enemy secrets.

Re: travels
 

Didn't I tell you about the hosting? Erh... I guess I didn't. PashaDawg has been enlisted to host the game while I am away.

Re: travels
 

Cool! Thanks PashaDawg!

Re: travels
 

No prob. Just mail me chocolate.

Re: travels
 

What's your address?

Re: travels
 

So, where are we at with this game? T'ien Ch'i and Marignon moves are in to PashaDawg.

Re: travels
 

I have the turns, but I need to set things up on my computer. However, I am extremely busy today preparing for a friend's wedding.

I will try to get the next turn files to you all by tonight.

Re: travels
 

Thanks for the explanation. Happy wedding!

public service announcement
 

Hee hee. This war is FUN. I love the role of heroic defender valiantly and cleverly fighting against invaders.

You guys could always save yourselves a lot of trouble by retreating back to our pre-Year-Two borders and suing for peace.

--Bwon the Lucky